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Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« on: February 10, 2012, 03:20:28 PM »
If you haven't heard of this story yet i'll go ahead and post a link.
 
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/u-s-marines-posed-with-flag-resembling-nazi-ss-symbol-in-afghanistan/
 
A group of US Marine Recon Scout/Snipers are in the crosshairs so to speak for posing in front of a flag they designed.  The flag was claimed to have to S letters in the shape of lightning bolts for the words scout/sniper.
 
What our fine soldiers "supposedly" didn't realize was that this was the exact signature of Nazi SS troops during WWII.  The S rune stands side by side on a blue backdrop and looks identical to the symbols used by SS troops of Nazi Germany.
 
I for one do not think this was a simple mistake on the part of our Marines.  I fully think it was intentional.  They should be dishonorably discharged and have their butts kicked out the door by a line of disgraced WW2 veterens on their way out.
 
This literally outrages me that this happened.  US marines proudly posing in front of a well known Nazi symbol.
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 06:52:26 PM »
I think it is cool !  ;D ;D
 
BTW it is not an "S" but  two lightning bolts.
I presume you are equally outraged that a certain group of American Tankers have pictures of Erwin Rommel in their vehicles and von Braun helped you to get into Space.
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2012, 04:38:17 AM »
I think it is cool !  ;D ;D 
Think it's cool, do you? I'd be curious to know why
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I presume you are equally outraged that a certain group of American Tankers have pictures of Erwin Rommel in their vehicles and von Braun helped you to get into Space.
Can't speak for OP, but I will speak for me. There's a substantial diff between Erwin Rommel and the SS, both historically and morally. On von Braun and operation Paperclip... why should anyone be bothered by that? He and his crew had info/technique we wanted. I don't think we needed anything from the SS, or wanted anything from that group of immoral killers... though some peeps here in this forum would probably welcome SS methods, so long as they were only applied to people they hate (gays, political liberals, Muslim Americans, Mexicans, etc etc etc)

On thread title: I don't think this dishonors WW2 vets. I'd like to think that the jarheads in the photos just weren't too bright, and had no sense of history. Maybe they really thought 'SS' meant scout sniper, whatever... dimbulbs. On the other hand... if they knew what that flag represents, and so thought it added to their badass cred... they need to be jacked up on charges and booted from the service.
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2012, 12:20:12 PM »
a couple of y'all remind me of the hippies who spit on returning nam veterans.shameful.....
That old bit about 'spitting on returning Vietnam Vets' is mostly hogwash and lies, though it happened a couple time. I'd talk about that, and set the record straight, but that'll just upset people who value their narrative more than the objective truth.


lot of that going on around here...
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2012, 12:58:59 PM »
I think it is cool !  ;D ;D 
Think it's cool, do you? I'd be curious to know why
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. I don't think we needed anything from the SS, or wanted anything from that group of immoral killers...

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB146/  Put this in your pipe and smoke it bro!  :o
 
You should also note that alot of our medical knowledge about freezing and other adverse environmental conditions comes directly from nazi experiments. Say what?/! yep it's true! Not saying heil hitler or anything. just keeping ya informed.

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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2012, 02:45:34 PM »
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB146/  Put this in your pipe and smoke it bro! :o
 
You should also note that alot of our medical knowledge about freezing and other adverse environmental conditions comes directly from nazi experiments. Say what?/! yep it's true! Not saying heil hitler or anything. just keeping ya informed.
I'm pretty well informed on that period... much more so, apparently, than the jarhead crew in the photo.
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 05:47:11 PM »
Much ado about nothing said as the folks pissing on the dead muzlims. They are just a bunch of barely 20s guys we taught to kill and now we get upset with them for doing what they were taught to do.

Sorry I just can't get too concerned about it. We ask too much of them then want to crucify them for a minor discrection. Maybe we should just take their guns away and give them paintball guns instead so folks upset by them killing folks who are trying to kill them won't have to shed tears for the bad guys.

No I do NOT believe our soldiers should be there but that is not their fault. Our government who hates them more than they do our real enemies sent them there and told them to kill. So they are there doing it, get out of their way and let them do their job.


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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2012, 06:13:07 PM »
Much ado about nothing said as the folks pissing on the dead muzlims. They are just a bunch of barely 20s guys we taught to kill and now we get upset with them for doing what they were taught to do.

Sorry I just can't get too concerned about it. We ask too much of them then want to crucify them for a minor discrection. Maybe we should just take their guns away and give them paintball guns instead so folks upset by them killing folks who are trying to kill them won't have to shed tears for the bad guys.

No I do NOT believe our soldiers should be there but that is not their fault. Our government who hates them more than they do our real enemies sent them there and told them to kill. So they are there doing it, get out of their way and let them do their job.
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2012, 01:59:30 AM »
Much ado about nothing said as the folks pissing on the dead muzlims. They are just a bunch of barely 20s guys we taught to kill and now we get upset with them for doing what they were taught to do.

Sorry I just can't get too concerned about it. We ask too much of them then want to crucify them for a minor discrection. Maybe we should just take their guns away and give them paintball guns instead so folks upset by them killing folks who are trying to kill them won't have to shed tears for the bad guys.

No I do NOT believe our soldiers should be there but that is not their fault. Our government who hates them more than they do our real enemies sent them there and told them to kill. So they are there doing it, get out of their way and let them do their job.

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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2012, 05:01:22 AM »
 The use of the SS symbol is a disgrace, that’s why we have NCOs and officers, to provide leadership and keep 18 year old privates from doing stupid things that discredit the Marines and the military in general.

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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2012, 05:17:21 AM »
The use of the SS symbol is a disgrace, that’s why we have NCOs and officers, to provide leadership and keep 18 year old privates from doing stupid things that discredit the Marines and the military in general.

You're being silly......
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2012, 06:26:49 AM »
Much ado about nothing

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folks pissing on the dead muzlims.

Good point. I wonder if anybody would be upset by of a picture of them pissing on that flag.  ::) Probably not. After all it symbolises our (former) enemy, people who kill(ed) indiscriminately as it serves (served) their perpose...  :-\ oh wait...  ???
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2012, 10:13:11 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image

While I do not consider Wiki to be a very authoritative source, the book they quote here seems to support BOTH sides..........no media documentation, but at the same time there appear to be fairly credulous accounts by vets.

I rarely cut the media any slack.....the lack of documentation could well be the result of media bias at the time.......but I'm willing to give the benefit of a doubt to any man who put his life on the line for his country.

And while I did not personally see any spitting incidents, I did see/hear some mild hostility towards vets who came home from Nam.
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2012, 10:42:44 AM »
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BBF...wasn't the SS accused of being the outfit primarily responsible for the holocaust.?.... ;)  Wasn't the full SS symbol lightening bolts and a skull?  Kind of a disconnect here if you consider all the information about GWOT, allys, world view,,,,,, you think? BTW, do you remember what Franco said about Hitler...?
 
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"Cool" wasn't quite the right word. "Hilarious" would have been better.

As you may know, the SS had two parts. The political side and the elite military side that operated outside the Wehrmacht Chain of Command. The Bone and Skull (Totenkopf) was a specific units emblem if I recall. The Double Lightning was Service wide.
 
Re: Franco, No I do not. I presume it was complimentary, after all Franco had the direct support of the Luftwaffe which helped to keep Spain out of Moscow's grasp.
BTW. The Commies, had use of Martin Bombers...........Interesting.
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2012, 10:49:41 AM »
Don't quite know about this one. They are killing and shedding blood for the elite. Yes the elite are jews. They fill the cabinets of all governments and pull the strings for war and peace as determined by their take in billions. If you think what they do is for the American people you have major history lesson problems.
The US military, as nothing more than mercenaries, let them use what ever flag they want.
Now I know.

You are 100% correct. The Corps of course must show outrage to keep PC high. After all what is the world coming to when the guys that help the Zionist case now display a symbol that was in opposition to them in the past.
 
I presume the Marines considered the SS as an elite fighting force much as they consider themselves one and don't give as much as a fraction of a Rats Curly Hair about PC.
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2012, 11:18:59 AM »
I presume the Marines considered the SS as an elite fighting force much as they consider themselves one and don't give as much as a fraction of a Rats Curly Hair about PC.
I really hope it was just a simple case of dimbulb jarheads, and not that they considered the Schutzstaffel (waffen or otherwise) to be 'an elite fighting force' they want to be associated with, by any means. Remember... those were the folks that murdered civilians, and actively took part in the Holocaust while supporting Einsatzgruppen on the Eastern Front. Our Marines should look to better role models & mascots.

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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2012, 04:43:08 PM »
Dont quite know about this one. They are killing and shedding blood for the elite. Yes the elite are jews. They fill the cabinets of all governments and pull the strings for war and peace as determined by their take in billions. If you think what they do is for the American people you have major history lesson problems.
The US military, as nothing more than mercenaries, let them use what ever flag they want.
Now I know.

This is something I would expect to find on a Klan web site.  It brings discredit to the author, the moderators, the owner of the forum and gun owners in general since we all get tarred with the same brush over uncalled statements like this posted on a gun site.


Nuke41, do you frequent klan web sites? When the truth discredits the situation does it discredit..... all?
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2012, 05:10:38 PM »
Yellowtail3, there was a situation with the peace movement during this time that required the company I was in to ask that we not thumb (acquire a ride) and especially not thumb in uniform. This was in the early 70"s
Before they asked this I had already reached the conclusion it was not safe. I was stationed at Ft Bragg and was from western NC. A short thumb home on the weekends. Just after dark on one of those lonely back roads I would sometimes find myself on, a car load of jackasses started the "latest news report yell" and every other thing they could say as well as throw stuff from the car in a few passes. The car was full of male and female about my age as best I could tell. They would pull up the road about 100 feet or so and I could tell they were trying to either get up the nerve to get out or figure out their next move.
I got tired of it and just rushed the car and they took off. This went on a few times until I started looking in the weeds for a big rock to bust the back window out and they left for good.
I did not thumb in uniform anymore after that. I am not saying this happened to everyone but very few that I knew thumbed in uniform. As a matter of fact I cant think of a one that would thumb in uniform.

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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2012, 07:43:56 PM »
Yellowtail - I get the impression that you have a real "axe to grind" with the Marine Corps.  You seem to have no problem denigrating Marines and discounting incidents that occurred before you were in the service; however you are absolutely convinced of the atrocities of a prior wars you could not possible know about except through the "History Channel".  Whether you believe one who was there or not is not important, but it appears to be a  "side" show for your disdain for a service of whom you obviously like to "trash". I was one of those veterans who came back from Vietnam and saw more than my share of what we called "hippies" who displayed there hatred of every military branch and everything having to do with the "establishment" when they could score "political points" or get noticed. The ones in California were particularly vocal and active at airports where returning soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines returned from overseas. Not all of the hippie groups were as large as some of the "troop's" units, and when out numbered only "chanted" and taunted units; and not on every occasion. Most units were disciplined enough to not rise to the "bait". When they did, the troop always ended up in jail and an Officer or SNCO would be dispatched to bail them out. How many?  I only know of a few incidents that escalated to "blows" that was quickly stopped by "comrades" (non Communist) or airport security. In the early 1970's we were all given "Human Relations" training required by the "Carter" administration and told that incidents with civilians would not be tolerated by our Generals. Of course like most of Carter's "social experimentation" programs, it only drove more people out of the service rather than solve any problems (my observation based on being there, no real proof for you to research on Wikipedia).  During this same time period most branches of the service were cut in half, as were their inventories by this same administration.
    A change in travel orders came about during the early '70's when one our Corporal's was assaulted at L.A. airport and the "agitator" tore his campaign "ribbons" from his uniform (no spitting involved that I knew of); he was unable to keep his cool. Soon after that incident, our Commanding General issued an order to our west coast unit that Enlisted troops, when traveling on civilian air out of civilian airports, could travel in civilian clothes.
    There were no "home coming" parades for Vietnam veterans,  celebrations, or thank you's by our fellow Americans. We came to expect the same level of disrespect you show for your fellow servicemen, many of whom made the ultimate sacrifice, so you can give your rant how smart you are for having been born in a more enlightened era of the internet. Just how well is all that "political correctness" working for our service members now? (I couldn't put up with the P.C. garbage of today, I'm sure.)
   You take the "High Road" when it comes to understanding the "plight" of "gays", Jews, Muslims and any other ethnic groups lumping all Marines as being Jarheads, Mercenaries, and killers (possibly of women and children). My California neighbor in Orange County would agree with you; she had her kid ask me just how many people I had killed in the war, one Sunday afternoon. Her parents avoided me and my family like the "plague".  How about giving your fellow service member the same consideration you do any other minority and that I try to practice? The "broad brush" treatment does not become an "intellectual" of your standing.
   You, in your indignation, appear to accuse others of being racist, while you are the biggest racist of all against a group that posted a picture on the internet that you have deemed vile because of the possible symbolism might be offensive! There is far more offensive photos than what or may not be an SS flag.  I suspect your "feigned outrage" indicates you are either "naive", a "fraud" or both. An outrageous photos to me include someone burning the American flag, beheading an American, or an American who has sold secret information to the enemy, portrayed as a "patriot". And, you extend that Incredulous rage to World War II "vets" of whom you know little or nothing about, but are brave enough to speak for them without their permission. It makes me suspicious of your service record and motives for writing posts that purposely seek to cause the righteous indignation of a "genteel society" who sees more homicides in Chicago and D.C. than in Afghanistan per year.   If you did serve in combat, lets hear of your heroic feats of courage that qualifies you to belittle others who are presently there.  I'm sure mine and any other Vet on this forum "pales" in comparison to your service record and who you claim to represent. However, we are probably less incensed by photographs than someone as "sensitive" as yourself.
    The Vietnam war cost us 58,000+ lives and many more wounded.  That's more than 5,000 per year compared to just over 6,000 in the Iraq and Afghanistan. Look up the statistics and see what service units payed the price.  You owe Marines and all Vietnam "Vets" an apology for your "hate speech" and should take serious look at who's opinion you represent. If your branch of the service has a better war record lets hear from some of those members defending your comments and how proud they are that you represent them in this matter. I do know some military history and every service branch has had their "high" and "low water mark" when it comes to conduct, but every service member who signs on the line signs a "blank check" for his life. Sometimes that check is cashed!  I'm proud of my service branch, are you of yours? I would no more consider the attacking the honor of any branch and don't appreciate yours when it is "heaped upon"  mine.

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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2012, 10:57:12 PM »
 
 
  I have the utmost respect for what the military is doing and has done in the past. I do not agree with everything that happens there but the basic form, for the most , I stand up for.
   Young men, even well  trained, sometimes do stupid/foolish stuff. Have you ever done anything stupid/foolish?
    Sometimes these things are serious, sometimes VERY SERIOUS,
    It comes with the territory,,,,,YOUTH, The maturity is not there yet!
    Often people die or carry the effect of the action for life, maybe not their's but someone else has to bear the effect/pain/loss ect. of a wrongful act. Sometimes deliberate, sometimes, not.
 
  How many of us have been in a extreme situation where someone is trying to kill you, fighting for your life, shots and explosions all around ect.     I have not, I have no idea of what kind of terror it might be, but I am sure it's not pleasant. It must cause people to go into a survival mode,,,, do whatever you have to do. I would think that after a while this would cause people to respond strangely,, by our standards. some people go "around the bend" and NEVER come back.  sad but true. We see it quite often with our precious Vets.
Sometimes it may take years to readjust to civilian life.
  The seasoned troops sometimes, as well , do the wrong thing,,,by our standards,,. IT'S called War. Why do we fight war's?
   No matter what other answer you can come up with, the BOTTOM LINE should be to  WIN!
   Our military men are not trying to be Boy Scouts but WARRIORS and warriors are trained to kill the enemy stop the enemies ability to properly defend themselves.  Harsh, but true. Facts of war is,, people die. Military and civilian, young and old, innocent and guilty,, people die!
  In such a horrific situation, how can we expect the troops to do everything according to civilized fashion, we place them in uncivilized places where the enemy and the allies look the same and expect them to never make a mistake, even a non-lifethreatning situation comes up, they handle it wrong and the libs. want blood,,, when the people/protestors  on the streets here in America do almost anything they desire and nothing is done to them. I have always thought that Flag desecration was a crime, if not it ought to be. I don't know about now but it used to be BAD news for people doing it.Now  people burn it cut it up, trample it beneith their feet, and fly another countries flag above it and Old Glory is flown upside down,,,,  some not even US citizens, Right here in the USA,,,,Nothing happens, that I have seen anyway.  I don't know why I am surprized,, after all we had a 2 term president that apparently dodged the draft, and now have one who appears to have a great disrespect for it, or maybe no respect at all.
  I have the attitude/idea,,,,,,,IF ANYONE HATES THE USA SO MUCH,,,, WHY NOT GO SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE IT IS MORE TO YOUR LIKING,, OTHERWISE SHUT-UP ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU HATE THE    GOOD OLD USA!!!! Sure we have problems, lets talk about them and try to fix them. Bashing is nonproductive it relieves the one who is bashing but doen nothing for the problem. There is an old saying "the squeeky wheel gets the grease",  I have a saying too,," the squeeky wheel gets changed/replaced first".
    Sometimes Our Boys screw-up, when they do,  punish them but let's not be so fast to crucify them over something like this. I know it has reprocussions in the world, probably, but the fact is,,,, Most of them hate us anyway, if not for this then they'll find something else, let's not hate our boys, and we should not let the OTHER Countries  or news media tell us what to do with our troops. Some things are done ignorantly,,or differentely than what we think they should be but,,,,,, treason,,, I think NOT! Poor choice,,, probably. Investigation should be ordered and if guilty then appropiate action should be taken, no matter what.
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2012, 01:20:46 AM »
Yellowtail - I get the impression that you have a real "axe to grind" with the Marine Corps.  You seem to have no problem denigrating Marines...
Well, I admit to having been a sailor... but have I denigrated Marines? How is discussing the photo of our genius jarheads & their 'scout sniper' flag 'denigrating'? They took the picture, not me.
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however you are absolutely convinced of the atrocities of a prior wars you could not possible know about except through the "History Channel".
I rarely see the History Channel, but I do have a degree in history and a substantial library.
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I was one of those veterans who came back from Vietnam and saw more than my share of what we called "hippies" who displayed there hatred of every military branch and everything having to do with the "establishment" when they could score "political points" or get noticed. The ones in California were particularly vocal and active at airports where returning soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines returned from overseas. Not all of the hippie groups were as large as some of the "troop's" units, and when out numbered only "chanted" and taunted units; and not on every occasion. Most units were disciplined enough to not rise to the "bait". When they did, the troop always ended up in jail and an Officer or SNCO would be dispatched to bail them out.
I lived in California during that time. Did you witness any spitting?
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Of course like most of Carter's "social experimentation" programs, it only drove more people out of the service rather than solve any problems (my observation based on being there, no real proof for you to research on Wikipedia).
I, too, was in the service during the Carter years.
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We came to expect the same level of disrespect you show for your fellow servicemen, many of whom made the ultimate sacrifice, so you can give your rant how smart you are for having been born in a more enlightened era of the internet.
Now you're just blabbering; I was born during the Eisenhower administration.
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You take the "High Road" when it comes to understanding the "plight" of "gays", Jews, Muslims and any other ethnic groups lumping all Marines as being Jarheads, Mercenaries, and killers (possibly of women and children).
We should all take the High Road, but your post is non-sense. I don't think I ever called (or 'lumped') Marines as mercenaries - did I? I more properly referred to them as jarheads.
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You, in your indignation, appear to accuse others of being racist, while you are the biggest racist of all against a group that posted a picture on the internet that you have deemed vile because of the possible symbolism might be offensive!
What - me, a racist for posting a photo that A MARINE TOOK?!? Have you been drinking this morning? So far as vile goes... I think you're confused, so let me help you understand: if our jarheads knew what the symbols of the flag indicated to most educated people, they were wrong to do that; don't associate any unit of our USMC with the Schutzstaffel. On the other hand... if they were just naive, not very well informed, and really were suckered into thinking that was a Scout Sniper flag... well, then all we need is an eye-roll and a little remedial edumacation. What do you think?
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There is far more offensive photos than what or may not be an SS flag.  I suspect your "feigned outrage" indicates you are either "naive", a "fraud" or both.
How can I tell whether I'm a fraud or not? Side note... I'm not particularly outraged about this. 
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And, you extend that Incredulous rage to World War II "vets" of whom you know little or nothing about, but are brave enough to speak for them without their permission.
I believe you are confused, jager - this isn't my thread. Go back and actually read my posts; you'll see where I stated that I didn't think the SS flag brouhaha had any bearing on WW2 vets. So, get a grip on yerself.
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You owe Marines and all Vietnam "Vets" an apology for your "hate speech" ...
Tell you what, jager - you point out my 'hate speech' - be specific, use only what I wrote and not what you imagine I wrote - and I'll consider an apology, once you're sober.
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2012, 02:31:16 AM »
If you haven't heard of this story yet i'll go ahead and post a link.
 
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/u-s-marines-posed-with-flag-resembling-nazi-ss-symbol-in-afghanistan/
 
A group of US Marine Recon Scout/Snipers are in the crosshairs so to speak for posing in front of a flag they designed.  The flag was claimed to have to S letters in the shape of lightning bolts for the words scout/sniper.
 
What our fine soldiers "supposedly" didn't realize was that this was the exact signature of Nazi SS troops during WWII.  The S rune stands side by side on a blue backdrop and looks identical to the symbols used by SS troops of Nazi Germany.
 
I for one do not think this was a simple mistake on the part of our Marines.  I fully think it was intentional.  They should be dishonorably discharged and have their butts kicked out the door by a line of disgraced WW2 veterens on their way out.
 
This literally outrages me that this happened.  US marines proudly posing in front of a well known Nazi symbol.

The Maltese cross is used by Germany and was used by Hitler's regime, it's currently used by ALL fire departments in the United States, it's used by the catholic religion so your point is ?
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2012, 02:34:31 AM »
smokehouserex, that was a really good post.
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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2012, 02:36:37 AM »
from flash

The Maltese cross is used by Germany and was used by Hitler's regime, it's currently used by ALL fire departments in the United States, it's used by the catholic religion so your point is ?

good post
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Re: Dishonoring WWII Veterens...
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2012, 03:08:05 AM »
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The Maltese cross is used by Germany and was used by Hitler's regime, it's currently used by ALL fire departments in the United States, it's used by the catholic religion so your point is ?

http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/history/maltese_cross.shtml
 
The Maltese Cross was a symbol of courage and honor for centureis before Hilter got a hold of it. 
 
The Armanen runes, or Armanen 'Futharkh' as Guido Von List referred to them, are a row of 18 runes that are closely based in shape (though not necessarily name, let alone interpretation) on the Younger Futhark. They were "revealed to" the Austrian occult mysticist and Germanic revivalist Guido Von List in 1902, and subsequently published by him.  The Sig Rune is the symbol shown behind the Marines in the photo.
 
So on one hand we have a symbol used for centuries to show valor and courageous acts by many different races.
 
On the other hand we have a symbol of the occult that was used by very evil people.
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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2012, 03:28:34 AM »
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The Maltese cross is used by Germany and was used by Hitler's regime, it's currently used by ALL fire departments in the United States, it's used by the catholic religion so your point is ?

http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/history/maltese_cross.shtml
 
The Maltese Cross was a symbol of courage and honor for centureis before Hilter got a hold of it. 
 
The Armanen runes, or Armanen 'Futharkh' as Guido Von List referred to them, are a row of 18 runes that are closely based in shape (though not necessarily name, let alone interpretation) on the Younger Futhark. They were "revealed to" the Austrian occult mysticist and Germanic revivalist Guido Von List in 1902, and subsequently published by him.  The Sig Rune is the symbol shown behind the Marines in the photo.
 
So on one hand we have a symbol used for centuries to show valor and courageous acts by many different races.
 
On the other hand we have a symbol of the occult that was used by very evil people.

But the Maltese cross dates back to Napoleon. Do we chastise our fire departments for using it? The swastica is a Chinese symbol and used in Buddhism. Do we impose econimic sanctions against India because of it? I won't even go into trading with China over it.  ::)
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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2012, 03:48:01 AM »
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But the Maltese cross dates back to Napoleon. Do we chastise our fire departments for using it? The swastica is a Chinese symbol and used in Buddhism. Do we impose econimic sanctions against India because of it? I won't even go into trading with China over it.  ::)
Have you ever heard of the term, "Pissing in the wind"?

The Maltese cross dates back well before Napoleon.  I posted a link to it, but obviously you don't really care to read it or learn.  You would rather appear ignorant and criticize me without really knowing the facts even after I take the trouble of posting a link to the history of it.
 
Also name me another organization that benefited humanity which used the Sig runes PRIOR to the SS of Nazi Germany...
 
I could really care less what other countries do with whatever symbols they use.  But we as American's have always held ourselves to a higher standard than the rest of the world as far as stuff like this is concerned.  Stuff happens in war.  I get that.  But when ignorance like this is left unreprimanded it bothers me.  Ignorance isn't an excuse.
 
FWIW - I read the Marines in the photo and their leaders were repremanded because of this.  I would have rather they issued a public apology to all WW2 Veterens who fought against the SS but in the end it's been taken care of.
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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2012, 04:01:19 AM »
Have you ever heard of the term, "Pissing in the wind"?
I have; it well describes the act of arguing with ideologues who have their mind made up, and who dodge the truth when it is presented them if it conflicts with their ideology, prejudices, and general mule-headedness.
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« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2012, 04:18:30 AM »
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But the Maltese cross dates back to Napoleon. Do we chastise our fire departments for using it? The swastica is a Chinese symbol and used in Buddhism. Do we impose econimic sanctions against India because of it? I won't even go into trading with China over it.  ::)
Have you ever heard of the term, "Pissing in the wind"?

The Maltese cross dates back well before Napoleon.  I posted a link to it, but obviously you don't really care to read it or learn.  You would rather appear ignorant and criticize me without really knowing the facts even after I take the trouble of posting a link to the history of it.
 
Also name me another organization that benefited humanity which used the Sig runes PRIOR to the SS of Nazi Germany...
 
I could really care less what other countries do with whatever symbols they use.  But we as American's have always held ourselves to a higher standard than the rest of the world as far as stuff like this is concerned.  Stuff happens in war.  I get that.  But when ignorance like this is left unreprimanded it bothers me.  Ignorance isn't an excuse.
 
FWIW - I read the Marines in the photo and their leaders were repremanded because of this.  I would have rather they issued a public apology to all WW2 Veterens who fought against the SS but in the end it's been taken care of.

You know, that photo was taken back in 2010 and if not for some worm digging it up, it would have had absolutely no significance. The soldiers that are risking their life, in another country that you supposedly could care less about, can handle their affairs as they see fit. I hold them in very high regard and if I were there, I'd be proud to be standing next to them in that photo. The Taliban are cowardly pigs who deserve nothing less than the worst this world has ever had to offer. Now you know how I really feel.
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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2012, 04:32:51 AM »
You know, that photo was taken back in 2010 and if not for some worm digging it up
You don't mean ME, do you? I did find that picture, after all.
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...it would have had absolutely no significance.
Well, it demonstrates that some of our guys have poor judgement, or... just aren't very well informed.
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The soldiers that are risking their life, in another country that you supposedly could care less about, can handle their affairs as they see fit.
No, they can handle their affairs in ways that brings credit to the USMC and reflects well upon the United States of America, and they can follow orders... or they can get the hell out of the service.
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The Taliban are cowardly pigs who deserve nothing less than the worst this world has ever had to offer.
Yeah? You should talk to some of the guys who've actually fought them. Cowardly pigs? How so?
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