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[KIMBER45]

If the world were free of liberals , who would the right wing conservatives blame? Think about it.

[dukkillr]

If the world were free of liberals , who would the right wing conservatives blame? Think about it.

Probably the apolitical poor.  But this is a two way street.  If the world were free of conservatives who would the liberals blame?  Probably the apolitical wealthy.  And here's the thing, both would have some point.  Neither "Team" is always right, or always wrong.  The only thing I can guarantee is that if you find a guy who always toes the party (regardless of party) line, you've found a guy who is too lazy to think for himself.

[Cuts Crooked]

If the world were free of conservatives who would the liberals blame?

That's easy.......God!

[powderman]

If the world were free of liberals , who would the right wing conservatives blame? Think about it.

 
HEH, I thought about it. Truth is that if there were no more liberals there would be no problems that NEEDED blame. POWDERMAN. 

[BUGEYE]

If the world were free of liberals , who would the right wing conservatives blame? Think about it.

we would live happily ever after.

[nw_hunter]

I was going to respond to this , but after reading Duk's thought's, what's the point? He NAILED it!!

[Swift One]

If the world were free of liberals , who would the right wing conservatives blame? Think about it.

Ya know, after doing some posting in the politics forum, I have come to one very obvious conclusion that I may have not realized before.  I think I ride the fence between liberalism, and conservatism.  I grew up in a very conservative household and always thought that I was that.  I do believe that my recent interest in politics and finding out what side I fit into most has lead me to forums like these.  Both sides have some views that I whole heartily agree with, and both sides have some views that I whole heartily disagree with. I do believe that I am niether a 100% liberal or a 100% conservative.  How do you categorize a guy who loves guns, accepts abortion, enjoys hunting, and cannot stand the rich getting richer off the middle class? Dukkillr hit it right.  The ability to look at both sides and come to your own conclusions is really what free speach is all about IMO.  And quite frankly, I am glad that we never have to face a reality where one side is gone forever and the reamining side needs to go out and look for something else to place the blame on.

[mcwoodduck]

If the world were free of liberals , who would the right wing conservatives blame? Think about it.

If the World were fee of Liberals there would not need to be blame.
Before the liberals of the 60's and 70's the country ran OK.
We would also not have the Stuipdity that thinks if people are given things they will apreacheate them and that they will not demand more or better.
We also would not have anyone who does not understand human nature and economics.

[jimster]

I don't have a problem with liberals, it's the progressive socialists I have a problem with.  They use the word liberal, but they are not, a true liberal IS conservative, wants less government intervention and the constitution.  I agree with the party thing, both major parties stole the words liberal and Conservative cause what they really are is pretty bad and they can't use those words.  We have to think for ourselves. 
 
Now that we got the name game out of the way, there will always be progressive socialism, it won't go away, never has anywhere in the world, and it never will.  You can only beat it back for short periods of time, then it grows again.

[Cuts Crooked]

Ya know, after doing some posting in the politics forum, I have come to one very obvious conclusion that I may have not realized before.  I think I ride the fence between liberalism, and conservatism.  I grew up in a very conservative household and always thought that I was that.  I do believe that my recent interest in politics and finding out what side I fit into most has lead me to forums like these.  Both sides have some views that I whole heartily agree with, and both sides have some views that I whole heartily disagree with. I do believe that I am niether a 100% liberal or a 100% conservative.  How do you categorize a guy who loves guns, accepts abortion, enjoys hunting, and cannot stand the rich getting richer off the middle class? Dukkillr hit it right.  The ability to look at both sides and come to your own conclusions is really what free speach is all about IMO.  And quite frankly, I am glad that we never have to face a reality where one side is gone forever and the reamining side needs to go out and look for something else to place the blame on.

I think you would be called a Moderate.

The reason more of us here are not moderates is because straddling a fence is never comfortable.

[mcwoodduck]

If the world were free of liberals , who would the right wing conservatives blame? Think about it.

Ya know, after doing some posting in the politics forum, I have come to one very obvious conclusion that I may have not realized before.  I think I ride the fence between liberalism, and conservatism.  I grew up in a very conservative household and always thought that I was that.  I do believe that my recent interest in politics and finding out what side I fit into most has lead me to forums like these.  Both sides have some views that I whole heartily agree with, and both sides have some views that I whole heartily disagree with. I do believe that I am niether a 100% liberal or a 100% conservative.  How do you categorize a guy who loves guns, accepts abortion, enjoys hunting, and cannot stand the rich getting richer off the middle class? Dukkillr hit it right.  The ability to look at both sides and come to your own conclusions is really what free speach is all about IMO.  And quite frankly, I am glad that we never have to face a reality where one side is gone forever and the reamining side needs to go out and look for something else to place the blame on.

Swift one,
When you break down liberal VS conservitive there is a clear line.
Conservitives:
People are responsible for their actions.
Taxes are needed but should not be excessive
education is a gift
the Constitution was written that way because it means what is says.
Liberals:
Depends on who you are as to if you are responsible for your actions or not and what the action is.
Taxes must always be increased!  They can not answer what percentage is too much the answer is always more.
Education is a right and we need to teach you to think like a liberal, and not educate you.
the constitution is a living document and it means what we want it to even if it is contrary to the words on the page.  It is more of a guide line than the law of the land. 
I see the difference as Black and white, if you live in the grey area, you really have no convictions or you have not been paying attention.

[SHOOTALL]

If the world were free of liberals , who would the right wing conservatives blame? Think about it.

 
with them gone would there be a need for blame ?

[BUGEYE]

mcwoodduck,  that was good.

[Swift One]

OK.  Maybe I am getting republicans and democrats confused with liberals and conservatives.  Is there a such thing as a conservative democrat or a liberal republican?  Because I have seen both sides of what you wrote in both parties.  I cant help but agree and disagree with some topics in each side

[guzzijohn]

Quote from mcwoodduck:
"Before the liberals of the 60's and 70's the country ran OK."


It sure did, blatant racism, even worse judicial system than we have now especially in the south, rampant pollution, higher workplace deaths and job discrimination, discrimination against women, much more unsafe vehicles, people getting life sentences for simple marijuana possession, spousal abuse kept under the table, do I need to go on? Much of this was improved by the forces of those 60s and 70s "liberals".
GuzziJohn

[SHOOTALL]

Quote from mcwoodduck:
"Before the liberals of the 60's and 70's the country ran OK."


It sure did, blatant racism,true in some places but today it still exist and in more places ! don't let the cloke of political correctness fool you . The dumbing down of America is better ? even worse judicial system than we have now especially in the south,that said there was less crime I don't see the problem in the same light you do rampant pollution,in some places but it was replaced at the cost of lost jobs and lower lifestyle . In reality we only shipped both wealth and pollution off shore higher workplace deaths true but instead of fixing the problem jobs were sent off shore once more and a dept was set up that has caused trouble as much as good ( and yes alot of good has been done )and job discrimination,fixed at the expence of those who were best suited for the job often passed over in order to meet a qouta that was unrealistic discrimination against women,There are more women in worst shape today than years ago. So not sure they as a group benifited much more unsafe vehicles,Yes true but the building of vehicles passed the point of being safe and has gone on to extra expence to meet some govt mandate with out reguard for cost people getting life sentences for simple marijuana possession, In some cases it might be justified , spousal abuse kept under the table,It still is in to many cases do I need to go on? Much of this was improved by the forces of those 60s and 70s "liberals"Who did in fact do some good things but in most all cases went to far and made matters worst than they were for more people. .
GuzziJohn

[powderman]

If the world were free of liberals , who would the right wing conservatives blame? Think about it.

 
with them gone would there be a need for blame ?

 
SHOOTALL. Good point and true. Without libs babies would be safe, homosexuals would still be in their respective closets, the aclu would have crawled back under their rock, and our gun rights would not be in jeopardy, we could actually buy 1 thru the mail like we used to do. I could go one about how justice would still be part of our legal system but I believe you get my drift. POWDERMAN. 

[mcwoodduck]

Quote from mcwoodduck:
"Before the liberals of the 60's and 70's the country ran OK."


It sure did, blatant racism, even worse judicial system than we have now especially in the south, rampant pollution, higher workplace deaths and job discrimination, discrimination against women, much more unsafe vehicles, people getting life sentences for simple marijuana possession, spousal abuse kept under the table, do I need to go on? Much of this was improved by the forces of those 60s and 70s "liberals".
GuzziJohn

OK the Racism you have me, I do know it was People like Al Gore Sr. Democrat that fought the civil rights movement in the senate during that time along with Fullbright and it took every Republican voting for it to pass it for LBJ to sign.  I mention Gore Sr, and Fullbright as Clinton said both were his roll models.
If we still had the Life sentance for pot would we have the drug problem we have now?  Would the gangs be as prevelant, would the cartels of Mexico be there? 
Spouce abuse used to be handled by the Father and brothers of the wife, You hit my daughter / sister and Bang zoom.
Now it is assault.  Same with the scatter gun fixing an irresponsible young man.
The social liberals through out history that want ot use other people's money to change the world have done nothing ot improve the society all they have done is end it.
 

[KIMBER45]

If the world were free of liberals , who would the right wing conservatives blame? Think about it.

Probably the apolitical poor.  But this is a two way street.  If the world were free of conservatives who would the liberals blame?  Probably the apolitical wealthy.  And here's the thing, both would have some point.  Neither "Team" is always right, or always wrong.  The only thing I can guarantee is that if you find a guy who always toes the party (regardless of party) line, you've found a guy who is too lazy to think for himself.

I agree.

[bilmac]

Who was that democrat guy? Died last year?  Big super honcho in the KKK. It was Republicans who passed the civil rights act. I hate it when history gets re-witten so soon after it was made, can't people remember even that far correctly. Minorities vote liberal because liberals give them money.

[DDZ]

If the world were free of conservatives, there would be no rich people, because the liberals thought of utopia is that everyone is equal. No one wins and no one fails.
Of coarse this idea never has worked and never will work.
Wonder what our Constitution would have looked like if the framers were liberals instead of conservatives? I would bet a couple pay checks that we would never have become a Republic. At the least it would have been mob rule. With no republic we never would have had a limited government with its powers divided between three separate branches, Executive, Legislative, and Judicial.
Conservatives know they have it right, Liberals think they have it right, and moderates don't have an idea whats right.

[mcwoodduck]

Who was that democrat guy? Died last year?  Big super honcho in the KKK. It was Republicans who passed the civil rights act. I hate it when history gets re-witten so soon after it was made, can't people remember even that far correctly. Minorities vote liberal because liberals give them money.

Senator Byrd from West Virginia.
Voilated US law and State law by naming things he got federal funding for after himself.

[Cuts Crooked]

OK.  Maybe I am getting republicans and democrats confused with liberals and conservatives.  Is there a such thing as a conservative democrat or a liberal republican?  Because I have seen both sides of what you wrote in both parties.  I cant help but agree and disagree with some topics in each side

I donno, Swift One. I see people claiming to be conservative republicans who support positions I would not touch, Romney, gun laws, and Health Care come to mind there.

At the same time I know some liberal democrats who own guns....ok, ok, I know A liberal democrat who owns guns.

The conservative ideology has long been identified as a republican position, but I honestly don't consider many republicans conservative. And some claim to be moderate republicans.

The Liberal mind set seems to be the perview of the democrats, though many will try to make the case that they are moderates too.

Seems like I recall that Wikipedia has a pretty extensive treatise on the subject somewhere, for what it's worth.

[teamnelson]

If the world were free of liberals , who would the right wing conservatives blame? Think about it.

Interesting question, worthy of further scientific inquiry to determine the correct hypothesis.

[BUGEYE]

OK.  Maybe I am getting republicans and democrats confused with liberals and conservatives.  Is there a such thing as a conservative democrat or a liberal republican?  Because I have seen both sides of what you wrote in both parties.  I cant help but agree and disagree with some topics in each side

I donno, Swift One. I see people claiming to be conservative republicans who support positions I would not touch, Romney, gun laws, and Health Care come to mind there.

At the same time I know some liberal democrats who own guns....ok, ok, I know A liberal democrat who owns guns.

The conservative ideology has long been identified as a republican position, but I honestly don't consider many republicans conservative. And some claim to be moderate republicans.

The Liberal mind set seems to be the perview of the democrats, though many will try to make the case that they are moderates too.

Seems like I recall that Wikipedia has a pretty extensive treatise on the subject somewhere, for what it's worth.

I demand a link

[mcwoodduck]

If the world were free of liberals , who would the right wing conservatives blame? Think about it.

Interesting question, worthy of further scientific inquiry to determine the correct hypothesis.

I like your way of thinking!
We can already look to Cuba, Greece, Sapin, and Portigal to see the effect of liberalism on a society.  We can also look at the bank accounts of the Occupy movement that started with 600,000 and is down to 30,000 last report  and they are amazed that it has gone so fast. 
Imagine that, all drains on the bank account and no one producing money to add to it and having to wait for a hand out to fill it back up.  Change the the hand out to demanding that others Pay their "fair share" and you have liberals in government.
 
 

[nw_hunter]

If the world were free of liberals , who would the right wing conservatives blame? Think about it.

Ya know, after doing some posting in the politics forum, I have come to one very obvious conclusion that I may have not realized before.  I think I ride the fence between liberalism, and conservatism.  I grew up in a very conservative household and always thought that I was that.  I do believe that my recent interest in politics and finding out what side I fit into most has lead me to forums like these.  Both sides have some views that I whole heartily agree with, and both sides have some views that I whole heartily disagree with. I do believe that I am niether a 100% liberal or a 100% conservative.  How do you categorize a guy who loves guns, accepts abortion, enjoys hunting, and cannot stand the rich getting richer off the middle class? Dukkillr hit it right.  The ability to look at both sides and come to your own conclusions is really what free speach is all about IMO.  And quite frankly, I am glad that we never have to face a reality where one side is gone forever and the reamining side needs to go out and look for something else to place the blame on.

Some on the forum have described you as being a Moderate Republican. You sound to me, more like a Republican with Libertarian leanings!A big segment of the Republican party were Libertarian leaning at one time. "Barry Goldwater comes to mind"When Goldwater ran for president there was still support in the GOP for Constitutional thinkers.
The Libertarian Republicans have become scarce as hen's teeth, and have been slowly replaced by Neo-Cons.Ron Paul is from the Libertarian group, and some of us old Republicans and a huge portion of the young voters are seeing the need for the resurrection of them.


Both the Republican and Democrat parties leaders are drifting away from governing from the Constitution.Each blaming the other for all the country's ill's.They are both equally to blame IMO!
Actually, they know exactly what they are doing, and that's playing the American voters as the suckers we've been. A moderate Republican is just another Liberal.........You don't sound at all like that to me.

[Cuts Crooked]

I demand a link

Here's a couple.......bearing in mind that Wiki is not touted as "the greatest source"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

[Cuts Crooked]

.....and a couple more that may be more pertinant to this conversation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_the_United_States

As one can easily see from these wiki articles, the definitions of both liberalism and conservatisism are varied and even a bit slippery.

[BUGEYE]

I demand a link

Here's a couple.......bearing in mind that Wiki is not touted as "the greatest source"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

I only use wiki when it agrees with my agenda    wikipedia is some folks who enter what they please, whether true or not.