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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2012, 04:27:36 AM »
It appears that my question will just be ignored, probably because there is not a an answer to it that some here would be comfortable with. I did not throw out any pro or against on abortion, I threw out why one religions rules should be made law while opposing the same from another religion. One can say that Islam is a cult all they want but it is still a religion, just not a Christian religion. I thought that we in the United States had the freedom to practice whatever religion we wish or none at all but apparently I must be incorrect.
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« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2012, 04:40:25 AM »
It appears that my question will just be ignored, probably because there is not a an answer to it that some here would be comfortable with. I did not throw out any pro or against on abortion, I threw out why one religions rules should be made law while opposing the same from another religion. One can say that Islam is a cult all they want but it is still a religion, just not a Christian religion. I thought that we in the United States had the freedom to practice whatever religion we wish or none at all but apparently I must be incorrect.
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real Christians do not believe in murder. Jesus gets pretty miffed about it.
you may call islam a religion but it's a murderous cult.  they will kill kids at ANY age for as little as fraternizing with a Christian, or logging on to the internet.  they marry and rape little girls. their own prophet raped his 9yo bride. no comparison.
we in the United States are losing the freedom to worship as Christians. YOUR president stated that we are no longer a Christian nation.  his goal is islam for all.
the founding fathers aim was for God loving people to populate the USA, not murderers and pedophiles.
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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2012, 05:15:56 AM »
Guzzi, forget religion for awhile.  My BIL was pro-choice until he studied the development of the human embryo.  He is a college professor in organic chemistry.  He came to the conclusion that the fertilized egg, once attached to the uterian wall, was indeed, a seperate, individual human life.  He therefore became pro-life. 
 
Next is my belief.  I do not believe I should pay for anyones health care if it involves something that is preventable.  Birth control, abortions, AIDS, Sexually transmitted disease, lung cancer from smoking, and/or liver failure from alcohol.  All these are preventable and should be taken care of by the person responsible.  There must be personal responsibility.  If you start adding obese persons, then very few can be taken care of by my money.  Therefore health insurance or health in general is a personal responsibility and not a government or my responsibility.  In 1960 we had 80% of Americans insured by medical insurance.  13% were poor, the other 7% chose not to be insured for one reason or another.  It was not then nor now my responsibility to cover the 7%.  Medicare and Medicaid was and is enough for the poor and elderly.  85% of the uninsured were between 21-35, young, and didn't want to bother with buying it from their employers.  The rest were unemployed and lost what they had at their jobs.
 
Lowering manufacturing taxes and regulations will help business and industry start hireing people.  They provide insurance, and their workers provide taxes, so this is the solution, not free health care, because nothing is really free.  Another is to use tarriffs on goods imported where the country of origin either subsidises the industry or doesn't have child labor laws, minimum wage laws, or work week hours similar to ours.  It isn't fair for our industry to compete with such.  Also if it can or was made here, it can and should come back home.  This would solve most of our nations ills.  More taxes from workers.  Workers in the middle class.  Health care provided by the employers.  Ross Perot was right, once the Free Trade (not fair trade) laws were put into effect, 50% of the manufacturing  jobs were lost, which translates to about 4-5% of the unemployment would bring back the 80% of people insured instead of about 60%. 
 
That being said, scientifically, religously, and morally, abortion is killing and individual human life. 
 
One other reason, the child is a result of TWO people.  The father should also have a say as to whether he wants the baby also.  All these reasons add up to abortion should not be legal, and I would say if it endangered the mothers life only. 
 
Another reason, it should be a states rights issue and not a federal. 

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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2012, 06:07:08 AM »
It appears that my question will just be ignored, probably because there is not a an answer to it that some here would be comfortable with. I did not throw out any pro or against on abortion, I threw out why one religions rules should be made law while opposing the same from another religion. One can say that Islam is a cult all they want but it is still a religion, just not a Christian religion. I thought that we in the United States had the freedom to practice whatever religion we wish or none at all but apparently I must be incorrect.
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guzzi. If you were a Christian you would not be asking such a ridiculous question. Sharia and islam are not of God, but satan himself. Theres no comparison to it. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2012, 06:11:46 AM »
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I thought that we in the United States had the freedom to practice whatever religion we wish or none at all but apparently I must be incorrect.

You should be correct, but a good example of not being able to practice a religion is what just happened with the Catholics.  Someone needs MONEY to buy someone else something.
So what did they do?  One group of people stepped on someone elses rights to get something they wanted.  This same group of people do not want that to happen to THEM...but it will at some point, because you can't pick and choose who gets to keep their rights and who don't.  So then the people that were going step on the Catholic religion needed their votes, and said...make the private insurance companies pay instead.  There goes THEIR rights. 
 
You can't pick and choose who gets to practice religion and who doesn't, who pays and who doesn't....but basically, it's all because someone needs someone elses money....so religion gets stepped on in the process, along with everyone else who has to pay for what they don't want regardless of religion. 
 
Some people don't call abortion murder because they can't face it, but another reason is because there is a huge MARKET for it...based on MONEY.  Although if someone kills a pregnant women they may get charged with a double murder...go figure.  The constituion and the republic was designed so a majority could not take the individuals rights away, but I notice when it comes to other people's money and taking their rights, people scream democracy, they don't seem to care much about anyone else. 
 
Ain't that the way it really is?  Article 4 section 4 is about dead, democracy has pretty much crippled us all. 
 
 

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« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2012, 06:28:59 AM »
Powderman, those who do not know Jesus as their PERSONAL Lord and Savior, do not understand where we are coming from.  You have to argue scientifically and from a position of personal responsibility and where and what my tax money is spent on. 

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« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2012, 09:21:56 AM »
Yup, to understand the Word of God is to know the Word of God, and the only way to truly know is to have Jesus Christ as your personal LORD and SAVIOR.  Dixie Dude, your post is exactly correct.

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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2012, 10:02:07 AM »
Jimster mentioned something that has bothered me for a long time.  In this state, abortion is legal, but a person who murders a pregnant woman can be charged with a second count of murder for killing the fetus, and there is no stipulation as to how old the fetus must be before this applies.  How can this be?  How can the same act LEGALLY get a doctor a couple thousand dollars and yet get somebody else life in prison?  Do you think there are probably some legislators who voted for the laws that cover both of these situations?  I would like to hear some legal-eagle explain how this can be justified.  If a six week old fetus is considered MURDERED if its mother is killed by a drunk driver why is it not considered murdered when yanked from its mother's uterus by a doctor?  Oh, please somebody, explain this to me.

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« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2012, 10:17:04 AM »
Jimster mentioned something that has bothered me for a long time.  In this state, abortion is legal, but a person who murders a pregnant woman can be charged with a second count of murder for killing the fetus, and there is no stipulation as to how old the fetus must be before this applies.  How can this be?  How can the same act LEGALLY get a doctor a couple thousand dollars and yet get somebody else life in prison?  Do you think there are probably some legislators who voted for the laws that cover both of these situations?  I would like to hear some legal-eagle explain how this can be justified.  If a six week old fetus is considered MURDERED if its mother is killed by a drunk driver why is it not considered murdered when yanked from its mother's uterus by a doctor?  Oh, please somebody, explain this to me.
this is an excellent question.  I guess it's the old pro-abortion argument that the baby is part of the mothers body.  it's not.  the baby depends on the mother to be able to grow, but she is only an incubator.  he/she needs the mother for its food to grow, the same as a newborn.
obama would throw away an unwanted baby.   my wife and I tried for 14 years before we found a baby and there's plenty of people just like us.  if everybody had to go through what we did to get a baby, they would appreciate how precious a baby is.  I'm not talking about the Christians here, just the non-christians.
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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2012, 12:04:19 PM »
Powderman, those who do not know Jesus as their PERSONAL Lord and Savior, do not understand where we are coming from.  You have to argue scientifically and from a position of personal responsibility and where and what my tax money is spent on.

 
DIXIE DUDE. Good post Sir and true. Hang around for a bit and I'm sure one of the pro death crowd will give us chapter and verse with Jesus  saying that it's ok to kill a baby if ya don't want it.
 
guzzi. Your question has been answered several times. If you were asking about Baptists vs other Christian sects it would be easy, we worship the same God, the real one. Islam is of satan himself and is not considered by me as a religion, just a uhhhhhhh, you know cult. Still waiting on scripyture about killing babies. Pm me if you want.  POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2012, 01:45:44 PM »
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In this state, abortion is legal, but a person who murders a pregnant woman can
be charged with a second count of murder for killing the fetus, and there is no
stipulation as to how old the fetus must be before this applies.  How can this
be?  How can the same act LEGALLY get a doctor a couple thousand dollars and yet
get somebody else life in prison?  Do you think there are probably some
legislators who voted for the laws that cover both of these situations?  I would
like to hear some legal-eagle explain how this can be justified.  If a six week
old fetus is considered MURDERED if its mother is killed by a drunk driver why
is it not considered murdered when yanked from its mother's uterus by a doctor? 
Oh, please somebody, explain this to me.

Bugeye, probably not anyway to explain this, truth is killing fetus is killing a human, can't have it both ways, except through politics I guess.
Bothers me too, the people in charge will convict for killing a baby in the womb, but not if you pay for it through planned parenthood. There is a very large group of people in this country that like to have lots of things both ways, great big grey area, so they can do whats handy at the time.  I still don't like lots of laws hanging over our heads at the fed level either way, but abortion should already be covered under killing someone which is already against the law.  It's been going on so long people are numb to it.  I still think a lot of it is about money as planned parenthood has quite a business going there.  I think money is the root of most all moral problems in our country, a lot of it comes out of our paychecks. My opinion...I didn't read that anywhere, but there sure seems to be  a lot of money involved in bad things.
Planned Parenthood’s income break-down for 2006-2007 fiscal year
PP clinic income: $356.9 million
 PP Government grants and contracts: $336.7 million
 Total profit: $114.8 million
 Total income: $1.02 billion
Total number of abortions in the U.S. since 1973: 48 million +
 Abortions per year: 1,200,000
 Abortions per day: 3,288
 Abortions per hour: 137
 9 abortions every 4 minutes
 1 abortion every 26 seconds
 
 
 

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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2012, 02:26:05 PM »
jimster, those are some really gruesome statistics.  and I guess we are all helping to pay for this holocaust.  sad.
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« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2012, 02:40:17 PM »
JIMSTER. Good post and yes, it is about money. Baby butchers get paid big bucks for killing babies, then they get more $ from labs, ect for body parts and tissue to experiment with. When all useable parts and tissues have been harvested whats left is simply tossed in the trash with the rest of the garbage.
STILLKICKIN. Recognizing human life in the womb goes all the way back to the Bible. If a man caused an accident that caused a woman to lose her yet unborn child he was responsible to pay compensation to the childs father for the loss of their child.
If abortion was ever made illegal it would still happen, but not only could the killers and females in question be charged they might have to be done in back alleys or on somebodys kitchen table, also risking the females life. I have no problem with that at all. In fact I think that if a female is intentionally trying to murder her child it's only fair that her life too be at risk. Might just cause them to think about things. Put it up for adoption, let the child live. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2012, 11:12:10 AM »
I think if we fund a way where nobody that didn't want to fund any low life stuff didn't have to and they stopped taking our money against our will most things would slow way down, less abortions, less young girls having babies, less people getting entitlements...most all these things are funded by taking money from us against our will.  Take the money out and things tend to slow down or shut down. Socialism causes low life things to grow and prosper.  Socialism should be limited and our money watched over and tracked, and nobody should have to pay for any of this stuff, it should be funded by people who want it, and only them.

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« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2012, 04:08:54 PM »
JIMSTER. Another good post Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2012, 06:47:33 AM »
Government created the problem in the first place.  In 1960 we had no big government programs except the military and social security.    Other programs were minor, including NASA.  Sex studies indicated that 90% of kids DID NOT have sex before 18, sexually transmitted diseases were almost eliminated.  50% of Americans attended church weekly.  Families and churches took care of the needy not the government. 
 
With the Great Society we had welfare started, medicare, medicaid, the sexual revolution, prayer and bible reading taken out of schools, the hippy movement questioning everything, drugs, etc.  By 1970, 90% of kids had sex before 18, premarital pregnacys increased, thus the demand for abortions, andd sexually transmitted diseases became rampant.  Government took the place of the church and family by usurping their authority.  Basically forgetting God, and letting sin go rampant, we reaped the results.  America can turn, but we need another Great Awakening, like we had in the 1800's.  We need to pray for Revival seriously. 

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« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2012, 09:34:11 AM »
Quote from Dixie Dude:
"Sex studies indicated that 90% of kids DID NOT have sex before 18, sexually transmitted diseases were almost eliminated. "


The above is BS. Don't know where the above numbers came from but just a quick google search show a number of sources that show double or more that rate.
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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2012, 11:09:27 AM »
Government created the problem in the first place.  In 1960 we had no big government programs except the military and social security.    Other programs were minor, including NASA.  Sex studies indicated that 90% of kids DID NOT have sex before 18, sexually transmitted diseases were almost eliminated.  50% of Americans attended church weekly.  Families and churches took care of the needy not the government. 
 
With the Great Society we had welfare started, medicare, medicaid, the sexual revolution, prayer and bible reading taken out of schools, the hippy movement questioning everything, drugs, etc.  By 1970, 90% of kids had sex before 18, premarital pregnacys increased, thus the demand for abortions, andd sexually transmitted diseases became rampant.  Government took the place of the church and family by usurping their authority.  Basically forgetting God, and letting sin go rampant, we reaped the results.  America can turn, but we need another Great Awakening, like we had in the 1800's.  We need to pray for Revival seriously.

 
DIXIE DUDE. Another good post Sir, all true. That was a good time to grow up too, more folks had God in their lives and liberalism was seen as a mental illness, which of course it still is. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2012, 01:16:58 PM »
I will admit I read some wrong, 90% had not had sex by 16, not 18.  Today 50% have by 16.  Births out of wedlock by teen whites in 1960 was 3%, today it is over 25%.  As you can see, we have gone downhill with morality. 

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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2012, 03:52:03 PM »
DIXIE DUDE. Another good post Sir. All this goes back to I believe 1963 when madelyn ohare got libby judges to kick God out of America, marking  the birth of liberals. We've gone downhill ever since. They shut the door on God and opened another door to satan. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2012, 03:10:52 AM »
It appears that my question will just be ignored, probably because there is not a an answer to it that some here would be comfortable with.

Is is being ignored... not addressed directly. And you're right, the reason is it would be uncomfortable. Being faced with one's own hypocrisy is something most folks try real hard to avoid.
guzzi. ONLY AN INFIDEL WOULD DARE ASK SUCH A QUESTION If you were a Christian you would not be asking such a ridiculous question. Sharia and islam are not of God, but satan himself. Theres no comparison to it. POWDERMAN. :( :(

Well, there you go...
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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2012, 04:37:51 AM »

[/size]Here's a little something to think about this election year if abortion is an issue that concerns you.
[/size]This from pastor Chuck Baldwin (The Truth About Abortion)
[/size]What is especially irritating about the whole abortion debate is the way the subject has been used as a political football by those on both the right and the left of the political aisle. While the national Democratic Party proudly touts itself as being "pro-choice," (meaning, pro-murdering unborn babies), it has been the so-called "pro-life" Republican Party that is mostly to blame for legalized abortion being left as the law of the land for nearly 4 decades.
[/size]Think of it: the GOP has dominated US Supreme Court appointments for the 37 years since the Roe decision. In fact, the 1973 court that released the Roe decision was a Republican-appointed court by a 6-3 margin. The same GOP-dominated court also rendered the Doe v. Bolton Supreme Court decision reaffirming Roe.
[/size]Consider still: the "pro-life" Republican Party controlled the entire federal government from the election of 2000 to the election of 2006: six long years of GOP domination of both houses of Congress, the White House, and the US Supreme Court. And in all that time not one single unborn baby's life was saved. NOT ONE!
[/size]And, yet, each year, Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) would introduce the Sanctity of Life bill. And each year, the bill would sit in the document room of the Capitol Building and gather dust. What would Rep. Paul's bill do? Two things: (1) It would define unborn babies as persons under the law. (2) Under the authority of Article. III. Section. 2. of the US Constitution, it would remove abortion from the jurisdiction of the court. Had the "pro-life" Republican congress passed Dr. Paul's bill, and the "pro-life" President, G. W. Bush, signed it into law, Roe v. Wade would have been effectively overturned.
[/size]If your truly for pro-life, you may want to remember this as you head to the poll booth to choose your Republican Choice for President.
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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #52 on: February 21, 2012, 04:48:27 AM »
Starting to throw personal darts again, so I deleted a few post's......Keep it on topic and leave off the personal jabs!This is a touchy issue and one that's hard to debate without letting the blood pressure rise ;)
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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2012, 04:59:45 AM »
NW, a sanctity of life law would be right up my alley.  I'm sure there's some more in congress that would agree with that,  so why haven't they forced it into the public eye.  maybe a news conference or something.  that's how Reagan got a lot of things done as governor of Ca.
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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2012, 05:17:58 AM »
Here's my stance on the issue.
 
Abortion, when used for birth control is dispicable.
 
Abortion in the  case of rape, birth defect, disease or risk of mothers life is acceptable. 
 
Granted I view it as conditional.  The same way I view most matters in life. 
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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2012, 05:30:22 AM »
my view is, only in defense of the mothers life.  some of the sweetest kids in the world are "downs syndrome".
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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2012, 10:26:50 AM »
my view is, only in defense of the mothers life.  some of the sweetest kids in the world are "downs syndrome".

 
BUGEYE. Very true Sir. There are some here that would think it ok to have killed my gdaughter Jadyn since she would have been seen as defective. Yes, over 5 yrs old and still bleeding. We almost lost her again week before last. We went to another funeral yesterday, a solemn reminder about how fragile and important life is. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2012, 02:05:56 PM »
my view is, only in defense of the mothers life.  some of the sweetest kids in the world are "downs syndrome".

 
BUGEYE. Very true Sir. There are some here that would think it ok to have killed my gdaughter Jadyn since she would have been seen as defective. Yes, over 5 yrs old and still bleeding. We almost lost her again week before last. We went to another funeral yesterday, a solemn reminder about how fragile and important life is. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
PM, we still pray for her.
and with good timing, ABC news tonight told about a downs syndrome boy in Germantown Tenn. that is now able to start every basket game with a 40% shot average.
he is a blessing to all who know him.
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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2012, 02:38:06 PM »
What is the Muslim position on abortion? Does anybody know? We've got a few here who like to tell what Islam is all about... surely some will know the answer? Share it?
I've heard rumor that the Muslim position on abortion, is same as the Christian position.
Is it true?
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Re: When obama voted for infanticide, or when the babies don't cooperate.
« Reply #59 on: February 21, 2012, 02:51:44 PM »
One day Jadyn will be able to thank President Obama for the Health Care Reform Bill which will not allow insurance companies to deny her coverage!
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