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Re: Kid Rock endorses Mitt Romney
« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2012, 07:56:11 PM »
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Isn't it really *all* built on thw worker bees' backs?

 
 
No, not at all.  If you want to take that tact, it's really all "built" on the end consumers' backs since they are buying the product and ultimately footing the bill.

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Re: Kid Rock endorses Mitt Romney
« Reply #61 on: May 12, 2012, 10:30:02 PM »
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Isn't it really *all* built on thw worker bees' backs?

 
 
No, not at all.  If you want to take that tact, it's really all "built" on the end consumers' backs since they are buying the product and ultimately footing the bill.

Yes, exactly.

They are paid wholesale for their labor, but end up paying retail for the output.

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Re: Kid Rock endorses Mitt Romney
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2012, 05:39:41 AM »
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They are paid wholesale for their labor

 
 
Hmmm, I thought they were paid exactly what they agreed to.
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Re: Kid Rock endorses Mitt Romney
« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2012, 06:56:16 PM »
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They are paid wholesale for their labor

 
 
Hmmm, I thought they were paid exactly what they agreed to.

Yes, but "agreed to" is not the same thing as "fair price". Granted the definitions of that is up for debate.

Sure... folks "agree" to all kinds of bad deals out of desparation.

But ultimately, the factory owner sets both the price for labor and the price for goods in the market. And for a long time that echelon has had preferred access to many things to ensure that the numbers always work in their favor, in a 100 ways.

Everything from the convention of "no haggling" in a retail store to "people shouldn't talk about their pay"... there's a 100 mind f'ks and well as institutionalized "house edges" (i.e. inflation, unemployment rates centered around 4%, and interest rates monkeyed with to enforce that, and so on) to ensure the status quo remains, no matter the actual numbers.

It's basically the dirty little secret of capitalism... it's based on cheap labor. It's also the dirty little secret of communism.

Same rule everywhere, "House always wins", LOL!

Now it might be different if there was actually somewhere left where you could go and literally be 100% independent, and not die, LOL! But for the most part, every square inch owned and/or controlled by a taxing body.

So in reality, "what they agreed" to... they agreed to without true bargaining parity.

If everyone had true bargaining parity, there would never any such thing as "profit" because a truely fair trade would be at the exact price it took to bring something to market.

So in reality, profit represents the coercive ability of the sell side over the buy side on the output end of things... and the difference between the price of labor and the markup on it represent the coercive capability of factory over individual.

Sure, there are some fields where that's less of an issue. Say medicine or the other "professions". But most of them have barriers to entry, which effectively props up prices.

Bottom line is the same everywhere you look... rarely is it allowed to occur that the working individual gets any leverage.

I'd find it hard to believe that any working adult of any significant years can't see this.

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Re: Kid Rock endorses Mitt Romney
« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2012, 10:58:44 PM »
   The flat tax is one of the few which can indeed be called a "fair" tax.  Now yopu lefties are always complaining about "loopholesw"...even though lefties in govt probably create more loopholes than the righties.  The best way to counter loopholes is a flat tax..or sales tax.  Take your pick!
  I for one ma getting tired of the billionaires who whine about rich people not paying enough taxes (Buffet rule), then they avoid paying every penny of taxes which they can hang onto.
   Surely with Obama's "Buffet rule", anyone with a lick of sense can see through the hypocrisy..why take the Dems serious ?
 
  Anyone who wants to tell other what they should do...owes it to them to set the example..(see this 35 second video);
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Svzt1AE-8
 
  Is Warren Buffet even credible ?
     http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/29/warren-buffett-taxes-berkshire-hathaway_n_941099.html
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