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Obama praises Islam
« on: February 29, 2012, 02:17:03 AM »
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Subject: Obama Puts Heat on Fox News . . . .
I had seen most of this before, but there are some bits I had not seen.  They claim it is out of context.
NO, IT IS NOT!!

Anyone who says this much on a subject is stating what he or she believes!
   I think this video says volumes about who we have for a president!
     Obama Puts Heat on Fox News to Prevent Hannity from Airing this. .       We've seen most of this presentation over the past few years. Interesting how it was put together!! How can anybody not understand this?? This is a video that Sean Hannity of FOX News has been trying to show that has consistently been blocked by the Obama Administration for several weeks. Watch it now before it gets pulled from the Internet!   This should be recorded and filed away. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2012, 03:35:38 AM »
Seen some of this before, and could not watch it all. He lies so much, my blood pressure goes up faster than a space shuttle launch. God help us all!! gypsyman
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2012, 04:16:56 AM »
Hay, what do you expect from a man raised as a Muslim.  His Stepfather Satoro was a Muslim and sent him to a Muslim school. 
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2012, 04:17:11 AM »
BLIND EAR. Thanks for that. About 9 min in they show the planes hitting the towers. What bothers me a lot is that the imam obama supporters know all these  things to be true and still support him. Sad. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2012, 05:22:42 AM »
What bothers me a lot is that the imam obama supporters know all these  things to be true and still support him. Sad. POWDERMAN.  :( :(


It is unfortunate that you are both bothered and sad. But here's the question: what exactly is an imam, and when did President Obama become one?
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2012, 06:40:12 AM »
BE.....gatekeeper Hatchet Hannity is a pyro nitwit....If BHO is a closet moosilim why is his staff 99% jewish, including his new chief of staff who is a sabbath observing orthodox rabbi. And Bridgette Gabriel is a zio Likud war party finatic. Fact is the clash of civilizations GWOT needs addressing,,,needs counterpoint, needs discussion, needs some facts and figuring. It would be clearly stupid not to discuss or have dialogue with the other 1/3 of the world... Just NOT HANNITY CLIPs AND SOUNDBITE SCARE TACTICS mind you.  You might not like the way Obama is handling this 'discussion' but at least somebody has him doing it. By the way that last picture in the video has alot of world figures in it DSK, Sarkozy, jewish prez of France, and others...looked like a regular ceremony down at the Lodge...with Faisal presiding...looks like BHO got initated....You might want to do some research on the House of Saud, btw,...might be surprizing who they are...
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  If I didn't know better.... I'd say somebody is trying fan conflict between the Christians and the moosilims.. ;) :) ;) :D  Cui bono..?
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2012, 06:43:09 AM »
BLIND EAR. Good post Sir, all true. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2012, 02:57:51 PM »
If a non democrat president spent that much time praising one religion he would be villified by the media and it wouldnt matter much to them which religion he was praising.
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2012, 03:21:50 PM »
blind ear, lakota, and powderman, all good posts.   well spoken and true.

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We learned the true nature of Islam on 11 Sept 2001.

Show your appreciation for Islam....eat more bacon.

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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2012, 04:03:22 PM »
ST. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, guess what it is?? POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2012, 04:43:06 PM »
What a joke you guys are, a cut up video, Obama is a better christian than any of you guys are.
All you guys do is mislead people thats not what a good christian is or a good leader.
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2012, 04:47:51 PM »
What a joke you guys are, a cut up video, Obama is a better christian than any of you guys.
I do like the depth of thought that went into this.  The step by step logic.  The flawlessly researched facts.  The clear minded analysis, the broad generalizations, the disregard for the rules...  I should just delete it and move on... but, maybe it's better left as a calling card for your "cause".  After all, one can generally know someone by their fruit...

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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2012, 04:58:32 PM »
I see you can dish it out, but you can't take it.  so true *
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2012, 05:11:22 PM »
I see you can dish it out, but you can't take it.  so true *
I'm sorry, if you've ever refered to me in any way I must have missed it, thus I'm not sure what I am to be "taking".  If you would like for me to "take" something please feel free to send me a PM.  Otherwise we're moving back to the topic at hand.

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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2012, 01:39:08 AM »
obama is a Christian when it's politically expedient.
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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2012, 02:03:46 AM »
Bugeye, you are absolutley correst. Their own religion tells them to lie and cheat, for the greater good. gypsyman
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2012, 04:18:53 AM »
andy. What exactly do you think a Christian is?? If you think that Christians promote gay marriage and killing babies you are sadly mistaken. Give us your  definition of a Christian please. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2012, 04:33:13 AM »
  First frame of TM's cartoon above ridicules those who believe that some of the radical Muslims may not be in favor of freedom itself.  Where would they ever get such a weird idea ?
 
      well....  "There are none so blind as those who will not see."
 
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2012, 10:30:55 AM »
What a joke you guys are, a cut up video, Obama is a better christian than any of you guys.
I do like the depth of thought that went into this.  The step by step logic.  The flawlessly researched facts.  The clear minded analysis, the broad generalizations, the disregard for the rules...  I should just delete it and move on... but, maybe it's better left as a calling card for your "cause".  After all, one can generally know someone by their fruit...

Dukkillr,

Outstanding post, sir!   I salute you......

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Show your appreciation for Islam....eat more bacon.

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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2012, 10:33:11 AM »
ironglow,

Excellent post, sir.    They say a picture is worth a thousand words.   I think you got a prize-winner there.  I think we should call it the Baconi Award.   

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We learned the true nature of Islam on 11 Sept 2001.

Show your appreciation for Islam....eat more bacon.

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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2012, 02:25:39 PM »
obama is a Christian when it's politically expedient.


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In his own words; Bush on IslamStaff07/07/200
More than any other American President, President George Bush has made more comments about Islam than any other president. Here is yet another compilation of the President's quotes on Islam. Add this to your collection when you have to debate Muslims that favor Democrats. What have Democratic administrations ever said?
PRESIDENT BUSH'S QUOTES ON ISLAM
In the President’s Words: Respecting Islam
The United States is a nation dedicated to religious tolerance and freedom, and President Bush has acted to ensure that the world's Muslims know that America appreciates and celebrates the traditions of Islam.
  • "Here in the United States our Muslim citizens are making many contributions in business, science and law, medicine and education, and in other fields. Muslim members of our Armed Forces and of my administration are serving their fellow Americans with distinction, upholding our nation's ideals of liberty and justice in a world at peace."Remarks by the President on Eid Al-Fitr
    The Islamic Center of Washington, D.C.
    December 5, 2002
  • "Over the past month, Muslims have fasted, taking no food or water during daylight hours, in order to refocus their minds on faith and redirect their hearts to charity. Muslims worldwide have stretched out a hand of mercy to those in need. Charity tables at which the poor can break their fast line the streets of cities and towns. And gifts of food and clothing and money are distributed to ensure that all share in God's abundance. Muslims often invite members of other families to their evening iftar meals, demonstrating a spirit of tolerance."Remarks by the President on Eid Al-Fitr
    The Islamic Center of Washington, D.C.
    December 5, 2002
  • "America treasures the relationship we have with our many Muslim friends, and we respect the vibrant faith of Islam which inspires countless individuals to lead lives of honesty, integrity, and morality. This year, may Eid also be a time in which we recognize the values of progress, pluralism, and acceptance that bind us together as a Nation and a global community. By working together to advance mutual understanding, we point the way to a brighter future for all."Presidential Message Eid al-Fitr
    December 5, 2002
  • "Islam brings hope and comfort to millions of people in my country, and to more than a billion people worldwide. Ramadan is also an occasion to remember that Islam gave birth to a rich civilization of learning that has benefited mankind."President's Eid al-Fitr Greeting to Muslims around the World
    December 4, 2002
  • "Ours is a war not against a religion, not against the Muslim faith. But ours is a war against individuals who absolutely hate what America stands for, and hate the freedom of the Czech Republic. And therefore, we must work together to defend ourselves. And by remaining strong and united and tough, we'll prevail."Press Conference by President Bush and President Havel of Czech Republic
    Prague Castle, Prague, Czech Republic
    November 20, 2002
  • "Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."Remarks by President George W. Bush in a statement to reporters during a meeting with U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan
    The Oval Office, Washington, DC
    November 13, 2002
  • "We see in Islam a religion that traces its origins back to God's call on Abraham. We share your belief in God's justice, and your insistence on man's moral responsibility. We thank the many Muslim nations who stand with us against terror. Nations that are often victims of terror, themselves."President Hosts Iftaar Dinner
    Remarks by the President at Iftaar Dinner
    State Dining Room
  • "Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion."Remarks by President George W. Bush on U.S. Humanitarian Aid to Afghanistan
    Presidential Hall, Dwight David Eisenhower Executive Office Building, Washington, D.C.
    October 11, 2002
  • "Islam is a faith that brings comfort to people. It inspires them to lead lives based on honesty, and justice, and compassion."Remarks by President George W. Bush on U.S. Humanitarian Aid to Afghanistan
    Presidential Hall, Dwight David Eisenhower Executive Office Building, Washington, D.C.
    October 11, 2002
  • "All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith -- face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."President George W. Bush Holds Roundtable with Arab and Muslim-American Leaders
    Afghanistan Embassy, Washington, D.C.
    September 10, 2002
  • "If liberty can blossom in the rocky soil of the West Bank and Gaza, it will inspire millions of men and women around the globe who are equally weary of poverty and oppression, equally entitled to the benefits of democratic government. I have a hope for the people of Muslim countries. Your commitments to morality, and learning, and tolerance led to great historical achievements. And those values are alive in the Islamic world today. You have a rich culture, and you share the aspirations of men and women in every culture. Prosperity and freedom and dignity are not just American hopes, or Western hopes. They are universal, human hopes. And even in the violence and turmoil of the Middle East, America believes those hopes have the power to transform lives and nations."President George W. Bush Calls for New Palestinian Leadership
    The Rose Garden, Washington, D.C.
    June 24, 2002
  • "When it comes to the common rights and needs of men and women, there is no clash of civilizations. The requirements of freedom apply fully to Africa and Latin America and the entire Islamic world. The peoples of the Islamic nations want and deserve the same freedoms and opportunities as people in every nation. And their governments should listen to their hopes."Remarks by the President George W. Bush at the 2002 Graduation Exercise of the United States Military Academy
    West Point, New York
    June 1, 2002
  • "America rejects bigotry. We reject every act of hatred against people of Arab background or Muslim faith America values and welcomes peaceful people of all faiths -- Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu and many others. Every faith is practiced and protected here, because we are one country. Every immigrant can be fully and equally American because we're one country. Race and color should not divide us, because America is one country."President George W. Bush Promotes Compassionate Conservatism
    Parkside Hall, San Jose, California
    April 30, 2002
  • "We're taking action against evil people. Because this great nation of many religions understands, our war is not against Islam, or against faith practiced by the Muslim people. Our war is a war against evil. This is clearly a case of good versus evil, and make no mistake about it -- good will prevail."Remarks by the President George W. Bush at a Town Hall Meeting with Citizens of Ontario
    Ontario Convention Center, Ontario, California
    January 5, 2002
  • "Eid is a time of joy, after a season of fasting and prayer and reflection. Each year, the end of Ramadan means celebration and thanksgiving for millions of Americans. And your joy during this season enriches the life of our great country. This year, Eid is celebrated at the same time as Hanukkah and Advent. So it's a good time for people of these great faiths, Islam, Judaism and Christianity, to remember how much we have in common: devotion to family, a commitment to care for those in need, a belief in God and His justice, and the hope for peace on earth."Remarks by the President in Honor of Eid Al-Fitr
    The Diplomatic Reception Room
    December 17, 2001
  • "The teachings of many faiths share much in common. And people of many faiths are united in our commitments to love our families, to protect our children, and to build a more peaceful world. In the coming year, let us resolve to seize opportunities to work together in a spirit of friendship and cooperation. Through our combined efforts, we can end terrorism and rid our civilization of the damaging effects of hatred and intolerance, ultimately achieving a brighter future for all."President's Message for Eid al-Fitr
    December 13, 2001
  • "According to Muslim teachings, God first revealed His word in the Holy Qur'an to the prophet, Muhammad, during the month of Ramadan. That word has guided billions of believers across the centuries, and those believers built a culture of learning and literature and science. All the world continues to benefit from this faith and its achievements."Remarks by the President George W. Bush At Iftaar Dinner
    The State Dining Room, Washington, D.C.
    November 19, 2001
  • "The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur'an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace."President George W. Bush's Message for Ramadan
    November 15, 2001
  • "This new enemy seeks to destroy our freedom and impose its views. We value life; the terrorists ruthlessly destroy it. We value education; the terrorists do not believe women should be educated or should have health care, or should leave their homes. We value the right to speak our minds; for the terrorists, free expression can be grounds for execution. We respect people of all faiths and welcome the free practice of religion; our enemy wants to dictate how to think and how to worship even to their fellow Muslims."President George W. Bush Addresses the Nation
    World Congress Center, Atlanta, Georgia
    November 8, 2001
  • "All of us here today understand this: We do not fight Islam, we fight against evil."Remarks by President George W. Bush to the Warsaw Conference on Combating Terrorism
    November 6, 2001
  • "I have assured His Majesty that our war is against evil, not against Islam. There are thousands of Muslims who proudly call themselves Americans, and they know what I know -- that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion. The exact opposite of the teachings of the al Qaeda organization, which is based upon evil and hate and destruction."Remarks by President George W. Bush and His Majesty King Abdullah of Jordan
    The Oval Office, Washington, D.C.
    September 28, 2001
  • "Americans understand we fight not a religion; ours is not a campaign against the Muslim faith. Ours is a campaign against evil."President George W. Bush Remarks by the President to Airline Employees
    O'Hare International Airport, Chicago, Illinois
    September 27, 2001

    "The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them."
    President George W. Bush's Address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People
    United States Capitol, Washington, D.C.
    September 20, 2001
  • "I've made it clear, Madam President, that the war against terrorism is not a war against Muslims, nor is it a war against Arabs. It's a war against evil people who conduct crimes against innocent people."Remarks by President George W. Bush and President Megawati of Indonesia
    The Oval Office, Washington, D.C.
    September 19, 2001
  • "The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war."Remarks by the President at Islamic Center of Washington, D.C.
    Washington, D.C.

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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2012, 05:09:21 PM »
Hunter. Your point is what?? Most of those statements were made shortly after, or within a year of the murders of 3,000 innocents by the followers of that pedophile false prophet mohamed. Bush said whatever was necessary to have free access to foreign lands hostile to us. If you think that pres Bush didn't know what islam really is, I believe you are sadly mistaken. He said and did whatever was necessary to protect us at the time. Your dislike of pres Bush is duly noted. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2012, 05:34:04 PM »
Hunter. Your point is what??
I'll speculate that the point is... President Bush wasn't nearly as obnoxious towards Muslims, and many of his supporters? Just a guess.
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Most of those statements were made shortly after, or within a year of the murders of 3,000 innocents by the followers of that pedophile false prophet mohamed. Bush said whatever was necessary to have free access to foreign lands hostile to us.
Here I was, thinking that only democrat ideologues were calling Bush a liar...
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If you think that pres Bush didn't know what islam really is, I believe you are sadly mistaken. He said and did whatever was necessary to protect us at the time. Your dislike of pres Bush is duly noted. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
your holding politicians you like to diff standard than those you don't is duly noted.


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Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2012, 06:39:06 PM »
Hunter. Your point is what?? Most of those statements were made shortly after, or within a year of the murders of 3,000 innocents by the followers of that pedophile false prophet mohamed. Bush said whatever was necessary to have free access to foreign lands hostile to us. If you think that pres Bush didn't know what islam really is, I believe you are sadly mistaken. He said and did whatever was necessary to protect us at the time. Your dislike of pres Bush is duly noted. POWDERMAN.  :o :o




PM , If you haven't got the point ::) ......My dislike for Bush is no more than my dislike for all these liars. He lied to me and others in my party and I helped to elect him. I think Obama is a Manchurian President as well.Problem I have is....Every time I start to throw darts at his picture on the wall, I wish I had placed Senor Boosh right along side of him.


We haven't learned a thing! Were getting ready to do it all over again with this Manchurian candidate named Romney! Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word we.........Some of us have come to our senses.


 
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2012, 12:42:41 AM »
  Should we be surprised that Obama is pro-muslim ?
 
   Blame Bush is an old, worn out game.   
 
  If obama gets re-elected he willm appoint more to SCOTUS, effectively changing our country to a slave state.  Let's concentrate on ousting Obama with whatever/whoever we can muster and quit whining about 4, 8, 16 or 24 years ago...
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2012, 02:10:34 AM »
Blame Bush is an old, worn out game.
So is xenophobic trashing of Muslims, and reichwing nuttery re: Obama's birthplace/religion, but they continue unabated...
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2012, 02:18:01 AM »
Just to interject some American tradition and law as it relates to religion ...

Our country was not founded as a Christian theocracy;
   it was founded on the basis of religious PLURALISM, by Christians, Jews and other Deists. I find it an honorable reflection that devout Bible following men who had the opportunity to make this new country into the image of their own faith, chose the higher ground of liberty, confident that truth wins when its unfettered.

Pluralism, simply put, is the free market of ideas in which in the eyes of the government, no religion has greater merit than another. As codifed in the 1st Amendment, all citizens have a right to follow the faith to which they cling, and no one is required to follow them, or agree with them. But we do have to respect, honor their right to be wrong, just as they must return in kind for us. We get into problems when we foist religion on someone else, or expect them to adhere.

But what is religion? Is religion being pro-choice? Sharia law? Is it moral rules constricting behavior? No ... actually, religion is a belief about how things work and relate to the divine. Morals are derived from our religion, but they do not define the religion. And the morality laws of our nation were extrapolated not from one religion, but on the consensus of representatives of several religions who all agreed on certain moral boundaries in our community. Truth be told, Islam takes a tougher stand on abortion than our "Judeo-Christian" nation has ever taken. Its self-proclaimed Jews and Christians in our nation that have taken up the cause of pro-choice ... very sad.

President Bush had his flaws, but he understood the restriction of his office, and his statements above were neither for nor against Islam. They were simply a statement of our national heritage of pluralism. That is appropriate speech for a president, and does not in any way shape or form indicate an abandonment of his own convictions as a growing Christian. President Obama would do well to take note.

But if you compare the content of his speech with the content of President Obama's, it is very clear to me, as an academic in the field of comparative religions, that Obama lacks a unifying faith. He is what we would call "spiritual" as opposed to "religious". He is not a Christian, Muslim or Jew ... he draws on ideas from anything he finds as they suit his purpose. I've mentioned it here before, he is what we call a Moral Therapeutic Deist. He also is a Subjective Moralist, which means as fluid as his ideas are, so can his behavior - Morals - be as well. There are no absolutes to this man, just what works at the moment. This is his essential nature, upon which his politics have been built. When you recognize that, he makes sense ... within his own context.

If he were a Muslim, he would be under fatwah for his policies on abortion and homosexuality. He would be banned from the Hajj were he not a public figure. He is the subject of many many jokes in the Muslim world - in Arabic, Farsi, Tagalog, etc. - that are typically of a racial nature. The Muslim world has no regard for him as a man, never mind a leader. And as a person that was raised to understand the Muslim faith, he understands it, which I believe is why he very quickly apologizes to Islam. He has a sense of shame about himself in that context. It also explains his arrogance towards us - he is a man compensating for himself.
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2012, 03:24:56 AM »
AS for BHO I figured him for a very cruel man,,,at least capable of incredible cruelty...I also perceive he is an aethiestic fraternalist of some sort...adept in climbing up TPTB circles and believer in One World Governmnet, like his predecessors...
 
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Its true that cruelty is often the other face of insecurity; guilt can drive people to try to stamp out that which they know to be good and right because its very presence reveals their own inadequacies. Atheism is often such a thing - a-theism means "anti" or "against God". To be an atheist requires an acceptance of the reality of a God, in order to then reject God. External justification for such a stance is often the inadequacies of God, but really they had to first humanize God - bring God down to their level - to find fault, and often that fault they see in God is really their own fault on display.

Could very well be why President Obama fails to deliver anything, he lacks real conviction, he desires only to please his audience. Real leadership understands that they are playing to an audience of One.
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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2012, 03:54:27 AM »
good posts, TN. I'm wondering what your analysis might be of our brethren of the John R Rice, Bob Jones, Sword-of-the-Lord variety who cannot think past their own prejudices. Anyhow... glad to see you wearing multiple hats:


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Re: Obama praises Islam
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2012, 04:15:59 AM »
TNEL...good points that the USA is not a theocracy, i.e. no state authorized religion here that we know about; but instead all faiths and creeds are recgonized on equal footing.....on equal footing and acceptance; that means we should be able to examine and talk about all the various religions, comparatively speaking, as we choose without encumberances in any areas. ..TM7

Really? So if we talk about Islam and it's pedophile founder do you think we should not have to fear being murdered by it's followers for disagreeing with it?
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