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Re: Wyoming Considers Secession
« Reply #30 on: February 29, 2012, 04:51:22 AM »
I've been reading about this issue, and re-reading the OP's description of it. I have to say, after going to a few more sources, and learning a bit more.... I'm very relieved to see that HB 85 doesn't have anything in it about on-the-ball white people, or bloated minority infested  cities, or parasitic minority hordes... and it doesn't say ANYTHING about secession. It is not some kind of white supremacist/separatist rant.

I am MUCH relieved; I like Wyoming, I think it's a fine state, and I was starting to wonder if the Wyoming legislature might have been drunk. But at least some were sober, as they voted down the bill


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/28/10533469-wyoming-lawmakers-reject-doomsday-bill


text: http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/575637
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Re: Wyoming Considers Secession
« Reply #31 on: February 29, 2012, 06:33:36 AM »
 
I dont know if its still true, but the single largest employeer in Wyoming used to be the Air Force base in Cheyenne.
 
 

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Re: Wyoming Considers Secession
« Reply #32 on: February 29, 2012, 06:56:47 AM »
The Union Pacific used to be the #1 employer. Now the trona and coal mines probably the #1, but there are alot of folks working in the natural gas industry. FE Warren has been cut back quite a bit.
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Re: Wyoming Considers Secession
« Reply #33 on: February 29, 2012, 12:02:07 PM »
II was starting to wonder if the Wyoming legislature might have been drunk. But at least some were sober, as they voted down the bill


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/28/10533469-wyoming-lawmakers-reject-doomsday-bill


text: http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/575637

Of course MSNBC only noticed the ridiculous part of the bill and neglected the meat of the bill. A doomsday bill is a really good idea for every state to have, if they believe in the 10th Amendment. Or they can just stand in line with their hat in their hand at the Unified State of Amerika dole office and wait for the Party to save them.
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Re: Wyoming Considers Secession
« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2012, 01:38:24 PM »
Gee, I read about Succession and here in South Carolina we tried that once. It didn't work for us, but you can try it and Bless Your Sweet Heart for doing so. Just keep the Carpetbaggers for yourselves. 8)
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Re: Wyoming Considers Secession
« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2012, 03:08:24 PM »
Yup, secession did not work so well for the South the first go around.   Again, we now have a fellow from Illinois in the White House, and racial tensions are being inflamed.

We ain't got no carpetbaggers now,  but we have parasitic minority hordes.  Unfortunately, there are enough of them to really create some damage -- and their cultural relations will, to a certain extent, follow the example if things go sideways.

There are some libs here at GBO that will say I am a racist and bigot; no, I just accept the facts of cultural solidarity.  History is replete with examples.

Hey, guys from Wyoming, if things go sideways here in the South, would anyone be willing to provide some room in the barn for me?    I can do chores, and even pull security details.

Yes, I expect things to go sideways at some point.....

Sorry to go off-topic ate the end of post.

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Re: Wyoming Considers Secession
« Reply #36 on: February 29, 2012, 03:16:58 PM »
Not too far off thread Swampy ... this is about a doomsday bill and the survival of a sovereign state after the collapse of the Union. (Not about secession ... this would be in the wake of practical dissolution.) In which case things have gone sideways.

ID, MT and WY are part of the Free State Project, promoting a migration of liberty loving peoples to their state - bring your guns and money! I hope to make that migration before doomsday myself.

But in the event of a complete collapse of the federal government in which case my Commission as a Navy Officer will be useless, would WY consider accepting my commission to serve in their sovereign Navy? I have Carrier experience.  :D
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Re: Wyoming Considers Secession
« Reply #37 on: February 29, 2012, 04:29:36 PM »
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ID, MT and WY are part of the Free State Project, promoting a migration of liberty loving peoples to their state - bring your guns and money! I hope to make that migration before doomsday myself.

TeamNelson,

Make sure you add NH to your list, we could use more people like yourself here. We even have towns with cool names like Jefferson, Washington, Madison, Freedom and Stark (live free or die, death is not the worst of evils).
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Re: Wyoming Considers Secession
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2012, 05:23:56 PM »
Alaska was talking secession back when Sarah Palin was Governor.  Many of us still are. 

Being geographically separated Alaska and Hawaii stand a far better chance than any of the other states.  If the government crashes, Alaska can survive.  Most of our trade is with the Far East anyway, not the lower 48.  We could survive, where the rest of the States would flounder since few states have ports, and those that do produce little themselves.  And with the EPA out of our hair we could produce much more.  We have huge deposits of Copper, Molybednum, Lead, iron, Gold, Silver, Zinc, Coal, Oil, Gas, and those Rare Earth Minerals we are currently getting from China.   

Alaska currently exports Coal, Barley, Oil, Timber, Fish, and other products in smaller quantities.  Asian Tourism is big as well.  We could survive alone, can the rest of the states?

Wow. What a great post. Makes me want to move there. 

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Re: Wyoming Considers Secession
« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2012, 05:14:49 AM »
Alaska was talking secession back when Sarah Palin was Governor.  Many of us still are. 

Being geographically separated Alaska and Hawaii stand a far better chance than any of the other states.  If the government crashes, Alaska can survive.  Most of our trade is with the Far East anyway, not the lower 48.  We could survive, where the rest of the States would flounder since few states have ports, and those that do produce little themselves.  And with the EPA out of our hair we could produce much more.  We have huge deposits of Copper, Molybednum, Lead, iron, Gold, Silver, Zinc, Coal, Oil, Gas, and those Rare Earth Minerals we are currently getting from China.   

Alaska currently exports Coal, Barley, Oil, Timber, Fish, and other products in smaller quantities.  Asian Tourism is big as well.  We could survive alone, can the rest of the states?

Wow. What a great post. Makes me want to move there.

Sourdough makes a strong argument for Alaska's self-sufficiency, the implicit question then is what does a State need a Federal Government for? All of the 4 states in the Free State Project are similar to Alaska in that they've made economic independence from the Federal government a priority, and achievement. Montana for example produces more food than it eats, more fuel than it burns, etc. and has revenue from exports. Nutritionally they have all they need to survive independently, and enough left over for trade.

The significance of a Doomsday Bill, to me, is recognizing that States need to be thinking about self-sufficiency now. Start with a Doomsday scenario, have a plan for what happens the minute after the Federal government ceases to function. Then work backwards to make your state as immune to negative impact from a governmental or federal economic collapse. This is well within keeping of the Constitutional idea of each state being a sovereign of a sort, working together in a Republic or collaboration of sovereign peers, for the good of all.

Its my estimation that those states who are most dependent on the federal government, like Hawaii where I recently lived for 5 years, are the most liberal, most willing to abandon liberty for all, in exchange for government money. Hawaii receives back more from the government than it sends in revenues ... I don't know the percentage. I'd like to find the data that shows each state, rank them in order by the difference between how much revenue they send to the Federal government in taxes, and how much benefit they receive from the government. That would be very telling. That's not supposed to be the way this works. The cost of government is a shared burden, not to any one states benefit, and its spread equally around the states. There should be no situation where a dollar leaves a state in federal taxes only to return as federal money to fund a project ... the loss in overhead is staggering and begs the question. Its like the states are saying, here's all my money, now I want you to spend it back in my state please. Better just to keep it and spend it as the state sees fit.

And its because states have forgotten the face of their fathers ... that a regional event in DC or NYC will spread like economic and social wildfire across the states along the chains of dependency. Better to break the chains now while still participating as a state in the Republic.
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Re: Wyoming Considers Secession
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2012, 02:20:56 PM »
Stinks that it didnt make it through. 

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Re: Wyoming Considers Secession
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2012, 10:13:17 AM »
Alaska was talking secession back when Sarah Palin was Governor.  Many of us still are. 

Being geographically separated Alaska and Hawaii stand a far better chance than any of the other states.  If the government crashes, Alaska can survive.  Most of our trade is with the Far East anyway, not the lower 48.  We could survive, where the rest of the States would flounder since few states have ports, and those that do produce little themselves.  And with the EPA out of our hair we could produce much more.  We have huge deposits of Copper, Molybednum, Lead, iron, Gold, Silver, Zinc, Coal, Oil, Gas, and those Rare Earth Minerals we are currently getting from China.   

Alaska currently exports Coal, Barley, Oil, Timber, Fish, and other products in smaller quantities.  Asian Tourism is big as well.  We could survive alone, can the rest of the states?

Wow. What a great post. Makes me want to move there.

Sourdough makes a strong argument for Alaska's self-sufficiency, the implicit question then is what does a State need a Federal Government for? All of the 4 states in the Free State Project are similar to Alaska in that they've made economic independence from the Federal government a priority, and achievement. Montana for example produces more food than it eats, more fuel than it burns, etc. and has revenue from exports. Nutritionally they have all they need to survive independently, and enough left over for trade.

The significance of a Doomsday Bill, to me, is recognizing that States need to be thinking about self-sufficiency now. Start with a Doomsday scenario, have a plan for what happens the minute after the Federal government ceases to function. Then work backwards to make your state as immune to negative impact from a governmental or federal economic collapse. This is well within keeping of the Constitutional idea of each state being a sovereign of a sort, working together in a Republic or collaboration of sovereign peers, for the good of all.

Its my estimation that those states who are most dependent on the federal government, like Hawaii where I recently lived for 5 years, are the most liberal, most willing to abandon liberty for all, in exchange for government money. Hawaii receives back more from the government than it sends in revenues ... I don't know the percentage. I'd like to find the data that shows each state, rank them in order by the difference between how much revenue they send to the Federal government in taxes, and how much benefit they receive from the government. That would be very telling. That's not supposed to be the way this works. The cost of government is a shared burden, not to any one states benefit, and its spread equally around the states. There should be no situation where a dollar leaves a state in federal taxes only to return as federal money to fund a project ... the loss in overhead is staggering and begs the question. Its like the states are saying, here's all my money, now I want you to spend it back in my state please. Better just to keep it and spend it as the state sees fit.

And its because states have forgotten the face of their fathers ... that a regional event in DC or NYC will spread like economic and social wildfire across the states along the chains of dependency. Better to break the chains now while still participating as a state in the Republic.

A great post teamnelson. A very insightful analysis.