.300 Blackout???

[Rustyinfla]

     Has anyone heard any more news on the .300 Blackout? Any Handi's in this caliber yet?

[quickdtoo]

Still $359 in March, only available thru AAC dealers tho I think, no updates on it there since January tho, that's not too encouraging.

Tim

http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=138&t=77957

[twoshooter]

Anybody have a handle on who the AAC dealers are? Who will be the distributors, like Dick's, Mid-South, I have no idea of names to look for. If this does not pan out I need to switch gears and buy 1 more barrel here and then quit for awhile and re-group.

[MrChaos]

Anybody have a handle on who the AAC dealers are? Who will be the distributors, like Dick's, Mid-South, I have no idea of names to look for. If this does not pan out I need to switch gears and buy 1 more barrel here and then quit for awhile and re-group.

I am assuming it will be anyone who carries their silencers.

[Jason F]

google (pre order 300 aac handi)

enter your credit card to get on list

[ibgp3]

When you go by your neighborhood silencer dealer, you can tell them that what you want is on page 79 of the new AAC catalog. (The "can" is not included)





1:7 twist!!

[steinkalt]

http://shop.bullseyeindoorrange.com/AAC-300BLK-Handi-Rifle-PRE-ORDER-ONLY-Handi-Rifle.htm
dont know if anyone else here has seen this........

[ibgp3]

"...if everybody who wants one sends me a deposit!!!!......"
That thought has put dollar signs in more than one set of eyes.
...and it isn't a scam.
It all depends on how AAC handles their business.
Bullseye may get the total production for a couple of years and I will wish I had signed up with them. Or, AAC may spread the units around, in which case it will take years for Bullseye's orders to be filled.
I'm betting that AAC will use these as promotional merchandise, and favor their regular dealers, (so I asked my neighborhood silencer dealer to order one for me.)

[LaOtto222]

Savage was going to offer a 300 Blackout rifle, but they said they could not get good accuracy out of high velocity loads, so they have dropped it.
 
http://www.savagearms.com/

[ibgp3]

AAC wants a can on the front of theirs and that calls for sub-sonic loads.
AAC got 1:7 barrels made.
...1:7 barrels will not be good for high velocity with a small cartridge.
...1:7 barrels will probably not ever come from Ilion.


A 30/30 with a 1:10 twist will do a lot of things a lot better.


I still want a .300 blk.

[LaOtto222]

I know this is not a Handi Rifle, but if you have a Savage action, you could make one at a reasonable cost by swapping out a barrel. This one is a 1-8" twist.


http://www.midwayusa.com/product/988445/e-r-shaw-barrel-savage-10-110-small-shank-300-aac-blackout-1-in-8-twist-16-1-2-sporter-contour-matte-with-58-24-threaded-muzzle

[ibgp3]

Thanks Otto, that looks like a good choice, but.........

This is what I really want.
A rim cut on the barrel & cartridges made from .357.
.....almost a 32-20 Improved.

Here is one made up with a Midway surplus pull 147Gr FMJBT inverted.

[twoshooter]

Yup, my thoughts exactly, I have a post with a picture of a load I made with a 123 gr, I dont need high speed loads , say 1800 fps with hard cast 115 gr, or with an 85 gr HP. A 32/20 redux.....

[Dinny]

Savage was going to offer a 300 Blackout rifle, but they said they could not get good accuracy out of high velocity loads, so they have dropped it.
 
http://www.savagearms.com/

FYI, actually you have the info switched around. "This exhaustive testing left us quite unsatisfied with the accuracy we were able to get from the subsonic loads in this chambering. Accuracy with the lighter, faster loads in this caliber was actually quite good" 

Thanks, Dinny

[LaOtto222]

I stand corrected. Bottom line is, Savage is not going to produce any riffles in 300 Black Out

[Dinny]

I just wish Savage would have mentioned which twist rate they tested. That would be good for us to know.

Thanks, Dinny

[cudatruck]

im confused .. again. could you just put a silencer on a 32-20?
 

[ibgp3]

I just wish Savage would have mentioned which twist rate they tested. That would be good for us to know.

Thanks, Dinny

If you take them at their word, "exhaustive testing" would include "all" twist rates.
(fat chance?)

[ibgp3]

im confused .. again. could you just put a silencer on a 32-20?

32-20's are almost as rare as hen's teeth.
I don't intend to add a silencer.
I do like small efficient (rimmed) cartridges.

[Ol BW]

Well I know it doesn't wear a rim, but since your talking about handloading anyway, you could get a 7.62x39 barrel for your handi and do anything the .300AAC would do except work in an AR mag.  Don't think you'll have to worry about that in a Handi Rifle!

[ibgp3]

7.62x39 has a lot going for it, but.....


....sometimes a bias gets stuck. It was on the other side.


...and I won't have one. Everyone else is welcome to them.


In some ways it's my loss, but its how I feel.

[Dinny]

7.62x39 has a lot going for it, but.....
...and I won't have one. Everyone else is welcome to them.

I'm there with ya! I bet for the same reason too.

Thanks, Dinny

[Littlepage]

Remington ammo is 125gr and 220gr. Wouldn't you need a different twist for each?  Greenmountain blank is 1-8.  I think a ak 47 barrelis1-9.5.   Would you need a faster twist for 220gr?

[twoshooter]

Back to the 7.62x39, it has the same problem as many other chamberings, brass availability. The auto boys soak it up and there may be an availability problem. With the blackout you could cut, trim and reform 17 rem, 221,222,223, 357mag 360 DW. I had thought seriously about reaming a 357 out to Max, but looking at brass availability, why bother, I would rather go Herrett if I want to jack it up, as 30/30 brass is all over and cheap.

[ibgp3]

Remington ammo is 125gr and 220gr. Wouldn't you need a different twist for each?  Greenmountain blank is 1-8.  I think a ak 47 barrelis1-9.5.   Would you need a faster twist for 220gr?

The AAC catalog page back in Reply#5 says that the barrel is "compatible" with bullets from 110gr to 240 gr. One write-up I saw said the barrel did not come from H&R (Remington?) because they did not have a fast enough twist rate available. The 1:9.5 mentioned above for instance would probably not stabilize the heavier bullets. (1:8 might not be enough.)


Maybe that was what turned Savage off; they didn't have a source (they liked) for fast enough twist barrels.

[ibgp3]

Back to the 7.62x39, it has the same problem as many other chamberings, brass availability. The auto boys soak it up and there may be an availability problem. With the blackout you could cut, trim and reform 17 rem, 221,222,223, 357mag 360 DW. I had thought seriously about reaming a 357 out to Max, but looking at brass availability, why bother, I would rather go Herrett if I want to jack it up, as 30/30 brass is all over and cheap.

The weak point in 7.62x39 brass seems to be the large primer pocket. 6.5 Grendel has 7.62x39 as its parent cartridge, but new Grendel brass is made for small primers. Even Remington 7.62x39's have loose pockets on the first reloading.


How many rounds of brass do I need for a Handi? I have a 7TCU that I like a lot. Any time I go to the range it goes along. I take a box of 50 rounds, and it always comes home at least half full. I suspect that it would be a long time before I needed more than those 50 rounds of brass.


I have a maxi-based 6.5mm on the gunsmith's schedule to be built. (Basically a 6.5TCU rimmed.) If I could only get 50 rounds of brass, I wouldn't be worried.


A .357 maxi chamber will take 3 different modern factory cartridges; the Herret will take none.

[petemi]

im confused .. again. could you just put a silencer on a 32-20?

32-20's are almost as rare as hen's teeth.
I don't intend to add a silencer.
I do like small efficient (rimmed) cartridges.

The .32-20 is alive and well.  Ask trotterlg, cwlongshot, Spanky, myself and others.  Here's  an article by Jim Taylor giving some very interesting loads, including totally silent.  As long as I have my .32-20, I see no need for a Blackout.  I can shoot .303 bullets and 7.62x39s as heavy as they make them or little 60 grainers with velocities ranging from 420 fps. silent loads to 2300+.  To me, the .32-20 is about as versatile as you can get.  My "Trotter Special" was built on a .303 barrel.

http://www.gunweek.com/2000/feature0801.html

Pete

[ibgp3]

The .32-20 is alive and well.  Ask trotterlg, cwlongshot, Spanky, myself and others.  Here's  an article by Jim Taylor giving some very interesting loads, including totally silent.  As long as I have my .32-20, I see no need for a Blackout.  I can shoot .303 bullets and 7.62x39s as heavy as they make them or little 60 grainers with velocities ranging from 420 fps. silent loads to 2300+.  To me, the .32-20 is about as versatile as you can get.  My "Trotter Special" was built on a .303 barrel.


Pete

...and as soon as I get my 300BLK rimmed I will be as close as I ever expect to get to a 32-20.

[giddens1972]

I was once interested in the caliber, but just like a lot of other things I have....I don't have a use for it!  I think it may be a great caliber for certain applications, but so was the 300 whisper.  That being said, I would probably buy one if I found it CHEAP...otherwise I can buy a handi and a bunch of reloading supplies in a caliber that I can actually use for the price they're asking for just the rifle.  Just my pennies worth.

[ibgp3]

I was once interested in the caliber, but just like a lot of other things I have....I don't have a use for it! ....... That being said, I would probably buy one if I found it CHEAP...

.....and I think that is as good a description of a Handi-holic as there is. (I know I qualify.)


....the only question I see is the definition of "CHEAP".