Author Topic: Ruger accuracy (Read 4036 times)

Country Boy · « **on:** February 28, 2012, 01:39:10 PM »

Was going to buy .243 then I found a bunch of reviews that said they were inaccurate. So now im not so sure.What do you think ? Could you suggest another brand in the same price range ? Appreciate the help

Swampman · « **Reply #1 on:** February 28, 2012, 01:57:43 PM »

The newest Rugers shoot just fine. The Remington 700 is never a bad choice.

rugerfan.64 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 28, 2012, 02:06:39 PM »

,,,,,,,,,, SAY WHAT?!

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #3 on:** February 29, 2012, 12:35:54 AM »

Ive had some dud rugers in the past. To the point where i swore off buying anymore 77s. My buddy who has forgot more then i know about guns told me that the new hawkeyes were better shooters, at least the ones he had were. I bought a 264 and a 7mag hawkeye since then and both will do moa with loads they like. I think the ruger/remington battle has evened out some as of late. the rugers I have bought seem better and the remingtons seem to not be as consistantly accurate as the older rems were. the days of EVERY 700 majicaly being a moa gun are gone. Not that you cant get one or put a little time into a gun to get it there but back in the 70s and 80s if the best a 700 i bought would do is one inch i was disapointed. Bottom line is there both decent guns now and i sure wouldnt be afraid to buy a 243 hawkeye.

Swampman · « **Reply #4 on:** February 29, 2012, 01:25:01 AM »

CNC machinery has made the new Remingtons even more accurate if that's possible. Most will shoot 1/2 MOA with factory ammo.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #5 on:** February 29, 2012, 02:08:28 AM »

I have had several Rugers and all were accurate same with Remingtons . Some more so than others . FWIW , a remington 2506 has beem the most accurate. The truth is 3 rem 700 2506 were. One a Sendaro , one a BDL and one an ADL. All less than a half inch at 100 yards. All shot the same hand load that well. 53 gr IMR 4831 , BR primer and 100 gr BT . A ruger 22-250 is right there with them and a 300 win mag from Ruger not far behind either.
As a note I know a guy with 11 rifles (last count) in 2506 and all shoot very well. As a mater of fact I have not heard of a 2506 that shot poor. Can't say the same for a 243 win.

alleyyooper · « **Reply #6 on:** February 29, 2012, 07:14:24 AM »

I have a rugar 77 22 that is as accrite as a 22 RF can be, My sons is just as good.
The 22 swift in a 77 220 swift in a tang saftey rifle is one of the most accrite 22 center fires I've ever shot.
The 77 243 tang saftey is a tack driver, I now own it. When My dad owned it a cousin would borrow it to shoot milk jug caps againest my brothers winny model 70. Even though it wasn't cousins rifle he shot a lot he could hold his own with it and many times take home all the quarters they would bet.

Al

KAYR1 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 29, 2012, 08:45:41 AM »

Most Rugers will shoot fine, as will Remington 700s, etc. The most accurate rifles out of the box that I own are Savage bolt guns. Accu_trigger, Accu-stock, etc. They aint beautiful, but they sure shoot tight groups, for less money than most factory rifles.

Retsof · « **Reply #8 on:** February 29, 2012, 10:04:40 AM »

I've read that, since Ruger began making their own barrels, the accuracy has been much more consistent. I used to have a Ruger 77 MK II in 350 rem Mag. Without really trying hard, I was able to get a 1" - 1.5" 3-shot group at 100 yards with either the Remington factory load or my handloads, which was plenty accurate enough for what & where I hunted.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #9 on:** March 01, 2012, 12:49:54 AM »

cant say ive found that true. Ive had mixed luck. Ive got an blued sps 06 that is probably the most accurate bolt rifle in my safe. It will shoot 1/2 and contrary to what swampy says thats RARE. Ive also got a newer 300 win stainless sps that will shoot moa but it took a heck of alot of load developement and free floating and bedding the stock to get it there. Another new one is the bdl 7mag ive got. Even floated and bedded the best it will do is about a 1 1/8 and most loads are around a 1 1/2. Ive got two more new ones a stainless bdl in 7stw and a stainless cdl in 257 wby that i havent got around to start working up loads for and wont until the snows gone but at least for me back in the day it seemed like i just couldnt buy a 700 that wouldnt shoot about anything sub moa. Ive heard alot of grumbling about the newer remingtons comming out of the factory with chambers cut out of round and claim thats what the main problem has been with the newer guns and most of it has lied with the sps line not the higher end guns but they said theyve heard of simular problems with some of the 264mag and 257 wby mag cdls. . These are guys that shoot long range competition and have forgot more about what makes a good rifle then I know. They claim too that some of the barrels have been comming off the line with the rifleing a bit rough. Sorry swampy but i put more store in my own experienes and the advice of that group of guys that were shooting comptition before you even owned a remington rifle let alone became an expert on them! I myself am no stranger to the 700. Ive got 9 of them right now and 2 Model 7s and have probably owned a dozen others through the years. Id say that puts my experience level right up there with yours.

Quote from: Swampman on February 29, 2012, 01:25:01 AM

CNC machinery has made the new Remingtons even more accurate if that's possible. Most will shoot 1/2 MOA with factory ammo.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #10 on:** March 01, 2012, 01:50:39 AM »

Good post ! The guns I listed except for the 300win mag all needed hand loads to shine.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #11 on:** March 01, 2012, 07:10:01 AM »

ive got to agree with you on the 25-06 shootall. Ive had 3 remingtons, 1ruger #1,2 ruger 77s, a howa and an interarms mauser and all were exceptional shooters. Even ruger has allways tended to get them right.

Quote from: SHOOTALL on March 01, 2012, 01:50:39 AM

Good post ! The guns I listed except for the 300win mag all needed hand loads to shine.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #12 on:** March 01, 2012, 08:06:45 AM »

Had an old man tell me once if you can make a shot and call it with out looking back then and only then can you know if a rifle shoots. I think he was on to something.
For those who's head just took a couple spins , the idea is if you can do your part and can prove it to your self or others with a gun that shoots then when you shoot one that won't group you can be sure its the gun.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #13 on:** March 02, 2012, 12:45:26 AM »

there are guns that shoot but not many men who are shooters!!!! except in there own minds!

Quote from: SHOOTALL on March 01, 2012, 08:06:45 AM

Had an old man tell me once if you can make a shot and call it with out looking back then and only then can you know if a rifle shoots. I think he was on to something.
For those who's head just took a couple spins , the idea is if you can do your part and can prove it to your self or others with a gun that shoots then when you shoot one that won't group you can be sure its the gun.

Darrell Davis · « **Reply #14 on:** March 05, 2012, 02:35:46 PM »

Anyone who says a .243 doesn't shoot simply does not know what they are talking about!

Are there good rifles and ones not so good? Yes.

However, I have an OLD RUGER "Flat Bolt" in 243 that has shot great since way before I owned it and it continues to shoot greay to this day.

I have a newer RUGER Hawkeye in 300 mag, and the last time I ran test loads through it, it put 3 Nosler Partitions into just a touch over 5/8" and that at just over 3300fps.

Unlike Lloyd's experience, I have never had a RUGER that was not at least very passable, while most ran to the very good side.

But then, Lloyd has likely had 10 rifles to every one of mine.

Keep em coming!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

pastorp · « **Reply #15 on:** March 06, 2012, 01:52:37 AM »

Years ago my wife bought me a tang safety ruger in 25-06. And while it would not shoot 1/2" groups, like all of swampys remingtons it would shoot under 1" with loads it liked. Plenty good enough for my use. Actually a deer rifle that will shoot between a inch & a inch & a half will kill a lot of deer.
I believe the most inacurate rifle I've ever owned was a remington 742 in 30-06. It didn't stay around long. I have owned several Browning BARs in deer calibers & 1 in 338WM that were all very good shooters.

Regards,

jonah50 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 06, 2012, 10:10:31 AM »

3 years ago,and from day one, i had major accuracey problems with my Hawkeye 25-06 rem. Believe me i tried everything that i read and already knew! Yes i removed the pressue point!, pillar bedded, free floated. still from stringing to just bullets having a mind of their own. The hawkeye didn't seem to mind this problem however i did and it sure knocked the confidence out of me when i'd go hunting. Lightened the trigger with a pen spring, replaced scopes, tried different way of for example, breath contro, using different shooting positions etc. It was all in vain. I came to the sad conclusion that i had a baaaad shot! Until! i fired a cold, using fed 120grn ammo and repeated this time space three times and bingo! the ruger was telling me something. So i could think of nothing else but to reinistall the pressure point using accraglass gel. And bingo! group after group stays .5 on a hot barrell! I spent over a thousand trying to improve accuracey from 3-4inch groups at 100yds. Now my confidence is totally restored and i await a prairie stock from boyds to get that proper feel as i think the hawkeye slender stock is too light for me. Chamber dimensions were pretty tight tolerances with this rifle which is good.

rugerfan.64 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 07, 2012, 04:12:16 PM »

I have a Ruger M77 ST that will stack 87 grain Hornady bullets day in and day out. I dont know how old this rifle is,but it is gettin on up in years. Its the only rifle I've ever owned that would stack 10 shots under a quarter at 100 yards. May have to get some IMR 4350 just to try that again.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #18 on:** March 07, 2012, 05:15:05 PM »

One thing I found is you really do not see a lot of used Ruger M77's on the used gun racks.
Clearly if there was a problem with them you would see a bunch of them on the used racks.
I do not see any more Rugers on the used shelfs than any other brand and I very seldom see a 243 Win. I was looking for one for a while for a friend. If the 243 had a problem you would see them sit for a long time. or people would buy them cheap to rebarrel in other short action caliber.
I see more 30-06 rifles of all brands in the used racks than any other caliber.

ironglowjr · « **Reply #19 on:** March 07, 2012, 06:10:09 PM »

WOW... I cant believe i am hearing this......My "Tang Safety" 77 in .243 win is REALLY accurate expecially with handloads an when you find the one it likes......There is nothing that can touch it. Igot mine dialed in at 100yrds and 3 shotgroup all touch CONSISTANTLY!!! I love my Ruger......

Swampman · « **Reply #20 on:** March 07, 2012, 11:40:11 PM »

Some tang-safety Ruger's shoot well. You don't know until you take them to the range. If they don't you may as well sell them to the nest unsuspecting buyer as the fellow did to you.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #21 on:** March 08, 2012, 01:48:12 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on March 07, 2012, 11:40:11 PM

Some tang-safety Ruger's shoot well. You don't know until you take them to the range. If they don't you may as well sell them to the nest unsuspecting buyer as the fellow did to you.

same with remington...............or any other gun..............

Swampman · « **Reply #22 on:** March 08, 2012, 02:55:54 AM »

Perhaps 1 in 100,000 with Remington. About 50/50 with tang safety Rugers.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #23 on:** March 08, 2012, 04:00:26 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on March 08, 2012, 02:55:54 AM

Perhaps 1 in 100,000 with Remington. About 50/50 with tang safety Rugers.

When you read Swampmans posts he has drunk the Green and Yellow cool aid of Remington and no matter what you say he will always say the remington is better. Someone can make a post about a target anshutz and how accurate it is and Swampman will post that his Nylon 66 is more accurate.
Some of his claims are very wild.
I am trying to come up with the firearms equal to "I would rather push a Chevy than ride in a Ford"
Swamp man would rather use a 700 as a club than shoot a Ruger to harvest a deer.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #24 on:** March 08, 2012, 04:26:43 AM »

I would rather clean an 7.7 Jap than shoot a Remington

Swampman · « **Reply #25 on:** March 08, 2012, 04:28:53 AM »

I'd rather push a Ford than drive a Chevy. If you could figure out a way to avoid the Wilson barrels the tang safety Rugers would be fine. Wilson just couldn't get it right. That's why Ruger started making their own. It helped a lot. Unfortunately you're still stuck with that crazy angled action screw. I have a bunch of Rugers. If they shoot badly I dump them. They can't be fixed without a new barrel..

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #26 on:** March 08, 2012, 04:32:39 AM »

Some Remingtons can't either.

Swampman · « **Reply #27 on:** March 08, 2012, 05:27:02 AM »

If a Remington won't shoot it's the fellow pulling the trigger. Remington has never produced an inaccurate barrel.....ever......but Ruger used defective barrels for many years. A well known gun writer was quoted as saying "If Ruger ever produced an accurate rifle, it's still at the factory."

pastorp · « **Reply #28 on:** March 08, 2012, 05:43:30 AM »

I have owned inaccurate Remington's. But on average most shoot well enough to hunt with & a few are exceptional.
Unlike you swampy I don't see a rebarrel, to get what I want, as a problem. Of course it's hard to make money on custom gun smithing. And you trade guns a lot. So I can understand your reluctance to spend money on a gun that you can only get enjoyment out of as the return on your investment.

Regards,

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #29 on:** March 08, 2012, 06:18:52 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on March 08, 2012, 05:27:02 AM

If a Remington won't shoot it's the fellow pulling the trigger. Remington has never produced an inaccurate barrel.....ever......but Ruger used defective barrels for many years. A well known gun writer was quoted as saying "If Ruger ever produced an accurate rifle, it's still at the factory."

I had one that shot so poor it was replaced , they had a bad run of bbls which they recalled. I like Remington also Ruger , Savage and Winchester to name a few. But to say any of them has not produced a poor shooter is pure folly ! And an insult to the shooting public to say its always the shooter. When one offers obivious unsupported statements it hurts their creditablity .