Author Topic: If all Muslims are so blood thirsty how do "infidels" travel freely? (Read 3572 times)

guzzijohn · « **on:** February 23, 2012, 03:24:18 AM »

From some of the various posts on this board one would think that a caucasian "infidel" could not go where Muslims are the primary people and survive without being converted or killed. Their are extremists in any religion and true "nuts" about everywhere but my take is that the average Muslim just wants to live their life day to day just as most Christians do. Their is a very interesting motorcycle forum called Advrider (adventure rider). Many of the threads are about riders from either North America or Europe that ride all over the world including many Muslim majority rule countries and somehow survive. Many comment how friendly, hospitable, and helpful the native Muslims are to them. How could this be? Here is an example of one thread: http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=619155

GuzziJohn

BUGEYE · « **Reply #1 on:** February 23, 2012, 03:36:46 AM »

It's too hard for a camel to catch a motorcycle.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:43:07 AM »

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It's too hard for a camel to catch a motorcycle.

Well that makes no sense.

To answer you question guzzi, the average believer in islam is about as religeous as the average catholic. They go to work, go home and pay lip service to their religion.

But there's just some guys on here that have a true hatred for them. To some people on here, hating followers of Islam has become their own extremist religion.

Oh well. H8RZ GONNA H8!

BUGEYE · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2012, 06:29:16 AM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on February 23, 2012, 04:43:07 AM

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It's too hard for a camel to catch a motorcycle.

Well that makes no sense.

To answer you question guzzi, the average believer in islam is about as religeous as the average catholic. They go to work, go home and pay lip service to their religion.

But there's just some guys on here that have a true hatred for them. To some people on here, hating followers of Islam has become their own extremist religion.

Oh well. H8RZ GONNA H8!

No sense of humor?

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2012, 06:39:09 AM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on February 23, 2012, 04:43:07 AM

But there's just some guys on here that have a true hatred for them. To some people on here, hating followers of Islam has become their own extremist religion.

It's called I D E O L O G Y

Nobody is just one thing, but for ideologues, religious wingnuts and haters, categorizing people as just one thing - and attaching lots of stink to that one thing? - it's easy and comforting. Thus, Muslim=Terrorist.

Ideology, bigotry, a little xenophobia, intellectual laziness... sometimes a little more of one, other times the other, oftentimes a stew.

Quote from: guzzijohn on February 23, 2012, 03:24:18 AM

Their is a very interesting motorcycle forum called Advrider (adventure rider). Many of the threads are about riders from either North America or Europe that ride all over the world including many Muslim majority rule countries and somehow survive. Many comment how friendly, hospitable, and helpful the native Muslims are to them. How could this be? Here is an example of one thread: http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=619155

Those guys don't have an ideology they're shopping around and identifying with, which makes their observations (as opposed to opinions) a heck of a lot more credible than ideologues' rantings.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:17:44 AM »

the news just announced that a Christian pastor in iran has been sentenced to death for not renouncing his Christian faith.
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=13431

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:44:29 AM »

If the average Muslim just wants to be left alone, then WHY don't they shut up their hate mongering clerics and radicals. Are they scared of them? Or do they secretely believe in what they do? If it walks like a duck........

Most radical Christians, like the church that protests funerals, are not accepted by the majority. Radical Christians don't go around blowing up things, and killing people. They just preach hell fire and damnation or go into seclusion in compounds.

We as Christians are just trying to point out the obvious, and we want people to heed the warning, to trust but verify. I don't mind living in a cold war with them, like we did the communists, if people don't get blown up and killed, especially civilians.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:47:05 AM »

It appears with a little research that the main problem Iran has with this pastor was that he may have been actively trying to convert Muslims in Iran to Christianity in 2006 along with protesting Iranian schools presenting the Muslim religion to his kids. Maybe the reason that these adventure riders do not get arrested is that they respect the cultures of the counties they are in and keep their mouths shut about their religious and political views. There is a time a place for everything.
GuzziJohn

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:51:25 AM »

So it's not ok for Christians to try to get converts, but it is ok for Muslims to KILL Christians? Muslims try and do get converts here in America, but if someone, even in America converts to Christianity, they are sometimes killed, even in America. So much for a religion of peace. If it was so good, they why do some Muslims convert to Christianity, risk being rejected by their family and sometimes killed, convert? Must be they found out the Christ's love is greater than their religion.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2012, 10:35:14 AM »

Quote from: Dixie Dude on February 23, 2012, 08:44:29 AM

We as Christians are just trying to point out the obvious...

Speaking for yourself, I'll guess? Or also for those who habitually refer to Muslims they've never met as Scum, Satan's Disciples and a boil on the world's butt?

mechanic · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2012, 10:39:11 AM »

My son in law regularly travels to middle eastern/African countries for his job. His company feels so confident, they have an armored limo pick him up for transport to the compound. Once there he cannot leave the compound, which is usually guarded with manned towers. Sounds sort of like jail, except they pay him.

Ben

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2012, 10:48:13 AM »

The OP has a point but over looks the problem. In most countries the West in particular Religious extrimist are not supported by the general public. They are condemed by others from their country or religion when they harm others. Muslims have failed to do this so far.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #12 on:** February 23, 2012, 12:43:26 PM »

My friends son is an engineer/missionary in East Africa. He said it is hard to talk to Muslims especially those from the middle east. Black Africans are easier to talk to about religion. He has to stay in a secure area also with his family, that his company pays for. So much for freedom of religion in a Muslim nation.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #13 on:** February 24, 2012, 12:57:27 AM »

so I guess my post that a camel can't catch a motorcycle is close to the truth.
it looks like everybody else is in danger.

ironglow · « **Reply #14 on:** February 29, 2012, 11:46:47 PM »

Westerners can travel freely in Muslim dominated countries ?

Tell that to the 3 hikers caught in Iraq near the border with Iran.. Tell that to Danny Perl..tell that to Nick Berg both of whom as reporters were parted from their heads in Islamic countries and by "Islamic law" (whatever that is).

Then there are the 7 Americans (including the son of our trans. secy) held in Egypt recently... Tell that to news reporter Lara Logan, beaten and gang-raped by the "freedom fighters" in Egypt.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1381710/Lara-Logan-reveals-terrifying-details-mob-sexual-assault-Egypt.html
Perhaps you could relay that info to Paul Conroy (UK), and Elizabeth Bouvier(France) sought out and wounded or our own Marie Colvin sought out and killed on orders from the Syrian dictator.
Sure, the imams will let some through...as long as they are willing to spread Islamic propaganda.. They allow American jihadists in and out all the time..

Far from folks here being anti- all Muslims..we have here a bunch of apologists for Islam who...
"strain at a gnat...and swallow a camel"..(Matt 23:24).. in their efforts to excuse the bloodthirsty Islamic crazies.

Here is the wonderful safety to be enjoyed while in Islam dominated societies:
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NY Times
By GRAHAM BOWLEY and SHARIFULLAH SAHAK KABUL, Afghanistan — The Taliban took the four men to the main bazaar in a southern Afghanistan district at evening prayer on Sunday, regional government officials said, denounced them as government spies because they were carrying satellite phones, then beheaded them in front of local residents who had been summoned to watch.

Trust that we can become more graphic. If you are into this click here. Three days later, on Wednesday morning, the director of a relatively progressive radio station in eastern Afghanistan was found stabbed to death in his car. His back, stomach and chest had been slashed, and his throat slit, according to the man’s brother, who said his head had been nearly severed from his body. The local police chief, Daulat Khan Zadran, said the victim, Sadeem Khan Bahader Zoi, had been totally beheaded. “We still don’t know the cause” of the killing, Mr. Zadran said.
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Yep; great kindness and understanding..
Some here seem to think worse things than this is done by American Christians all the time, in places like Alabama, Indiana, Virginia & Maine.. DUH..

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #15 on:** March 01, 2012, 01:07:53 AM »

I just love how you paint all muslims out to be horrible bloodthirsty members of the Taliban when in reality the Taliban represents probably 1% of Muslims worldwide.

By that same logic all American men are gay because 1% of the population of men in this country are gay an marching in the street.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #16 on:** March 01, 2012, 01:20:43 AM »

gay's and killers , your logic not most others . Thing is the other 99% muslims don't stop the killing. Oh yea like gays here killers are protected there by their laws .

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #17 on:** March 01, 2012, 02:50:54 AM »

1% of Americans are gay. Lots of people are against homosexuality but whos stopping them from having a majority voice in our country?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** March 01, 2012, 04:10:09 AM »

Hogwash

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #19 on:** March 01, 2012, 04:26:46 AM »

Forgive me but your %'s seem fabricated since there is no way support them.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #20 on:** March 01, 2012, 07:34:47 AM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on March 01, 2012, 01:07:53 AM

I just love how you paint all muslims out to be horrible bloodthirsty members of the Taliban when in reality the Taliban represents probably 1% of Muslims worldwide.

Don't paint em all that way, but perhaps you can explain to us why the other 99% does not condemn them and oust them from their society?

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #21 on:** March 01, 2012, 07:59:38 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 01, 2012, 03:01:52 AM

This thread is about moosilms traveling freely...go figure
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TM7

Huh? Thought it wuz 'bout us (westerners) traveling freely

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #22 on:** March 01, 2012, 08:01:43 AM »

not really it sounds like its about a troll fishing

guzzijohn · « **Reply #23 on:** March 01, 2012, 08:41:32 AM »

Interesting. Out of 24 replies only one (Singleshotsam) has even addressed the question. What is the difference then between those that seem to be able to travel freely and even receive support from the locals and those that are attacked? Is is pure chance? Is it that the person does not seem to represent a threat? Is it because the person is brazen enough to ride a motorcycle by themselves or maybe with another person in what many consider to be enemy territory? Is it that they maybe try to show a bit of respect for differences instead of wanting to turn the country into a glass parking lot? I am still waiting.
GuzziJohn

ironglow · « **Reply #24 on:** March 01, 2012, 09:14:49 AM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on March 01, 2012, 01:07:53 AM

I just love how you paint all muslims out to be horrible bloodthirsty members of the Taliban when in reality the Taliban represents probably 1% of Muslims worldwide.

By that same logic all American men are gay because 1% of the population of men in this country are gay an marching in the street.

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I don't know who you are talking about, but it sure isn't me ! Show me one place where I said ALL Muslims are guilty of barbarism. Save your strength..I never said it; in fact I have been very careful not to say it. Just a couple days ago I gave real credit to those like Dr Zuhdi Jasser and from time to time have given proper due to others, such as Walid Shoebat..

BTW: Those 1% gay of the population would be executed by the fanatical branch of Islam..
I haven't heard anything recently concerning the ugly Christians executing any gays, since almost invariably practicing Christians try to help them.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #25 on:** March 01, 2012, 09:54:32 AM »

Quote from Ironglow:
" I haven't heard anything recently concerning the ugly Christians executing any gays, since almost invariably practicing Christians try to help them."

I wonder if the two that murdered Matthew Shepard in Wyoming claimed to be Christian.

Good job of dodging the original question again.
GuzziJohn

ironglow · « **Reply #26 on:** March 01, 2012, 09:59:58 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on March 01, 2012, 09:54:32 AM

Quote from Ironglow:
" I haven't heard anything recently concerning the ugly Christians executing any gays, since almost invariably practicing Christians try to help them."

I wonder if the two that murdered Matthew Shepard in Wyoming claimed to be Christian.

Good job of dodging the original question again.
GuzziJohn

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No matter what they may claim, their fruit speaks for them. Many people seem to think that because one comes from a family or a country (US) where many are Christian...that makes them one also. Nothing could be further from the truth; being a Christian takes a deliberate act and change.
I certainly am NOT dodging the question, I gave you a comprehensive answer in (reply #15) but evidently you didn't read it .

Sure, ask a question..then ignore the answers you pretend to seek.

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 01, 2012, 10:02:08 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on March 01, 2012, 09:54:32 AM

Quote from Ironglow:
" I haven't heard anything recently concerning the ugly Christians executing any gays, since almost invariably practicing Christians try to help them."

I wonder if the two that murdered Matthew Shepard in Wyoming claimed to be Christian.

Good job of dodging the original question again.
GuzziJohn

To answer the OP question......very carefully. To possess a Bible in Muslim lands is a capital offense. To display a cross or Star of David in Muslim lands is a capital offense. To speak ill of the prophedophile in Muslim lands is a capital offense. To caricaturize the prophedophile anywhere is a capital offense. For a woman to go about unescorted by a male relative and uncovered is an offense punishable by lapidation. Most all of the offenses are punishable by execution in one manner or another.

ST762

ironglow · « **Reply #28 on:** March 01, 2012, 10:12:33 AM »

As I said earlier; Dr Zuhdi Jasser, among many othe rMuslims, is a decent and reasonable man. http://aifdemocracy.org/about/members.php

In the interests of peace and civilization, I believe we should give credit to these worthy persons and ridicule the militant, terrorist types. that is not too hard to figure out even for the most cretan among us.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #29 on:** March 01, 2012, 10:36:02 AM »

all is ask is they get their house in order as should we.