New preparedness show

[Bugflipper]

A buddy of mine told me about a show called Doomsday Preppers http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/doomsday-preppers/  that comes on Tuesday at 9 pm Eastern on the National Geographic channel. He said he was able to watch them on youtube to catch up. I put them on the dvr and they are playing them quite a bit so it caught up to the 4 or 5 episodes that have already aired in just a few days.


The basis is someone say; is preparing for what they feel is an impending risk, a super volcano, economic meltdown, EMP, or whatever. They show what provisions they have made to make it through their version of what they believe the impending doom will be. Then at the end it will give a very short assessment of how effective their plan is and recommendations of a direction they need to go to improve upon it.
 Sorry if this has already been brought up in another forum. There are too many forums for me to be able to keep up with on GBO here lately.

[BUGEYE]

everyone should watch it.  sadly, most people label us as nutcases.
of course us nutcases will have something to eat if the SHTF.

[efremtags]

I cant take this show seriously. If your that serious about surviving WWIII, why broadcast to the world who you are and what you will do.

There was an episode the other day with some old fat guy who hoards 20 years worth of food. He's got an old garand, and a lot of food stored in 40' ISO CONTAINER. First thing thats gonna happen is a group of guys a lot younger and better equiped are going to overun this guy and take all this supplies. He practically provided the world blueprints to his house and plans.

[tacklebury]

Thanks for the heads up.  Hadn't seen it.    Never know, might get some good ideas.  I'd not broadcast all my specifics either, but if I can learn something, I'll watch. 

[keith44]

caught a piece of a show, or an ad not sure which.  Seems too much hollywood hype has been put into the script.  Most of those appearing on the show come off as paranoid idiots.  I think it is a black eye to those of us who are serious about not relying on government rescues, or outside help to survive day to day, let alone those who prepare for disasters intelligently.

[sturgeonhunter]

those people are idiots the only thing they done was put a giant bullseye on themselves.

[Pat/Rick]

efremtags, roger that! though the show may provide info for some, it is punching holes in their operational security by providing a closed circuit recon for the rest of the world.
 
The folks shooting 22LR at the corner of their container, if they got any sense of security by that, well, God love 'em. 7.62 ball ammo should pierce it easily, containers are what? 3/16"-1/4" steel walls?

[Duke0313]

I've watched a few episodes, just to see if there's any useful info I can use.

[Couger]

Sorry if this has already been brought up in another forum. There are too many forums for me to be able to keep up with on GBO here lately.

Hey!  When was the last time that old adage was spoken about
"There's no such thing as a dumb question!"?
 
I brought up the subject of bear pistols in one of the last threads I started, that some eastern nimrod got pzzed about!
 
I'd tell him where to go, 'cept the moderators don't like that kinda exchange.     
 
Whatever you want to discuss or bring up, PLEASE do so!  Besides sharing and exchanging ideas and experiences,  its been my observation that GBO is also a 'learning place.'  Someone doesn't like what another brings up, tough!  Chances are likely that someone else besides yourself also has similar questions or hasn't learned "everything" about the subject at hand.
 
That said ......
 
Not sure Ive seen much from that National Geogrphic show, but if i did, the show-episode I saw looked silly and bit hokey!  What I mean by that is ..... is a couple things!
 
A lot of 'reality T.V.' I think is about networks and producers looking for sensationism and ratings when they film "newbies" trying to learn how to do something
 
 NEW and [ VERY IMPORTANT!] "things", that they haven't done before!
 
For example,  I saw the beginnings of a show where the father wanted everyone in his family to learn how to make gun powder and moonshine!  Not sure of his rationale and 'methodology' and "thinking," but the left-wing media loves to portray folks not like them as idiots!
 
Some [programs I like (and have learned a lot from) is "Dual Survival," and also another survival program I like is the one where a husband and wife team work together.
 
Plus a couple years ago there was a show about various city slickers thrown together as 'squads' or teams in Alaska.  Only saw a few episodes of that one, but it promoted gun usage and ownership, and the one team that was making some headway was actually killing and collecting several small game to ffed themselves! 
 
I was sorry to see the series cancelled.
 
The program with Bear Grillis I think shows an enthusiastic guy who FAILS ALOT!
 
Grillis doesn't impress me in the least!! 
 
Whether another show or series (since 'Survivorman') has been done professionally to do more than just survive, I'm not aware!
 
Digressing .....
 
Several years ago there was a fellow named Mark Koernke who did some VHS films on some preparedness precautions to take, as well as how to equip and arm a family if not elements of a militia.  I think his material is worth looking at, altho he's possibly still in prison.  He was affiliated with one of the Michigan militias, but wasn't a total crank.  [/color]If you are lucky enough to find his stuff, consider it!
 
[/color]I think anyone should look at many sources, including books! 
 
For preparedness stuff, Carla Emory's stuff is extensive and well explained (several book titles), in her "Encyclopedia of Country Living."  That book discusses many of the items the Mormon Church might can direct you too (home canning is one example).
 
Hope I've helped a little!

[Couger]

those people are idiots the only thing they done was put a giant bullseye on themselves.

Definitely a big PLUS ONE on that one!

[Lloyd Smale]

just another reality show like survivor. I was hoping for more. Figured a guy might pick up an idea or two but when the idiot shot himself in the hand with his handgun and passed out from the sight of it i knew then there was no hope for the show.

[Lost Farmboy]

 
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[BUGEYE]

I've watched a few episodes, just to see if there's any useful info I can use.

that's me too.  I'm just looking for tips, not auditioning for a future episode.

[Bugflipper]

It may be a douchbag approach, but so far I like the show to watch a narrow minded viewpoint and see the holes in their plans. Maybe to learn from other's mistakes I suppose. On one of them they were growing about 2 acres worth of vegetables on 1/10th acre. The "experts" commended them on their food sustainability. Intensive planting requires quite a bit of water and fertilizer. They lived in CA I believe, so little rainfall. Were in a suburb, no mention of a pond, creek river or anything near by. Their food supply would go belly up quick when the water quit flowing through the faucet and there was no place to buy commercial fertilizer. If they had enough area, proper rainfall or the ability to irrigate and an organic source to feed the plants things would be different.


With the show on the black fireman trying to come up with a plan to protect his family in NY city; I felt sad for him. Every law abiding citizen should have the ability to own a firearm to protect their family. It is a disgrace that our govt has made the law abiding citizens in major cities sheep to be prayed upon by the wolves.
 He was doing the best he could in learning knife fighting techniques. Sadly the knives they showed him having were ss fantasy knives and not really a good fighting knife to begin with. But if a bg had a gun and the intent to use it, it really wouldn't matter much what type of knife he had. Couldn't quite figure out what the broken glass at the door was for. I guess barefoot robbers? But looking at his plans, what it all boiled down to was a father trying to look out for his family and at least he was trying to do something I guess.


I live in a very rural area, to me it's interesting to view a city person's mindset. Also I was under the assumption that preparedness was to be able to adapt to changing conditions and hopefully have a more positive outcome than the masses. Not to prep for a single phenomenon? No doubt they will have something new for viewers to learn and a lot to show folks what not to do. If nothing else they are giving the state, city and name of the people. It's not hard to find addresses online. Could be a cache waiting for you if they are near. 


 I guess it's like the survival shows. I used to watch the Les Stroud(?) and Bear Grills shows to see what not to do. I got tired of seeing the one whining about being cold, lonely and starving and the other running through the woods wide open, sliding down mountains, jumping from heights into water and drinking piss. Maybe this one will keep my interest longer. If nothing else I learned that coating an egg in oil and keeping in a cool place will let it keep for 8-12 months. I feed them back to the animals after a couple of weeks now. So I can change that and keep some stored up and feed them in the winter when their laying is more spotty.

[keith44]

It may be a douchbag approach, but so far I like the show to watch a narrow minded viewpoint and see the holes in their plans. Maybe to learn from other's mistakes I suppose.


 On one of them they were growing about 2 acres worth of vegetables on 1/10th acre. The "experts" commended them on their food sustainability. Intensive planting requires quite a bit of water and fertilizer. They lived in CA I believe, so little rainfall. Were in a suburb, no mention of a pond, creek river or anything near by. Their food supply would go belly up quick when the water quit flowing through the faucet and there was no place to buy commercial fertilizer. If they had enough area, proper rainfall or the ability to irrigate and an organic source to feed the plants things would be different.


... Every law abiding citizen should have the ability to own a firearm to protect their family. It is a disgrace that our govt has made the law abiding citizens in major cities sheep to be prayed upon by the wolves

I live in a very rural area, to me it's interesting to view a city person's mindset. ...

Oh where to start...


YUP!!! them city folk just don't think like country folk do, and a prime example is the so called sustainable food garden when they had to buy water and fertilizer.  Instead of taking notes from the sustenance farmers of the late 1800's and early 1900's when it was grow enough or starve, they read a book and do something half way right, but instead of sustainable they get high input for decreasing output.  We call em dumb azzez!!  I find that level of self deception somewhat disgusting.  I get down right intolerant when one of them tries to tell me how I could do better. 


As to the firearms laws and the intent of our government, remember even Hitler was pro gun control laws.  The only thing I could recommend for the individual is to leave those states with high taxes and oppressive gun laws (funny how they are mostly one in the same ain't it).  Free men are welcomed in free states, communists and socialists do not fare so well.


I guess my biggest problem with the show is the dumbing down effect, much like we see in public (government run) schools.  If the successes of the best and brightest are ignored and the below average is sensationalized and "made to feel good about what should be called failure" where does that leave us?  That leaves us with the dumbest and most unqualified ready to take the reigns.   
 
sleep well

[Duke0313]

just another reality show like survivor. I was hoping for more. Figured a guy might pick up an idea or two but when the idiot shot himself in the hand with his handgun and passed out from the sight of it i knew then there was no hope for the show.

I saw that too and had to laugh...I felt bad about it afterward, but I had to laugh! Fool near shot his thumb off!

[Lost Farmboy]

just another reality show like survivor. I was hoping for more. Figured a guy might pick up an idea or two but when the idiot shot himself in the hand with his handgun and passed out from the sight of it i knew then there was no hope for the show.

I saw that too and had to laugh...I felt bad about it afterward, but I had to laugh! Fool near shot his thumb off!

 
He did shoot his thumb off. When they sewed it back on half was missing, I'm glad my wife didn't see that. She hates my guns the way it is.

[keith44]

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He did shoot his thumb off. When they sewed it back on half was missing, I'm glad my wife didn't see that. She hates my guns the way it is.

Buy her a .22, and take her shooting a couple times, works about 1/2 the time, and about half of the other half admit that they can see where it is fun. 

[Lost Farmboy]

...
He did shoot his thumb off. When they sewed it back on half was missing, I'm glad my wife didn't see that. She hates my guns the way it is.

Buy her a .22, and take her shooting a couple times, works about 1/2 the time, and about half of the other half admit that they can see where it is fun. 

 
I tried that. Got the 22 with subsonic ammo. One shot. She said it was way too loud and went back into the house. Back to the drawing board.

[Couger]

I tried that. Got the 22 with subsonic ammo. One shot. She said it was way too loud and went back into the house. Back to the drawing board.

That's a real kick in the butt!  LFB.     Hope she supports you with other really important things.     

[keith44]

.22 loaded with sub-sonic's too loud?? really??


Wow!!  Sorry Dude!! Some you just cannot sway.

[SHOOTALL]

The actors most likely are just that. They did present lots of what if's and a bunch of what to do's. The unknown is the problem. None of us knows what will cause us to be in a fight for our lives or what we will be fighting. Many are sure they will stay home and defend it. OK a fire, storm or nuke can change that. Mobs with guns will also. How many live in houses that will stop a 308 bullet ? In most cases three shots in the same place will get you thru a 8" cinder block filled with mortor with a brick veneer on it. Tubs are fiber glass now not cast iron .
But the guy with the fish in the pool and green what ever ....................

[Couger]

The actors most likely are just that. They did present lots of what if's and a bunch of what to do's. The unknown is the problem. None of us knows what will cause us to be in a fight for our lives or what we will be fighting. Many are sure they will stay home and defend it. OK a fire, storm or nuke can change that. Mobs with guns will also. How many live in houses that will stop a 308 bullet ? In most cases three shots in the same place will get you thru a 8" cinder block filled with mortor with a brick veneer on it. Tubs are fiber glass now not cast iron .
But the guy with the fish in the pool and green what ever ....................

I have a copy of the movie "Peacekeeper" with Klooney (not my favorite follyweird puke!) and Keith Urban's wife. 
 
I wasn't at all surprised we were hit 9/11, not that I knew most of the muzzies' grievances at the time.  I'm still learning, but its only a matter of WHEN before something else something more clobbers the USA.  America is just too tempting for even the most cowardly small-time terrorists to always and forever ignore.
 
Too bad there isn't a fast or on-going board for preparedness novels or doomsday reads, to discuss them and whatever 'what-ifs'.  I have 4 volumes of what was supposed to be a 5-volume series written by a fellow who once "pontificated" for Morton Thiokol, a huge Utah defense contractor who makes solid rocket motors.  This author tried to calculate ("imagine") what threats might exist far into the future.  This included new theories scientists and engineers might want to apply their talents.
 
But in those books, the writer wrote about what a Third World War might look like, with domestic terrorism a big part! 
 
The author painted several bleak pictures, attacks;
 
with hispanic gangs setting huge forest fires in Colorado before later staging a huge mall massacre in denver. 
 
And oriental gang (made of chicom students militants) who destroyed several key dams in the Cumberland Valley that cascaded downstream as it gathered momentum wiping out stuff!  Including Sykorski's largest and most important factory that built most military helos of all models.  It got destroyed with all those toolings and die assemblies! 
 
And there was the largest depot of natural gas on the Mississippi river rammed and exploded by Muslum businessmen (sleepers) who'd been U.S. "citizens" for generations.  Its destruction represented 40% of the current USA inventory.
 
Messege me if you want to know the name of that series, although its badly out of date now.

[Dixie Dude]

I have been watching, and have gleened a few ideas.  Two are from the woman in Utah who coated her eggs with mineral oil and they keep 9-12 months.  She also used the red cheese wax to seal up real cheese and it keeps for 25 years.  Both at room temperature.  The cargo containers were a good idea, but I think they need to be sealed with layers of tar and felt paper with drainage around them. Then camo the openings with shrubs bushes, and camo nets.  They would make great long term storage and good bunkers.  One can pick them up for about $2,500-$4,000.  Another if you have to be on the move, is have caches hidden at several locations or storage somewhere rural. 
 
I think most would do well by having a place in the country to be self sufficient by growing their own food and or chickens or other farm animals.  Then getting to know your neighbors, and having some type of communication with them in case the cities vomit out their bad people into the countryside looking for food, so you can ban together to defend against them.  Even as little as 2 acres could feed you with chickens and goats.  Firewood might be a problem long term.  Usually the old rule of 40 acres and a mule apply.  10 acre woodlot, 10 acre pasture/field for hay, 10 acre cash crop, 5 acres for home and outbuildings, and 5 acres for garden, fruit and nut trees. 
 
As far as survival shows go, Man-Woman Wild, to me and my wife, has been the best.  They offer practical ways to survive in wilderness situations, from cold, mountains, plains, temperate forests, deserts, Africa, at sea, etc.  The other good one was dual survival, from a native point of view, to the standard point of view.  I just think the guy who goes barefoot all the time and in sock feet in winter snow is going a bit far for native type survival.  Even Indians used moccosans. 

[Bugflipper]

Dixie Dude if you go looking for cheese wax you may want to get the black. It blocks out more light than red. It's only about $5 a pound and reusable. Less of a chance for mold to grow on the skin under the wax if you plan to store for a long time.

[Lloyd Smale]

I end up with two blocks of cheese every month from neigbors who get food packages and dont eat it. What ive been doing is water bath canning it. Tried pressure canning it but the cheese ended up dark brown and burnt. Melt it in a double boiler. I use a coffee can in a pot of water and keep my coffee can stored in the freezer so i can use it over and over. Melt the cheese in the double boiler then pour it into canning jars leaving about an inch of headspace and process is boiling water for about 45 minutes. I got this advice from a survival fourm. You can also do margerine and butter the same way. With margerine you have to babysit them as they cool and constantly shake them to keep the water mixed in or it will seperate.

Dixie Dude if you go looking for cheese wax you may want to get the black. It blocks out more light than red. It's only about $5 a pound and reusable. Less of a chance for mold to grow on the skin under the wax if you plan to store for a long time.

[Couger]

Regarding survival shows again .....
 
Anyone here remember a program by an Australian named Bob Bredl?
 
The program was called "Killer Instinct." 
 
Used to often feature what he was showing or teaching with bushmen/aboriginies around.
 
Sure he was in Australia and not North America, but I thought Bredl taught A LOT OF VERY GOOD TECHNIQUES AND SKILLS that a thoghtful and adaptive or versatile individual could apply to campcraft and survival in N.A.
 
Of course the plants and animals and any dangers associated with those would be different in America or Canada!  But in a much more mild sort of way methinks!!??
 
Does anyone remember "Killer Instinct?"    
 
I got my idea to put together a 'survival hat' from Bredl, and I never wear hats!
(unless I have to)

[Nutz]

I am  one who over analyze everything (bad habit!).   To me, the show might encourage some to take action who have never thought about it, on the other hand, it does make preppers look like idiots to the majority.   Guy has gun, takes kids to shoot, then shoots own finger off....   I also thought that maybe (BIG maybe), the G-MAN might have put a bug in the producers ear to make us look that way....may have been paid handsomely for it.....  Think about that.   If the show can make us look stupid and a laughing stock~that would make more people NOT prep, leaving more of the goodies for the GOV........ofcourse the GOV gets theirs anyway before any of us....  Just a thought!

[Lloyd Smale]

did you see the hippys dancing in the missle silo! I about fell off my chair laughing when the guy walked over and kissed the other guy!!!!!! got to agree with Nutz. I wonder if he goverment doesnt finance that show to make people frown on neighbors who actually are getting ready for trouble by buying guns and food ect. I cant believe most of the people they have on that show could possibly be dumb enough to actually allow cameras to show how weird they are.

[SHOOTALL]

did you see the hippys dancing in the missle silo! I about fell off my chair laughing when the guy walked over and kissed the other guy!!!!!! got to agree with Nutz. I wonder if he goverment doesnt finance that show to make people frown on neighbors who actually are getting ready for trouble by buying guns and food ect. I cant believe most of the people they have on that show could possibly be dumb enough to actually allow cameras to show how weird they are.

I wonder if alot of shows are ment to get us ready for something or test our reaction maybe even lead us down a path ........... be it loose morals (Murphy Brown) , politicaly correct ( Archie Bunker) or the action shows getting us used to govt. agents violating rights etc.