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Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« on: February 18, 2012, 04:24:00 AM »
http://www.wave3.com/story/16956535/two-injured-after-pit-bull-attacks-owner-while-driving-down-the-road
 
 
 
I've never trusted this kind of dog. This was her dog in her pickup truck. I've never understood why people take their dogs along like they were their kids. Dogs belong at home. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 04:32:40 AM »
some people will never learn.  a lot of pitbulls are ticking time-bombs.
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Re: Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 04:33:37 AM »
I really dont like these dogs, but I dont want to get into it.  ::)

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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2012, 04:40:34 AM »
While I think the breed itself has some traits that are more likely to lead it to aggression than say, a lab.. in the end its all in how you raise them. I have a 13lb mini-pin and a 50lb pit bull and let me tell you, this mini pin is a bitch from hell..she has growled and bared her teeth at us. The pit-bull is a big baby, never shows aggression and will just lay there while she gets bitten by the other one. This is my first experience owning a pit bull and as of right now, I have nothing bad to say about the breed.

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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2012, 04:47:21 AM »
While I think the breed itself has some traits that are more likely to lead it to aggression than say, a lab.. in the end its all in how you raise them. I have a 13lb mini-pin and a 50lb pit bull and let me tell you, this mini pin is a bitch from hell..she has growled and bared her teeth at us. The pit-bull is a big baby, never shows aggression and will just lay there while she gets bitten by the other one. This is my first experience owning a pit bull and as of right now, I have nothing bad to say about the breed.
If I had a dog that bared his teeth at me, the first time would get him a good whipping, the next time he would be executed.  my wifes poodle tries at times to be the alpha and being only 10lbs, it usually turns out bad for him.
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Re: Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2012, 05:17:12 AM »
She got a whoopin' (actually more than once), she is a pound rescue and we are still working on her.  It sucks getting a dog that was raised by someone else and you have no idea how they were treated and what to expect. We just dont have the time to train a puppy otherwise we would have gone that route in a heartbeat.

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Re: Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2012, 05:20:32 AM »
Sad situation. Some people shouldn't have dogs or children.

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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2012, 05:25:15 AM »
I donno, perhaps the breed has been changed by selective breeding ???

When I was a child there were several pits in one neighborhood I lived in, they ran free, played with us kids, and were just good all around dogs, never a problem with any of them that I can recall.

I have fond memories of being in games of tag, and one of the dogs would get involved, which meant if it caught you, you got bowled over and licked/slobbered on! :o ;D
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Re: Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2012, 05:29:30 AM »
She got a whoopin' (actually more than once), she is a pound rescue and we are still working on her.  It sucks getting a dog that was raised by someone else and you have no idea how they were treated and what to expect. We just dont have the time to train a puppy otherwise we would have gone that route in a heartbeat.
I understand that. my wifes dog apparently spent most of his life on the road and cannot be off the leash unless he's fenced it.  otherwise, he's long gone.
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Re: Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2012, 05:32:15 AM »
I donno, perhaps the breed has been changed by selective breeding ???

When I was a child there were several pits in one neighborhood I lived in, they ran free, played with us kids, and were just good all around dogs, never a problem with any of them that I can recall.

I have fond memories of being in games of tag, and one of the dogs would get involved, which meant if it caught you, you got bowled over and licked/slobbered on! :o ;D
I think dog-fighting folks are probably to blame for changing the breed.
pits are used in hog hunting but I haven't heard many bad things from them.
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Re: Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2012, 11:34:42 AM »
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I think dog-fighting folks are probably to blame for changing the breed.
pits are used in hog hunting but I haven't heard many bad things from them.

I agree, because of the history of this breed it unfortunately tends to attract a lot of "tough guy" types who raise the dogs in their own perceived image which only perpetuates the problem. I've known a few nice pits with good owners and lots of bad pits with white trash owners.
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Re: Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2012, 11:58:43 AM »
  I have a never who has had several. Only problem we ever had was a goat charged one :o  It was bad for the goat. By the time I was able to get the goat free, he had big gashes, but lived. Then the goat headed back for more. I caught him before he got to the dog ::) 
 The one he has now and has had since she was a pup. It is the most lovable dog you ever met. It will actually lay down if another dog comes at her. She listens better than our 3 kids ever did ;D
 
 I think that the ones raised for fighting have gave them a bad name. There are dog attacks all the time. It just that some owners solve the problem when it is needed.
 
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2012, 12:03:58 PM »
A lady friend of mine has two of them, they have been to obedience school and she works from home so spends plenty of time working with them, they have numerious awards and are the best behaved dogs I have ever seen.... but I wouldn't want to try and hit her ;D
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Re: Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2012, 12:59:52 PM »
In the 70s I had a neighbor with a female pitt.  when they took a trip, I took care of the dog. she just wanted to play, but she was so strong I could barely handle her.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2012, 01:24:39 PM »
Poopers.  National insurance reports show the Lab is responsible for more bite than any other breed.  I have raised and trained dogs for years, at one time I had as many as 40 German Shepard’s  in training.  We were training for police during the late sixties, the dogs were used primarily for crowd control.

I am convinced there are no bad dogs, only bad owners.  A person that takes a dog such as a Shepard, Rot, Pit or any other large breed and doesn’t provide the training to socialize the animal, not only with people, but with other animals, has done the dog and society an injustice. Speaking from experience, a well trained dog is a pleasure to own, an untrained dog is a menace to all who come in contact with it.

Bottom line, your just cant take (buy/adopt) a dog take it home and throw it in the back yard, or worst yet, chain it up and expect it to conform to the expectations of a civilized society.  If you can’t provide the training, food and shelter, and medical attention then you don’t need a dog!!!

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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2012, 02:18:26 PM »
I have had two full blooded pits they were great dogs.I truelly think it how there brought up.I now have a pit/walker and he is a greeat dog but very protective of  the wife,wich is fine by me as we are in pillbilly central.
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2012, 05:24:49 PM »
My current view, they all need to be shot.  Period

As a kid growing up my Grandpa had Pitts, but they were not allowed near the house.  They lived at the barn, period.  One came to the house it got a whipping.  Second time shot.  They were trained to move cattle up chutes and into trucks.  Don't care how mean a Bull was three of those dogs work him over and he jumped into the truck.  They also killed any stray dog that came onto the property.  That was their job and they knew it.  If us kids were going to the barn, my Grandpa would lock the Pitts in a stall, he did not trust them around kids.

I was working one night at Ft Wainwright.  Two Pitts lived next door to the apt where I was working.  The owner was not home, and the dogs were upset I was there.  The dogs tore through the wall, sheet rock and wood lathe, to get to me.  I climbed up on the pipes in the ceiling.  Dogs could not reach me, but they were trying.  I called the Alarm Room at the Fire Dept, who was also the 911 dispatcher.  He called the MPs.  When the MPs opened the door, the dogs went after them.  One shotgun blast took care of the problem.  A week later MPs caught a Pitt running loose.  They put it in the back of their Full Size Chevy Blazer.  The dog tore down the barrier between the back area and the front seat.  The dog then continued to tear up all the upholstery, the dash, and door covering.  The dog litterly distroyed the inside of the vehicle.  Post Commander banned Pitts from Post.  Gave all owners one week to get rid of dogs or move off post.

One afternoon I went to the grocery store in North Pole.  As I came out, there was a Pitt in a new Chevy Pick-up that was parked next to my truck, right in front of the store exit door.  As I was getting into my truck I could tell the dog was staring at me, and I could hear him growling.  After I got into my truck, I turned and made eye contact with the dog.  We stared at each other for maybe 3 seconds, then the dog came unglued.  The dog hit the window, then went to digging with it's front feet and tore the door panel off.  Then I saw pieces of the seat flying, as it was trying to push the door open.  Other people walking by looked in from the drivers side, drawn by the commotion.  The dog went after them on that side.  Again tearing up the door panel and seat.  I backed out of my space and the dog was back on my side of the Chevy.  As I drove away here came the owner running out.  The dog hit the window trying to get to the owner.  The owner backed up and left the door closed.  I parked and walked back telling the owner what had happened.  No one had been teasing the dog, or bothering him.  I had just got into my truck, and apparently he did not like me being so close.  Just when it looked like the dog was settling down someone would walk out of the store and he went off all over again.  The interior of that new truck was totally destroyed.   I left, later I heard the owner had someone drag the truck away from the store, so the dog would settle down.   Saw that dog a few weeks later chained to a tree in the yard of a house we suspected of being a crack house.  One day as I was leaving and driving by the house I saw the dog running down the street dragging the chain.  I called 911 and reported it.  They asked me to follow the dog and let animal control know where it went.  I followed it down the street about two blocks.  It went up a drive, fatal mistake on his part.  Property owner stepped out with a 12ga, end of story. 
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2012, 11:42:35 PM »
  I have never had a problem with dogs. I like them more than i like most people. The guy that does the work on my car has a pit. He keeps it in the office. When i am there i go in the office and set with old Frank the pit. He wants to set on my lap. I have done this for at least 5 years now. No problems at all. Most people are afraid of him. The girl that worked where i use to eat lunch raised Rotts. I asked if i could stop over sometime and look at her dogs. She said she was off work the next day to stop then. I did. Went in the kitchen and set down. She said she had a 3 year old female she would bring in. Told me do not touch her. She hates men. The Rott comes in and puts her feet on my leg. I thought what the heck. I rubbed her head a little. Was told never seen her like that before. Take her home with you. Great dog. Had her 5 years when she died of a heart attack. A few months later i bought a Rott pup. Very friendly dog. If i went out and got in the truck she would jump in the front seat and go with me. Didn't have a mean bone in her body. Told the story on here once before how she saved my butt at 2:30 one morning. The 2 guys prowling around my house decided the didn't like the looks of her teeth. That was the only time she ever showed any aggression toward anyone. Sorry for the long post but i just can't blame the dog or the breed of dog. Maybe i have just been lucky. :-\
 

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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2012, 12:08:12 AM »
as doublebass said, so-called tough guys have pitts, around here it's black people.
having been around this old world a long time, I'll say that most dogs take on the personallity of the owner.
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2012, 02:12:59 AM »
Dogs belong at home. POWDERMAN.  :o :o


Yesterday I took the dog along with my kids. Dog had a great time. Nothing wrong with taking the dog along. He's a Jack Russell, FWIW.


I've prejudice against Pits, can't help it... but I've know a couple recently that were fine dogs. Only dog that ever attacked me was a dacshund (I was ten) and a mastiff (that was last winter in California).


Someone said Labs do the most biting. There's a reason for that - they're far more common dogs. I suspect if you looked at number of fatal attacks or those requiring hospitalization, proportionate to number of dogs... Pits would move up in the ranking, dramatically.
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2012, 04:13:28 AM »
My thoughts about owning any kind of dog, or having any animal around that could hurt someone is, why take the chance that the dog might go ape$#it and cause you a huge liability?  There are enough things you can be sued for without adding to the list.  I have nothing against dogs, but I just don't want to deal with the issues.  Mostly I love OP dogs (other peoples)--unless they get in my back yard and take a dump, or chase me when I'm on my bike, or throw sand on, or piss on one of my kayaks when it's sitting on the beach.
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Re: Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2012, 05:48:08 AM »
Dogs belong at home. POWDERMAN.  :o :o

Someone said Labs do the most biting. There's a reason for that - they're far more common dogs. I suspect if you looked at number of fatal attacks or those requiring hospitalization, proportionate to number of dogs... Pits would move up in the ranking, dramatically.

Exactly, if you look at percentages pit bulls and rottweilers are at the top of of list for attacks and bites, per number of dogs.
I also am not found of the pit bull breed. The breed does not carry the name for no reason. Pit bulls are the number one chosen dog for dog fighting, because they are a breed that will continue fighting or attacking even after a lot of injury. They have been known to continue fighting even with broken legs. Pit bulls were bread to fight and it is one of their instincts, I don't care how it was raised. They are very strong dogs for their size, with powerful jaws, and their instinct is to not stop until what they are attacking quits or is dead. 
Its like my border collie shepard mix. This dogs border collie instincts are so prevalent, no matter what I do, or how it was raised, you are not going to remove those instincts from the dog. They are instincts that are bread into the dog.
I would never own a pit bull, and I would never let my kids around one. I don't care how docile it may seem, or how docile the owner says it is. I'm not implying that there are no docile pit bulls, but because of how they have been bread, when I'm around one my hand is on the butt of my revolver. Most of the time when a pit bull attacks the only way you will stop it is to kill it. With all the breeds of dogs that there are, I wonder the reason for wanting to own one. Just because of what they are, and the potential for them to attack and kill is much higher than for other dogs.             
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2012, 05:50:25 AM »
Sourdough said........ As a kid growing up my Grandpa had Pitts, but they were not allowed near the house.  They lived at the barn, period.  One came to the house it got a whipping.  Second time shot.


What do you expect from a dog never socialized?
Socializing any dog at an early age is the important key, if you want it to behave around animals and people.This pertains to any breed! The Pitt is more likely to be aggressive to animals because of genetic makeup. They were fighting dogs orig.Most of them that showed aggression toward people were killed and not allowed to breed.Problem with the Pitt's, Rot's and those type breeds, in the hands of people with no clue about raising dogs, is they have the potential to be very dangerous.


We have had Katie a Stafford shire Terrier (Pitt Bull) since she was a baby. Not my decision to get this dog, but it happened. I have raised and trained Lab's for many years and pretty much did the puppy training part the same way with her. She was introduced to people at a very early age and lot's of them.Same with animals!She has never been aggressive with anyone. If another dog attacks her, she will fight back.She loves to play keep away with the GK's and wrestle with them.When they play fight, she bites them and looks fierce.Never breaks the skin!


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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2012, 08:23:40 AM »



  showed aggression toward people were killed and not allowed to breed.                                                                                         

 
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2012, 10:07:01 AM »
Any breed can get aggressive, just some more than others.

When we moved back to Alaska, and the wife had retired from the AF we decided to get a dog.  My wife had a Beagle before she left home, so I thought she would appreciate having one.  So when a guy advertised his Beagle had pups and they were free to a good home we called and drove to his house.  When we got there we saw the Mother dog and she was a beautiful little 13" Beagle.  The three pups were all Black and White, looking like a Springer Spaniel coloration.  The owner said his Beagle had got loose, and was found with the neighbors Springer Spaniel.  Hence the free puppies.  We took both males.  Sky named them Bert and Ernie.

We got them home, and treated them just alike.  We raised them around us and all of Sky's friends were always coming over playing with them.  But when they were about a year old Bert started getting aggressive with strangers.  One night he bit one of the wife's friends when she came in the front door.  As time went by Bert got more aggressive, and we had to keep him locked up when people came over. 

The only person Bert ever accepted was my Granddaughter Cheyanne.  When Chy was 18 months her Father left the door open and Chy got into the laundry room with the dogs.  When the wife realized Chy was missing she panicked, when she got to the laundry room there sat the dogs, one on each side of Chy.  Chy had a package of rice cakes, she would take one out, take a bite then give it to one of the dogs.  They would gently take it from her little hand, eat it then lick her face.  Later when Kirk scolded Chy, Bert got between him and Chy and growled, letting Kirk know he was not going to let him touch Chy.  He was going to protect that little girl.  Now as for Ernie, did not matter who you were Ernie would lick you to death.  Ernie would welcome anyone into the house, friend or foe alike.

After Bert passed away, Ernie suddenly took on Berts persona, and became really aggressive.  He now was the protector of our house, and would not let any stranger in the house.  Ernie had to be locked away when someone came over.  But with Me, the Wife, and Sky they were loveable, cuddly, friends till the end.     

I still don't like Pitts, Rotties, and Dobermans.  We're thinking of getting another dog.  Sky wants a Walker, I want a Schnauser, the Wife wants a Jack Russel.  Guess it will be a while before we get another dog.
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2012, 05:46:26 PM »
all pitts must die.   you get half as much experience with them as i have had, you will think the same thing.

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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2012, 06:13:42 PM »
myronman3:  I agree about the Pitts.  The breed has been selectively bred for fighting and to be aggressive for too long.

When I was a kid growing up in the Tennessee hills, all the men would go to the General Store on Saturdays to find out what was going on in the world.  Sometimes they would bring a dog, usually a Pitt.  First dog that arrived would go around marking everything in sight, then go lay down.  Then another dog would arrive.  New arrival would start marking the same areas.  First dog would come out barking and threatening.  If the owners did not want them to fight they would chain them up.  But sometimes the owners had a tiff going, and the fight was on.  Fight was usually to the death of one, sometimes both dogs.  One might survive the fight, but it would be so tore up everyone knew it was going to die.  So the owner would drag it off up the road, shoot it, and dump it in the ditch.  Or put it in the wagon, and get rid of it on the way home.

Sometimes my Grandpa's dogs won, sometimes they lost.  (I did a lot of crying over dead dogs)  One in particular was the victor of many fights.  His end came when he met a rabid fox.
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Re: Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2012, 03:46:56 AM »
EXTERMINATE THEM ALL!!!

Heck, they want to outlaw guns but if they do, they'll never be able to control the criminals that have them.  With pits, even the law abiding citizen can't control them.  I'm shocked that no government entities have ever tried to "control" these.

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Re: Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2012, 04:39:55 AM »
Sometimes I think the pit bull is like the SUV of the canine world: Much maligned by the press, but having enough utility to make them quite popular.
 
What are the benefits of pit bulls? They must be popular for a reason.
 
And are they really that much of a problem? If they are, let's see some numbers.
 
My recollection, from having been bit by dogs a few times, is that mutts have caused me the most trouble. Not necessarily because they were mutts but because they were allowed to run free outside of a yard or a house, where they could chase and bit kids on bikes, for example.
 
I've known a couple of people with pit bulls and they kept them very much under control. Fenced. Trained. Etc.
 
The only think I learned from a pit bull owner was that the dog only recognizes one master, and the master has to be very dominant. One guy would discipine the dog by hitting it pretty hard on the hind end with a black jack. The dog seemed to thrive on it because it was very loyal and never cringed when it knew a hit was coming.

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Re: Another pit bull attack, woman may lose arm.
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2012, 06:46:05 AM »
i have killed more pitbulls than i have cats....and i have killed alot of cats.