Author Topic: 12 weeks in the womb  (Read 2160 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline twoshooter

  • Trade Count: (7)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1259
  • Gender: Male
  • Remember the Starfish......
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2012, 04:11:29 PM »
Reference Turks post regarding prosecution of someone who injures a pregnant woman, I agree completely. That is totally arbitrary and capricious and should be immediately stopped. The fact that she was pregnant was totally incidental.

Regarding the second. Riiiightt! Just like you would just stop shooting and hunting and owning guns if they banned guns, and be a good little citizen and turn yours all in. They would not have to worry about the consequences at all.

Yes, there would be massive fallout. There would have to be huge bureaucracies created to enforce it, giant record keeping and data storage facilities, very intrusive police powers granted. Just make it illegal? That worked SO well with alcohol, SO well with drugs, SO well with gambling, they are currently getting there with smoking and fast food, that is SO going to make us all decathalon winners, right??


As for truth and simple answers, If you own a boat, stay out of the ocean, you may fall off the edge ::) The only real question, and for your sake I will simplify it to mostly monosyllabic words. You believe in freedom #A Yes #B No. No need to quantify, qualify, or elaborate. A or B. End of story.
1000 years ago Men KNEW the Earth was the center of the Universe.....500 years ago Men KNEW the world was flat....... 15 minutes ago you KNEW man was alone in the universe.... Just IMAGINE what we will know tomorrow !! "K"- from Men in Black.

Offline powderman

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32823
  • Gender: Male
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2012, 04:32:35 PM »
TURK. Good post Sir. I have no problem with a female risking her own life to kill her child, I think it only fair. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

Offline turk762

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 192
  • Gender: Male
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2012, 07:46:51 AM »
Reference Turks post regarding prosecution of someone who injures a pregnant woman, I agree completely. That is totally arbitrary and capricious and should be immediately stopped. The fact that she was pregnant was totally incidental.

Regarding the second. Riiiightt! Just like you would just stop shooting and hunting and owning guns if they banned guns, and be a good little citizen and turn yours all in. They would not have to worry about the consequences at all.

Yes, there would be massive fallout. There would have to be huge bureaucracies created to enforce it, giant record keeping and data storage facilities, very intrusive police powers granted. Just make it illegal? That worked SO well with alcohol, SO well with drugs, SO well with gambling, they are currently getting there with smoking and fast food, that is SO going to make us all decathalon winners, right??


As for truth and simple answers, If you own a boat, stay out of the ocean, you may fall off the edge ::) The only real question, and for your sake I will simplify it to mostly monosyllabic words. You believe in freedom #A Yes #B No. No need to quantify, qualify, or elaborate. A or B. End of story.

Thank you for making it simple for me.
 
Yes, I believe in freedom, but as I posted before else where, freedom is not absolute. You generally have your freedoms as long as you don't stomp on the rights of others in their  LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. When you get pregnant you have a living being in you that should have the same freedoms as others because if allowed to mature it is a person.
 
So yes, I believe in freedom, but true absolute freedom is anarchy.
 

Offline Flash

  • Trade Count: (82)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2285
  • Gender: Male
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2012, 08:50:40 AM »

* mail.google.com.jpg (4.04 kB, 177x166 - viewed 89 times.)
     Swift one, what does that look like to you?? A baby, or a blob?? The pro death crowd will be in for a shock on judgement day. Theres a big difference between judging and pointing out a wrong, or sin. POWDERMAN.  :( :(

Is that after or before Election day?
What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger!

Offline srussell

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (14)
  • A Real Regular
  • *****
  • Posts: 838
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2012, 12:44:51 PM »
someone said that life begins when you fall out of the crotch. does that mean i can abort  the fetus on the delivery table before it starts out

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2012, 12:58:03 PM »
someone said that life begins when you fall out of the crotch. does that mean i can abort  the fetus on the delivery table before it starts out
just this evening, fox5 news in atlanta had a story about a fine young marine injured in afganistan.

he was a preemie that weighed 2.2 pounds at birth.
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline spitpatch

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 263
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2012, 03:44:44 PM »
God told Jeremiah, I knew ye before I formed thee in the womb. Seems pretty plain to me, and I didn't need 1,000 words to say it. POWDERMAN.  :o :o

   NAILED IT! I believe it's the womans CHOICE to get pregnant or not. Has anyone seen a partial birth abortion? They murder the child as it's exiting the womb. Thats beyond hidious! Anyone that thinks that little baby in the picture is not a person has to have a screw loose!
 
  POWDERMAN, BUGEYE, MECHANIC......I stand with you....and GOD! I would NOT want to stand in the shoes of one who did this, come judgement day.
Quality will be remembered long after price is forgotten

Offline powderman

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32823
  • Gender: Male
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2012, 04:14:14 PM »
SPITPATCH. Thanks. It amazes me how some folks see killing a baby because they don't want it as no different than pulling weeds from the garden, and some of these folks call themselves Christian. Sad, POWDERMAN.  :( :( :( :( :( :(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

Offline Doublebass73

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (46)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4579
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2012, 04:26:57 PM »
The legalities of it, I believe, are screwed up.
 
 Someone runs a redlight hits a car that has a pregnant woman in it and kills her and the child in the womb and that person can be charged with the death of both mother and the child. Even if the woman was on her way to have the baby aborted. How can we have it both ways. One way or the other. Either it is a person or its not! It just doesnt make sense.
 
We all know sometimes man get laws wrong, I believe this is one of those times.

Well said turk, in the famous Scott Peterson murder conviction in California he was convicted of killing his wife and unborn baby.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

---- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

Offline SwampThing762

  • Trade Count: (10)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2371
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2012, 04:52:10 PM »
I was taught from a young age one very simple lesson that does not lend itself to, or require interpretation.    It is four very simple yet profound words: "Thou shalt not kill."   

ST762
We learned the true nature of Islam on 11 Sept 2001.

Show your appreciation for Islam....eat more bacon.

"Non nobis Domine, non nobis, sed nomini tuo da gloriam." (Not to us Lord, not us, but to your name give the glory)  -- Knights Templar motto

Offline SL414

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Posts: 1
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2012, 12:33:33 AM »
If you whack it on the bottom and it breathes and cries, and it does not require extraordinary measures to stay alive, I would say you have a person. If it does not, it IS not.


So I guess our friends and family members who require extraordinary measures to stay alive (ventilators, dialysis, etc) are not persons either?

Offline BBF

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10042
  • Gender: Male
  • I feel much better now knowing it will get worse.
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2012, 08:21:39 AM »
I was taught from a young age one very simple lesson that does not lend itself to, or require interpretation.    It is four very simple yet profound words: "Thou shalt not kill."   

ST762

I believe the correct translation is "Thou shalt not murder."
What is the point of Life if you can't have fun.

Offline mechanic

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (32)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5112
  • Gender: Male
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2012, 11:53:44 AM »
If a woman is enroute to the abortion clinic to have an abortion, and a drunk runs a stop sign and the wreck causes the death of her unborn child, he will  be charged with vehicular homicide.
 
Explain that in legal and moral terms to me.  People are not ignorant of right and wrong, they simply choose to do wrong because it's what they want.  Then they think that if it's legal it's right.  Not so.
 
Ben
Molon Labe, (King Leonidas of the Spartan Army)

Offline powderman

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32823
  • Gender: Male
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2012, 01:09:13 PM »
Quote
I believe the correct translation is "Thou shalt not murder." 
     bbf. YES, thats what it means and thats what these females are doing. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

Offline Dixie Dude

  • Trade Count: (6)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4129
  • Gender: Male
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2012, 01:17:34 PM »
Easy to stop abortions.  Make it manditory that all girls 16 and above get on birth control.  This would be cheaper than having babies.  I know the Catholic church is against birth control.  However, there are pills, shots, diaphrams, etc.  No reason to get pg today, unless the girls have some type of alergic reaction to the pills or shots.  Make it manditory for sterilization for anyone on the government dole after having two kids.  That is plenty for them.  They made health care manditory, so making it manditory for birth control should not be a problem. 

Offline twoshooter

  • Trade Count: (7)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1259
  • Gender: Male
  • Remember the Starfish......
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2012, 04:09:40 PM »
Regarding the post above regarding "extraordinary measures", yes, you have that right. I have a living will, it orders that should I be catastrophically injured, if there is reason to believe that substantial recovery is likely, treatment should be undertaken. If the prognosis is that I will require significant ongoing and permanent treatment or assistance, let it go. If I will need to be permanently attached to ANY outside machine, power source, be paralyzed to the extent that I require total assistance, pull the plug NOW. "A coward dies a thousand deaths, the brave but once". If you are so all fired high on Jesus, why are you so afraid to meet him?? I'm not. Why should I take resources from those who could otherwise put them to good use ? I have watched many die over a 10 or 15 year period. You notice I did not say "lived". They pumped fluids in one end and away from the other, the nursing home corporation made their 6 or 7 thousand a month, while a " living" lump of meat lay quivering in a hospital bed. I have never met a single person who said "wow, I want to go just like that!". I have no fear of dieing, but I do worry about nosy self righteous control freaks trying to "intervene" on "my" behalf and perpetuating some zombie like existence. I would say that probably 30% of my age cohort has some serious medical condition at least in the beginning stages. My life expectancy is from 21 to 24 years with an 85% confidence level. I have had my bite of the apple, with a little left. If I have not gotten out of it what I wanted or expected, that is just too damn bad. I realize that many of you have a problem with the finality of death, you just have to postulate some ethereal wondrous afterlife where you play harps, have family reunions etc etc. When I die, I will become minerals. I will be absorbed by a tree they will plant in my ashes. That tree will produce acorns, which the deer will eat, the deer that fed me during my life. I will live forever..... but not as a harp player. 
1000 years ago Men KNEW the Earth was the center of the Universe.....500 years ago Men KNEW the world was flat....... 15 minutes ago you KNEW man was alone in the universe.... Just IMAGINE what we will know tomorrow !! "K"- from Men in Black.

Offline Pot-Bellied Stallion

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 171
  • Gender: Male
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2012, 05:16:27 PM »
A woman has the right to choose to murder her own child because she has the right to choose what she does with her own body.  Then, why is prostitution illegal?  Why can't she ravage her own body with crack, or meth, or coke, legally?  A fetus is a child when someone else murders it, but not a child when its own mother murders it.  It all just seems really sad to me.
Thanks for the stump

The older I get, the better I was.

Offline BBF

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10042
  • Gender: Male
  • I feel much better now knowing it will get worse.
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2012, 03:14:26 AM »
twoshooter :)
 
Interesting read there.
 We are not two peas in the pod but are definitely in the same garden.
What is the point of Life if you can't have fun.

Offline twoshooter

  • Trade Count: (7)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1259
  • Gender: Male
  • Remember the Starfish......
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2012, 03:25:56 AM »
Why not indeed?

You see, unfettered freedom is anarchy. SO, if you want to be free of regulation it is anarchy, but MY freedom is different. Bravo Sierra. Especially when 98% or more of those opining here can never BE in the condition they are talking about. It never ceases to amaze me the oblivious hipocracy of all the great statements made and justified by those 4 little words....... but that is different. No. It is not.

Either we are all in this together, interconnected and interdependent, responsible for one another, or we are not. That means that if you are sick, I care for you, if you are hungry, I feed you, if you are homeless, I shelter you, if you fall, I lift you up, kind of like.... being my brothers keeper. Where did I hear that ? I was admonished to read THE book more somewhere along here. I have read it enough to know that the man said that if someone stole your coat, give him your shirt also , or something to that effect. It sure did not say use your CCW permitted Glock and shoot him full of holes. And it means the reverse also.

If we are independent, then if any of the above happens, just walk around and go about your business, and so will I. It means that if I am DIRECTLY affecting you, you have standing....... like if I am driving drunk on the road with you . NOT just because you think costs of insurance might be lower if there were fewer drunks, nor some philosophical problem with consuming chemicals that incapacitate you.
1000 years ago Men KNEW the Earth was the center of the Universe.....500 years ago Men KNEW the world was flat....... 15 minutes ago you KNEW man was alone in the universe.... Just IMAGINE what we will know tomorrow !! "K"- from Men in Black.

Offline powderman

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32823
  • Gender: Male
Re: 12 weeks in the womb
« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2012, 03:31:54 AM »
A woman has the right to choose to murder her own child because she has the right to choose what she does with her own body.  Then, why is prostitution illegal?  Why can't she ravage her own body with crack, or meth, or coke, legally?  A fetus is a child when someone else murders it, but not a child when its own mother murders it.  It all just seems really sad to me.

 
POT BELLIED STALLION. You don't understand because you think like a man with morals and family values, something that liberal dems do not posess.  ;) ;)
 
TWOSHOOTER. Your chances of playing a harp as you say don't appear to be all that good. God gave us all free will, choose wisely my friends. Sad. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm