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They're going bonkers..... again...
« on: February 21, 2012, 09:51:14 AM »
  Some printed junk was left in a building in a base in Afghanistan, so it was cleaned out and burned up.  This happened to include a koran or two and the trash collector found some burned pages in the garbage cans he broke out in a tantrum ...and the silliness expanded.
   http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/21/us-afghanistan-korans-idUSTRE81K09T20120221
  Now. I don't know how they dispose of worn out korans..and I suppose I could get some suggestions here, but doesn't all this nuttiness seem out of order ?
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2012, 10:04:52 AM »
oh well, just another example of arabs acting like idiots.
half of'em will be killed after we leave and the taliban moves back in.
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Re: They're going bonkers..... again...
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2012, 01:04:51 PM »
  Some printed junk was left in a building in a base in Afghanistan, so it was cleaned out and burned up.  This happened to include a koran or two and the trash collector found some burned pages in the garbage cans he broke out in a tantrum ...and the silliness expanded.
   http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/21/us-afghanistan-korans-idUSTRE81K09T20120221
Now. I don't know how they dispose of worn out korans..and I suppose I could get some suggestions here, but doesn't all this nuttiness seem out of order ?
Only in a civilized society. 

The trash collectors were probably annoyed that they didn't have any American flags or bibles to burn.
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2012, 02:05:30 PM »
 It does beg the question; how does a Muslim properly destroy a damaged Koran?  I would think anything other than burning it would be even more disrespectful, but my time in that part of the world has taught me to not be surprised by anything.

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2012, 03:05:30 PM »
It does beg the question; how does a Muslim properly destroy a damaged Koran?  I would think anything other than burning it would be even more disrespectful, but my time in that part of the world has taught me to not be surprised by anything.
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   Exactly what caused me to post the question..How is a worn or damaged koran disposed of ?  We burn US flags for instance, and I would not be witholding a Bible from the flames, if it were beyond use.
   Wonder how they dispose of a koran...anyone know ?
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2012, 05:09:10 PM »
This from the Globe and Mail:
Muslims are advised to wrap a worn and unusable copy of the Koran in cloth and to bury it in such a way that people do not walk over the place where the Koran is buried. That would be considered disrespectful.
The other option is to wrap the Koran and place it in a moving body of water, with some jurists advising that the Koran be tied to an object so that it sinks.
Where these two options are not available, some scholars do argue that Muslims can burn a Koran.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2012, 12:44:53 AM »
from a muslim website;
    http://back2thebasics.net/qaa/310-disposing-of-worn-out-copies-of-the-quran.html
 
       We can safely assume there have been millions or billions of copies printed over the last 14 centuries or so..most of them worn out by now.  If they were ALL buried in "pure earth"..there sure would be a lot of off-limits areas..haven't seen any lately.
 
  According to news sources, the korans were burned because the captive terrorists were using the Korans pages to pass clandestine notes to each other.  News didn't say whether the notes were terrorist plans or love notes. ;)   ;D
 
   Maybe they went bonkers because they didn't receive their notes !
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2012, 03:59:32 PM »
 Wonder how they dispose of a koran...anyone know ?
 
In a pinch they could come in handy as toilet paper ;D . Kinda like the old days ;)

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2012, 04:08:37 PM »
Wonder how they dispose of a koran...anyone know ?
 
In a pinch they could come in handy as toilet paper ;D . Kinda like the old days ;)

Yup, it is especially handy if you a kuffar who cannot read the funky chicken heiroglyphics.  ;)

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 12:41:13 AM »
they're simple minded.  nothing about a book is holy. nothing about a church building is holy.
the Bible is a book of the holy words of God, nothing more.
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2012, 08:50:29 AM »
Well, Obama had the soldiers turn in their Bibles and New Testiments last year at this same base, and burned them, so we wouldn't offend the local Muslims if they saw us with one.  Where is the outrage there?

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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2012, 09:24:33 AM »
Quote from Dixie Dude:
"Well, Obama had the soldiers turn in their Bibles and New Testiments last year at this same base, and burned them, so we wouldn't offend the local Muslims if they saw us with one.  Where is the outrage there?"


Dixie,
Please show a source for this, especially showing where it was ordered by Obama. All I could find that was even kind of related was this:
http://www.examiner.com/christian-in-louisville/military-burns-bibles-sent-to-troops-afghanistan


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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2012, 11:01:32 AM »
Well, Obama is the commander and chief.  He sets the standards he wants the military to go by, through the defence department secretary. 

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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2012, 11:25:29 AM »
 This is all bull. If they were so dang worried about that book as they say, then why do they continue to blow up people and buildings? Are the bombers the only one who carry the book?
 
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2012, 12:25:42 PM »
The Quran is considered to be the speech of God to humankind — word for word — explains Imam Johari Abdul-Malik.

"The traditional way of disposing of used or damaged copies of the text of the Quran is by burning it," he says.

But Malik, the director of outreach for the Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Va., says that doesn't include burning it with the trash. That's what U.S. officials say mistakenly happened with the Qurans in Afghanistan. The burning of Qurans at a NATO airbase near Kabul led to days of rioting by Muslims who say it was a desecration of their holy book and an affront to Islam. President Obama has since apologized for the incident.
Islam certainly isn't the only religion that has rules about how to handle its sacred text. Many faiths prescribe specific rituals for disposing of them, and the bottom line is respect for the words on the page.
Malik, who spent time in Afghanistan in November 2010, says the troops should have asked for guidance.
"If one said, 'Well, we're burning some Qurans today,' that wouldn't incite riots in Afghanistan," he says. "The problem is when one puts a malicious intent as part of the burning."
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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2012, 11:11:43 PM »
Quote from Dixie Dude:
"Well, Obama had the soldiers turn in their Bibles and New Testiments last year at this same base, and burned them, so we wouldn't offend the local Muslims if they saw us with one.  Where is the outrage there?"


Dixie,
Please show a source for this, especially showing where it was ordered by Obama. All I could find that was even kind of related was this:
http://www.examiner.com/christian-in-louisville/military-burns-bibles-sent-to-troops-afghanistan


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  Well; that should have left us "even-steven"...a commander in Af-idiot-stan  orders some korans burned, after a muslim here orders Bibles burned..   It should have been declared..  a draw.. ;)   ;D
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  Actually, TM has a point in post #10; the stuff should never have been in common trash containers !  The base commander HAD to know what irrational idiots he was dealing with and he should have saw to it the korans were COMPLETELY burned and the ash disposed of in the latrine.
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  So where is the REAL crime ?
    It is with our own C-in-C..bowing, kissing and apologizing to Hamid Kharzai for the unburned pages...and NOT demanding an equally profound apology for our 2 troops who had NOTHING to do with the incident , being murdered by an Afghani..who was being fed, colthed, paid & equipped by the US !
 
    Can anyone here say with a straight face, that the madness, atrocities and murders over a couple scraps of burned paper ... was justified ?
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2012, 07:09:22 AM »
oh well, just another example of arabs acting like idiots.
Are those folks Arabs?
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they're simple minded.
Some might be, but I'll bet they know the diff between Afghan and Arab - whaddya think?


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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2012, 12:39:59 AM »
That's right IG...idiots putting one groups scriptures in the trash knowingly lighting the match for other their idiots to get some payback on the invader idiots,,,as if some of the Afghanis needed any excuse for payback at all. Then idiot BHO apologizing...Petreaus should apologize and the base commanders, too...for turning a potentially propaganda win into the loss of two American's lifes.....way to go!
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   Does the burning of paper justify the murder of several US troops who had not a thing to do with such burning ?
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  Also you seem to forget, we are in Afghanistan and Pakistan at the behest of their elected leaders..same as here, if they don't like their elected leaders..get busy and elect others !  Or is it really a minority of terrorists, usurping the elected government ?
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2012, 04:17:20 AM »
From TM;
     " The guys burning and trashing these Qu'rans are probably lieing.....if they contained spy terrorist musings that would have been made known and capitalized on.....they are just trying to cover their arses"
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  TM;
  Did it ever occur to you that the guys who picked up the trash may be lying..or simply trying to stir up trouble ?  Who knows, they could have burned or found some paper burned and just made the whole thing up...
 
   Suggesting that, you may say I am biased in favor of our troops....buit then by your statement, it looks like you may well be biased the other way...
 
   Only difference...I admit my bias..
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2012, 01:05:27 PM »
IG:
We both are on the side of our troops, but your values and mine are different. I am wholely on the side of our troops, and I feel this best served by Truth in every single case.....furthermore, I do not subscribe to any Rapture or other occult eschatology...or any other promotion of GWOTer crusades...next you'll be crusading with nukes to prevent nukes..... wellfare of our troops is not promoted by liers. My faith doesn't justify and promote war against Earth and mankind....it trys to prevent and heals it.

Reminding you of these words:
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"I am the Truth , [..] No one comes to the Father except through me.[..] But before all this, they will lay hands on you and persecute you. They will deliver you to synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name."
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Now, who do you want to drag off to the inquisition...?.....TM7
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  TM; You wrote this in your post #21;
   
    " The guys burning and trashing these Qu'rans are probably lieing.....if they contained spy terrorist musings that would have been made known and capitalized on.....they are just trying to cover their arses"
     
  That doesn't sound like an absolute truth seeker to me...
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2012, 01:12:44 PM »
  In post#23 TM quotes scripture selectively;
 
   "I am the Truth , [..] No one comes to the Father except through me.[..] But before all this, they will lay hands on you and persecute you. They will deliver you to synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name."
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  Let's straighten this out;
    " I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me"  (John 14:6)
           ( a clear, pure salvation message )

   While the rest (Matt 10:16,17), is advice he gave to his apostles...and evidently holds true for our Christian troops among the mideastern barbarians
 
   Now we better get off the scripture trading..before we are TOLD to do so...
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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2012, 01:51:46 PM »
TM says;
   " Gee_ -You know___I'm started to think that just maybe somebody is trying to cause trouble between the Christians and the Mooselimbs....you think?"
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   TM;
  I don't just think it, I KNOW it..the troublemaking started about 620 AD with Muhammad..and continues with his zombies even to this day...
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« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2012, 05:18:32 AM »
Calling Muslims "zombies"  requires a certain mind set. :(
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« Reply #23 on: February 29, 2012, 05:59:03 AM »
Calling Muslims "zombies"  requires a certain mind set. :(
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  Not calling ALL muslims zombies..  just the one who blow themselves up in pizza parlors, day care centers, buses and planes
 
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   Just to put things in perspective; somebody mistakenly  burns some korans in Bagram..  So some zombies decide to murder a couple people half a country away...
 
     Rhetorical question; 
     If somebody burns a Bible in Boston, would it not require a "zombie" to murder a couple non-involved people in Butte  Montana ?  Or if somebody defaced a picture of Christ in Kokomo..would it make sense if some zombie murdered 2 innocent people in Daytona, Florida ?
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  Actually, anybody who angrily burns a Bible or defaces a picture of Jesus must have his own mental problems, so it would probably be best left alone. 
   So there is one destructive idiot burning and defacing..no need for anyone else to join him.
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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2012, 12:44:33 AM »
  Eighth century mentality is taking over the Islamic countries again, so nobody has to "fan" a conflict..  It is the same old story as back in the 8th century.
     Muslims have again 'conquered' much of Europe...and Europe seems to have no Charles Martel waiting in the wings to save her.
   ...And in the Muslim plan..after Europe,... it's us..
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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2012, 03:54:00 AM »
  So it's OK with you if innocent people are murdered over a burned book, or whatever "offense" those crazies can dream up ?
 
   http://www.sacbee.com/2012/03/01/4302756/officials-american-teacher-killed.html
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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2012, 08:03:49 AM »
Looking at the provided link there is nothing written that connects the shooting with the burning of the Koran.
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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2012, 09:49:39 AM »
Looking at the provided link there is nothing written that connects the shooting with the burning of the Koran.
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  Proves my point;
  They don't need much of an excuse (reply #34)..whatever they can dream up will do.
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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2012, 10:04:08 AM »
At this point, I say we get out of the country and let the fools kill each other.  They have been doing it for well over a thousand years now.   Ain't nothing gonna change, anyway, as long as the leaders have medieval mindsets.

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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2012, 07:52:55 AM »
At this point, I say we get out of the country and let the fools kill each other.  They have been doing it for well over a thousand years now.   Ain't nothing gonna change, anyway, as long as the leaders have medieval mindsets.

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