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Is unemployment this bad everywhere?
« on: February 10, 2012, 04:37:27 PM »
We had a new Cracker Barrel move into our town with 120 jobs and they had over 3,000 applications for the $8.50/hr positions.   There are many in our church that are on umemployment or have graduated and moved back in with parents because they couldn't find a job.  They tell me that they fill out applications and go on interviews but nobody really has a job to fill.  My wife had decided to return to work, but after over a year of no luck, she has given up. It seems the places that wanted her are too much of a commute for the pay.  Wages for new hires are being low balled big time.  Is it really this bad everywhere?  It just seems almost impossible for people to find work in my area. I've talked to many people and get almost the same story.  I drove by the unemployment offce after President's Day last month and they were parking beside the road.  The parking lot was full.  How can the media report that the economy is coming back and unemployment is falling?  I just don't see it in the real world.
 

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Re: Is unemployment this bad everywhere?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 05:20:32 PM »
3030MAN. The real rate is  at least dbl what the govt says it is, yes, it's bad everywhere. Obamas figures do NOT include the millions whose unemployment has run out and have finally given up looking for work. Those are conveniently overlooked to make obummer look good. Couldn't prove it but I'd guess that the unemployment is at least 16- 20 %. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Is unemployment this bad everywhere?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 06:21:03 PM »
As long as Obama and his policies are in place we will have these unemployment rates.
The Added taxes,  As long as the costs are not fixed no one can plan for what will be needed as staff
 The inability of companies to plan, (you can not make plans a year or less at a time you need 5 years or more for planing for growth).
The President keeps going after energy producers and the costs of fuel is what drives our economy.
 

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Re: Is unemployment this bad everywhere?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2012, 06:57:42 PM »
They are also not counting the folks that are underemployed.  I have a friend in Florida, that is an Architect, after being laid off he drew unemployment for a while.  Then his wife got laid off.  He found work, but not near what he made as an architect.  But he is making the mortgage payment on the house, and keeping the kid in college.  There is people all over the country like that as well. 
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2012, 10:12:33 PM »
The manufacturing sector has left the country, well that is unless you count pizza. You simply cannot gainfully employ everyone with service industry jobs.
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Re: Is unemployment this bad everywhere?
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2012, 01:08:03 AM »
It depends on where you live. Some places are nearly back to pre recession job availability, other places, like Imperial county california have a 35% unemployment level and no jobs available.


$8.50 class jobs have been good jobs in a lot of places for decades, since at least 1900, inflation adjusted, so it doesnt surprise me that there would be a lot of applications without knowing where this place is.


As for manufacturing, there are lots of good manufacturing and related jobs available. But they require skill and education. People seem to confuse the issues when manufacturing sector is being discussed. Manufacturing didn't go away. Low skill jobs that paid a living wage went away. Those are two different things. 


The biggest thing I see today is how so many people won't take jobs because they can make more on welfare than thy can working as a plumbers or electrician assistant.

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Re: Is unemployment this bad everywhere?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 01:14:53 AM »
I have been working for just under a year now, before this was out of work for almost two years. At the start of the two year drought I had met a guy in my line of work that was a supervisor and he said he would see what he could do for me. (I 'm a tugboat pilot).

Well two years later was told the job I was hoping for dropped from twelve hours a day to eight hours. After a few days of receiving that info I had the bright idea that he might have trouble manning the job at eight hours and sure enough he was. I told him I would take the job and I'm damned glad to have it. Twenty minutes from the house is nice also.


Going from twelve to eight hours I'm losing around $500 a week but if I can't SURVIVE on $800 then I have major problems anyway.


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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2012, 01:17:57 AM »
It's bad here.......
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2012, 02:51:36 AM »
Its bad here in Charleston,SC too.......................Obama is full of CRAP!
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Re: Is unemployment this bad everywhere?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2012, 04:33:03 AM »
The politicians here want us to believe things are picking up but I'm not buying it.   I drive around and see closed stores, businesses and half empty retail malls everywhere.  Many good people I know are still unemployed or under employed.  A lot of folks who's benefits have run out have had to take whatever jobs they can get for drastically less than what they were making before the crash to keep a roof over their heads.

I fall into the later category myself.  I'm making $4/hr less than I was a little over two years ago and have no payed vacation, sick days or company paid health insurance.  I only get half pay for travel time and some days spend more time traveling to the jobs than I actually work.  If it wasn't for the fact that I'm driving a company vehicle burning company gas I would probably actually loose money on those days.     
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2012, 04:47:17 AM »
Watch very close how the "News Media" chooses who the next president will be.
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Re: Is unemployment this bad everywhere?
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2012, 04:55:32 AM »
Manufacturing jobs didn't go away?? Go to one of the big box stores ( since most of the creaky floored Mom and Pop hardware stores are gone) and see how many tools you can find that are made in the U.S.A. Even products like Vice-Grips are made in China. The old adage "figures don't lie,  but liars can figure" applies to the unemployment stats as much as anything. 

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2012, 05:24:33 AM »
BRETT. You pretty well covered it. The govt figures are lies, we know it, the govt knows it, and the dems, libs, and mentally challenged ones know it, but they'll vote for their messiah anyway. Had enough change yet?? Another 4 years of the obamination and we won't even have change. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Is unemployment this bad everywhere?
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2012, 05:30:23 AM »
2009 and 2010 were extremely lean for me; scary time. 2011, I moved to CA for a five-month contract gig. I'm back in NC, and I've had pretty good contract work since the fall... but it's about over. We'll see.
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Re: Is unemployment this bad everywhere?
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2012, 05:34:06 AM »
Manufacturing jobs didn't go away?? Go to one of the big box stores ( since most of the creaky floored Mom and Pop hardware stores are gone) and see how many tools you can find that are made in the U.S.A. Even products like Vice-Grips are made in China. The old adage "figures don't lie,  but liars can figure" applies to the unemployment stats as much as anything.
If the "green freaks" were honest they would want the manufacturing jobs here as the polution cna be controlled.
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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2012, 05:35:05 AM »
I didn't say that manufacturing jobs didn't go away. I said that low skilled jobs that pay a living wage went away. US manufacturing sector is huge, second only to China in exports. That's amazing when you consider that the backbone of China's economy is manufacturing. Good skilled people in the manufacturing sector are in demand now. Low skill workers were replaced by automation, and those  jobs are never coming  back.

Consider this: You are being manipulated into thinking that manufacturing is a problem, and we need to do all kinds of things to bring manufacturing back, and give subsidies and tax breaks to manufacturers. Well, there are a hell of a lot of industries in this country, and most of them are thriving. Why aren't you being manipulated into thinking that they need tax breaks? Probably because there are still a bunch of old union types that think they can get their obsolete jobs back, and by politicians who are on the union gravy train. It's all politics, not economics.

Also consider this: What if a manufacturer gets a tax break and an incentive? This happens all the time in states like South Dakota: They hire a few good people, buy good machines, and there aren't that many jobs created. A good size manufacturer can keep more truck drivers shipping materials in and product out than they can employ directly in the plant and front office combined.




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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2012, 05:41:36 AM »
unemployment is bad in many countries. small business is the only way to turn it around. support small business as much as yuo can
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Re: Is unemployment this bad everywhere?
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2012, 05:45:19 AM »
In North-Central Texas, we appear to be somewhat insulated here.  The job unemployment situation is below the national average, but oil is driving much of it....like that is somehow bad according to the Democrats!!
 
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2012, 07:27:53 AM »
In North-Central Texas, we appear to be somewhat insulated here.  The job unemployment situation is below the national average, but oil is driving much of it....like that is somehow bad according to the Democrats!!
 
Novemer, 2012 will tell alot.  If BHO is voted in again, well.....we asked for it!!  And shame on us.....
Ewww, oil is dirty and icky. How could you consider getting dirty a good job. That sort of thing is below what a good American should be doing. You got two paths according to this crowd.


Path one victim hood, the man who is keeping you down is expected to support you. See any problems with that thought process? You expect the very SOB, RACIST, CAPITALIST, piece of crap you despise, to feed you and your kids. It is also beneath you to labor in any form or fashion, save childbirth, for this support.


Path two education. Pay an exorbitant amount of money to further an education in liberal thought processes, and justification for the above career path. Next move on to a Barista position at the local Caribou Coffee shack. Now choose between managing that store or start down path one. Having managed the store for two years you meet up with a local activist and volunteer for "save the vegan seals" campaign. A couple years of chaining yourself to ice breakers later you find yourself clutching your benefactors coat tails in DC. You now work for the Government and have a respectable job.


Path three ( I forgot path three ). Immigrate here from a foreign country preferably Mexico, but a former Eastern Bloc country will do in a pinch. Take a job in the trades, work hard and succeed. But get dirty EWWW.


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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2012, 07:31:12 AM »
You said,,,,,,,,"They do not care about Class warfare and wanting things for free."
Thats popular here in the south.............................
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Re: Is unemployment this bad everywhere?
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2012, 08:04:36 AM »
What they don't tell you is that the reason the number of folks on Unemployment is down is not because they all found jobs. It's simply because they couldn't and their benifits ran out! Then too when a tank of gas costs a person on minimum wage half or more of their pay check is it any wonder they can't afford to work even if they can find a job? It doesn't leave them much for groceries and rent and you can't work if you can't get there! Wanna see the economy turn around. Lower gas prices! Then folks can afford to work and spend money!

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2012, 08:35:07 AM »
What they don't tell you is that the reason the number of folks on Unemployment is down is not because they all found jobs. It's simply because they couldn't and their benifits ran out! Then too when a tank of gas costs a person on minimum wage half or more of their pay check is it any wonder they can't afford to work even if they can find a job? It doesn't leave them much for groceries and rent and you can't work if you can't get there! Wanna see the economy turn around. Lower gas prices! Then folks can afford to work and spend money!

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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2012, 09:50:29 AM »
We are doing pretty good here, about 4.1% unemployment but oil & gas drives the economy here. That's some of those dirty jobs EQ is talking about. Also you get cold, hot, windblown, etc. A lot of it isn't just 9 to 5 either, in fact most of it isn't.

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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2012, 11:04:06 AM »
My buddy in Florida had a booming business before Obama.  He had 11 employees, now he has 8.  He has had to cut employe pay by 20%.  He has laid off 3 employees.  For the last three years he has been breaking even.  Some months he is up in the Black a little, other months he is in the Red.  But over the long haul he is just breaking even. 

Now for Alaska.  Mining, Oil, and Government Jobs, are the life blood of Alaska. 

Big Foreign owned mining corps have moved in and are running big mines.  Most of the employees are from out of state, they can be hired for less, and controlled better than someone that lives here.  They won't readily quite since home is 4,000 miles away and the company furnishes transportation to and from.

The small mining operations are being squeezed out by BLM closing roads, and refusing them access across BLM lands to their claims.  More good paying jobs going away.

The Government won't allow new oil wells to be drilled, and the amount of oil in the pipeline is dwindling.  So all the high paying oil field jobs went away.

The military closed the smaller remote bases, crushing the economies of rural communities.  They combined Ft Richardson Army Post, and Elmendorf AFB, at Anchorage.  The Air Force took over base operations.  The Army Civilian Employees became Air Force Employees.  The Air Force combined the two operations, reducing the numbers by 1/4th to 1/3rd, putting a large number of people out of work.  The Air Force moved all but one squadron of air planes out of Eielson AFB, reducing the number of Military there, and in the community.  The loss of those people has had a dramatic affect on this community.  Now the Air Force is talking about moving the last squadron from Eielson, and mothballing the base.  North Pole is nothing but a bed room community for Eielson AFB.  North Pole will dry up.

The cost of fuel is killing us.  We heat our homes with fuel oil.  My last fill up was over $1,400.00 and that was for less than 400 gal.  Our electricity is produced by fuel oil, my electric bill for last month was over $600.00.  People are moving out of the area.  Especially the elderly, and those on fixed incomes.  Every week someone at the Senior Center says they are moving to the lower 48.  Most are moving in with the kids, where ever they live.  The population of Fairbanks and the surrounding area is in a decline.  Some homes have been on the market for 18 to 24 months, and have not sold.  The only jobs for the kids during the summer are with the cruise lines.  Carnival and Princess do not pay good.  Hard long hours, lots of stress, and you will be fired in a heart beat, over nothing.

My neighbor (50 yro) was laid off, but the company said he quite, just as they filed for bankruptcy.  That made him ineligible for unemployment.  He got education assistance from the state and went to college.  He graduated the end of December with a Mechanical Engineering degree.  He has applied for several positions, and has some good prospects starting in the spring.  In the mean time he has found out he is now eligible for unemployment.   We don't understand that, but he is taking the money, his last kid just moved out and he now needs to pay the bills.  Side note, he was fortunate in that his kids started graduating at the time he was laid off.  The oldest girl went to work for a legal office and she did not want to move out, so she paid rent and board.  The second girl did the same thing.  The boy had already moved out, but he and his roommate had a spat and he moved back in.  When the second girl got married and moved out the youngest started working.  Now they have all moved out, and he and the wife are alone, with the house payments and electric and heating bills.

My wife is looking for a job in either Washington DC or Virginia.  She is a Government Employee.  As soon as she can find one she is leaving Alaska.  We can no longer afford to live here.  If we can sell the house great, if not we will rent it.
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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2012, 02:58:19 PM »
Sourdough, I just can't picture you living in Washington DC or northern Virginia. 
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Like I said,,,the "Media" is to blame on the outcome of it,,,,,,Just watch!
 
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2012, 08:30:48 PM »
Brett:  I lived there for three years back in the early 90s.  I was working at the Defense Intelligence Agency.  (I know that is an Oxymoran)  Got involved in a shooting scrape with one of the local gangs.  Thought it the better part of discression to leave quick back to Alaska.  It's been 18 years, doubt those guys are still around.  Back then I had a Black Beard, and was 50 lbs lighter.  Now my beard is Gray. 
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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2012, 08:05:29 AM »
Sourdough, Your life story could fill volumes.  You really need to sit down and record all your experiences you have shared with us on this forum over the last few years and find yourself a publisher. 

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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2012, 09:51:51 AM »
Brett:  The only difference between me and other people, is that instead of sitting and thinking or dreaming of doing something, I got up and went and did it.  Example:  One Thursday afternoon an NCO came into the office showing his family vacation pictures of the Grand Canyon.  We lived in Phoenix at the time.  My new bride said I'd like to go there someday.  I filled out leave slips for the two of us, and handed them to the First Sargent.  We both worked in the Orderly Room at that time.  The First Sargent gave us an hour off early that afternoon, we jumped into her little Honda and were gone. 

The camper was on the truck at our apartment in Glendale.  I kept it loaded and packed with food and cloths, I just had to turn on the refer and load perishables.  By the time the rest of the people were getting off work, we were on the highway almost half way to Flagstaff.  We arrived at the Park Thursday night.  Friday morning bright and early, with us being young, her 20 me 27 we hiked down to the bottom.  Going down was easy with full packs.  She loved to hike, and climb around on rocks.  We spent the rest of Friday, and Saturday exploring the river and accessible beaches.  We spent Sunday climbing out and driving back to Phoenix.  Good thing we were young and in good shape, and we had eaten the food and drank the water we had carried down.  Still that climb out with packs was rough.

Monday morning the people in the office could not believe we had done that, over a weekend. 

The following weekend we decided to go riding to the White Tanks Mtns West of Luke AFB.  On Friday after work, we loaded a pack horse, saddled our riding horses and off we went.  We spent all day Saturday, and half the day on Sunday exploring, and doing things newly weds do when out alone.  Sunday evening we rode back to the base stables.  Spent the night in the camper there at the base stables, no reason to drive to our apartment in Glendale.  Monday morning got up and reported for work.  Again people could not believe we had made that trip.  Many said, "I've dreamed of doing that".  I asked why not?  Their reply, "Well, I just never get around to it".  Most people spend too much time making plans and getting ready.  Not me, I just go and do it.  Plan as you go.  Right now my snow machine is sitting in the back yard with a full tank of fuel.  There is a sled with a big box mounted on it.  Bos is packed with enough gear, MREs, and water to go any where and stay for three to four days.  Longer if need be.  There is even a survival gun (Savage V-24 .223X20ga) and shells packed in the box.

Other things in my life, I just happened to be in the right place at the right or wrong time.   
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Re: Is unemployment this bad everywhere?
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2012, 09:59:43 AM »
Brett:  The only difference between me and other people, is that instead of sitting and thinking or dreaming of doing something, I got up and went and did it.  Example:  One Thursday afternoon an NCO came into the office showing his family vacation pictures of the Grand Canyon.  We lived in Phoenix at the time.  I filled out leave slips for the two of us.  The First Sargent gave us an hour off that afternoon, we were gone. 

The camper was on the truck, loaded and packed, (we kept it that way) I just had to turn on the refer and load perishables.  By the time the rest of the people were getting off work, we were on the highway almost half way to Flagstaff.  We arrived at the Park Thursday night.  Friday morning bright and early, with us being young, her 20 me 27 we hiked down to the bottom.  Going down was easy.  She loved to hike, and climb around on rocks.  We spent the rest of Friday, and Saturday exploring the river and accessible beaches.  We spent Sunday climbing out and driving back to Phoenix.  Good thing we were young and in good shape, and we had eaten the food and drank the water, that climb out with packs was rough.

Monday morning the people in the office could not believe we had done that, over a weekend. 

The following weekend we decided to go riding to the White Tanks Mtns.  On Friday after work, we loaded a pack horse, saddled our riding horses and off we went.  We spent all day Saturday, and half the day on Sunday exploring, and doing things newly weds do when out alone.  Sunday evening we rode back to the base stables.  Spent the night in the camper there at the base stables, no reason to drive to our apartment in Glendale.  Monday morning got up and reported for work.  Again people could not believe we had made that trip.  Many said, "I've dreamed of doing that".  I asked why not?  Their reply, "Well, I just never get around to it".  Most people spend too much time making plans and getting ready.  Not me, I just go and do it.  Plan as you go.

Other things in my life, I just happened to be in the right place at the right or wrong time.   
I have also enjoyed your stories over the years. If you ever did get around to writing a book I would buy a copy. When I was younger in my 20's I would get a wild hair up my but and drive from Fl to Pa to visit friends over the weekend and be back for work on Monday. Dale
The quality of a mans life is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence.

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