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Offline Lost Farmboy

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Re: Did Obama do it ?
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2012, 12:44:20 PM »
Too much kool-aide again IG?.. Brietbart died from the poison from his own vitriol..going around poisoning the well... ;)
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IG, I cant say I buy that theory, but you know better than to post it here.  This is a play ground for one person, and he doesnt like it when other people try to use the play ground equipment.

 
That's not true. This is my playground too. I think Matt likes the swings and others here seem to like the slides. Some like the teeter totters too.
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Re: Did Obama do it ?
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2012, 05:58:42 PM »
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That type of hatred is usually imparted by parents when people are kids; it then becomes a lifelong disability.
 

Interesting theory could be some truth to it.

Growing up I don't really recall being taught to hate anyone tho clearly my father seemed to hate most of his family and I saw few of them and didn't even know the names of his sisters only his two brothers whom he still talked with occasionally. I suppose in our house blacks weren't particularly well tho of but certainly not hated and one even came and helped mom and granny with the laundry some times.

Many of the boys in the neighborhood who were several years older than me used to go up and fight and generally make war with the blacks who lived not so far away. I recall some of them around my age coming down to the school yard and joining us in ball games from time to time.

I guess in those days I didn't even know muzlims existed. At least I can't say that I recall ever hearing the term until perhaps my college days. Jews I heard of but mostly in the context of "jewing someone down on the price" and that Jews ran the banks. Sure we had history lessons and heard of the holicaust there. I can't say I have any love or hate either for them. I accept that the Bible says they are GOD's chosen so figure they can't be all that bad. Dunno that I've ever had any personal dealings with any Jews to know that much about them other than what I read.

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I think it’s time for the open question to Greybeard; is this blog what you envisioned when you created it, do you think it represents the world views of even a small fraction of your forums members, what effect do you think it has on potential members as they stop by GBO to look around and does it bother you that you’ve in essence created a blackboard for a single persons benefit to cut and paste an anti-Semitic fueled alternative reality?

I suppose that would be a fair question except for a couple of points. First I've not seen that Greybeard fellow on line in months. He makes an occasional appearance once or twice a year. Maybe he'll see this and comment on it. As you might notice from my user name I'm Graybeard.  :o

Second I don't reckon I have a blog at least if I do I'm not aware of it. This is a forum discussion site and quite honestly I don't even know what a blog is or how one runs one. Let's assume tho for the sake of argument that's merely semantics.

I didn't start this particular forum and have never really cared for it. This is Matt's baby not mine. He and Heather are the moderators here. I seldom read or post here but your post was reported by someone and as Site Admin and co-owner wit Matt I get an e-mail of every reported post so I dropped by to see what the issue was.

As to the site as a whole I'm not even sure I still remember what I expected when I first told Matt to set me up a site. I don't recall that forums were actually a part of it and perhaps what now passes as a blog was what I actually did have in mind. I wrote some stuff to tell the world who I was and what my interests were and where I hung out when online which back them was: Shooter's.com, Hunt Info, The Coffee Shop and a site called SPAV. In those early days those were about the only shooting/hunting general interest sites I was able to locate. That would have been perhaps late '96 to early '97 time frame.

At some point after that I told Matt I'd like to have some forums on my site so he got us hooked up with a free forum hosting site that only allowed a maximum of 200 posts. After that they pruned them off based on age not on thread but post age so the post that started threads disappeared and left replies to it. I told him that wasn't gonna cut it so he wrote some software and we began using it. We've made two software changes since then and after we left Matt's software everyone had to registeer again and we lost all the threads and posts as the current type format wasn't compatible with the old software. I think that was around 2002 but I don't remember.

Early on I had made a decision that the forums here would not be allowed to degenerate to name calling and personal attacks like happened so often on other sites I visited. I didn't want foul language used and decided our target audience was CHRISTian families and that all posts and threads allowed to remain needed to be suitable reading for all such members to include the children. I've strived to meet that goal ever since.

This forum isn't one I particularly approve of but as I said I didn't set it up Matt did. I do not think his goal had anything to do with the argument of Jews versus muzlims but he will need to address his intentions and he will have to take responsibility for how it is run as he and Heather are in charge of this particular forum on the site.

I'd as soon the hate muzlims/hate Jews posts all ended and I don't as a rule post to them or read them unless someone reports a post and I take a look to see why. That would sure upset the apple cart for some who post here. We do at least allow both the pro muzlim/anti Jew folks and the pro Jew/anti muzlim folks the opportunity to spew their vitrol at each other.

As you say this is a hunting/shooting/fishing site primarily and we have some forums for regular members to post about other things of interest to them while here but the core of the site is hunting/shooting/fishing/trapping and other outdoor related activities.


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Re: Did Obama do it ?
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2012, 10:51:00 AM »
After reading this thread (much of which I don't understand), I'd like to make two observations:
1)   Jews are God's chosen people; therefore, I love them and I believe the U.S. should never abandon them and should always be quick to take their side.
2)  Nuke seems to be correct in everything he says.  It's plain to me he won't let crap pass when it's dead wrong and obviously wrong to a rational reader.

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Re: Did Obama do it ?
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2012, 11:44:54 AM »
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Did Obama do it ?
Do what?
Andrew Died of a heart attack on Late Sunday night early Monday morning as he was out for a walk in the LA area.
Andrew was a limo Liberal growing up and came to realize that liberals are all full of Horse hockey.
Andrew was one of the founders of the Tea Party movment, he started the Huffington Post when it was conservitive, help launch Drudge Report, and was the one to expose Acorn and the voter fraud, the shanigans with funds  and how when congress cut off funding to Acorn the president continued to fund it by having the ACORN offices change their names.  (how long did we hear about Haliburton and Chainey? why are we not hearing about Obama and Acorn?  Chaney worked for Haliburton and some federal jobs went to them, but it was an open bid, here we have a former employee funneling tax $ illegally and queitly to his former company directly.) 
Well, Andrew was 43 years old and died of a heart attack the day before he was going to announce the latest Obama scandal. 
The Question is Did Obama or his supporters have Andrew killed so he would not reviel more about Obama that could or would be used against him.  Much like the Brown Plane crash and the car chase under the Clinton's.
 
 

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Re: Did Obama do it ?
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2012, 11:55:53 AM »
I think it’s time for the open question to Greybeard; is this blog what you envisioned when you created it, do you think it represents the world views of even a small fraction of your forums members, what effect do you think it has on potential members as they stop by GBO to look around and does it bother you that you’ve in essence created a blackboard for a single persons benefit to cut and paste an anti-Semitic fueled alternative reality?
 
If the heart of a gun forum are the gun blogs then the soul of the forum must be its non-gun blogs.  For all the thousands of GBO members the “Truth, Lies and Conspiracy Theories” blog is the domain of a single person, to further his hate filled beliefs, nobody else need attempt to post something or to counter his ridiculous postings.  The few of us that challenge his nonsense become “Zionist agents”, “working for the cabal”, or whatever else his fevered mind can imagine.  There’s no point in soft-serving it or trying to disguise what’s being posted here as “truth”, no point in hiding behind false arguments like “I don’t mind the Jews, it’s the Zionists I’m against”, that’s the same as someone saying “some of my best friends are blacks” as they light the cross in a black man’s yard.  At the end of the day the “Truth, Lies and Conspiracy Theories” blog is a soft-served version of what you find on the unvarnished hate sites.
 
Sure this stuff is all over the internet already, visit any neo-Nazi, white supremacist or anti-Semitic page and it’s all there.  The difference is this forum is a GUN forum.  I’m retired military, currently working for the government, Southern, Republican, conservative, and according to my wife I own way more guns than I really need; I should fall right in the demographic that GBO represents.  Why do I and a small hand full of other GBO members bother countering the nonsense TM7 posts?  Because someone has to show that he doesn’t represent GBO membership and that his anti-Semitic fueled rants are not acceptable to Americans at large and gun owners in particular.

 
Is this attack on the first amendment aimed at TM7 or the first amendment?
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Re: Did Obama do it ?
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2012, 12:00:12 PM »
Right Mcwooduck;
  There are some situations which are ripe for the plucking by "conspiracy theorists' but somehow they seem to ignore them.
  The suspicious appearance of the Vince Foster death.
  Then there was Whitewater & the McDougals..Susan backed the Clintons, while her husband, James turned evidence against them; Susan came out OK, but poor James died suddenly in prison.
     http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19980309&id=Lk5WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=k-sDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7009,2155993
 
   I'm not accusing anyone, but it would seem that the conspiracy addicts would be all over these cases..
     
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« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2012, 12:31:03 PM »
  Ironglow I don't think Vince Fosters death is or was ignored. It's the first thing I thought of when I first read the article. I saw the article about exposing Obama and watched the video first. After watching the video I thought that looks like a dead man talking. Then I read the article and found I was right. Vince Fosters assassination was a sloppy one. Those people are not going to keep making the same mistakes. The sloppy ones establish a pattern. There is no way to count the political assassinations these days, but I think there are a lot of them. James McDougal and the DC madam come to mind. The list is getting longer all the time.
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Re: Did Obama do it ?
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2012, 12:55:44 PM »
Yellow tail,
God, Allah, and Jahova are all the same diety.
The Jewish and Islamic gods are the SAME god so yes.
There were a number if Musluim Units in the German Army.
As the 3rd Reich moved into Eastern Europe they recruited Musliums to fight for them against the godless Commies.
 
When you say the extreme right wing, I think you ment the progressive left.
They are the ones that spout off about freedom of speach and then bash or shout down anyone that does not agree with them. 
These are the same people that tell you the constitution is a living evolving document.  that the founders did not mean to write what they wrote and they would have written it differently if they could see into the future.
You were in the Navy and swore to defend the constitution, what constitution did you pleadge your life to defend, the written one or the We want it to have said this version?
I often wonder how people like Obama, Clinton, Nixon, and most of Congress can pledge to obey and defend it and then blately violate it.  After understanding that the left does not see it as written but being able to me morphed into the communist manefesto or  a combination of Mao's  little red book and Mien Kompff, I understand how and why they can violate what the actual words say.
 
 

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« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2012, 02:33:45 PM »
  Ironglow I don't think Vince Fosters death is or was ignored. It's the first thing I thought of when I first read the article. I saw the article about exposing Obama and watched the video first. After watching the video I thought that looks like a dead man talking. Then I read the article and found I was right. Vince Fosters assassination was a sloppy one. Those people are not going to keep making the same mistakes. The sloppy ones establish a pattern. There is no way to count the political assassinations these days, but I think there are a lot of them. James McDougal and the DC madam come to mind. The list is getting longer all the time.
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  Farmboy;
  You are consistant and I give you credit for that..but there are some here who like to be very eclectic when they are choosing their conspiracies.
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   You simply must get your history straight; the Nazis were not "right-wing" they were lefties..remember "NATIONAL SOCIALISTS"..  Anyone who wants to be dictator knows the way to do it is by way of socialism,.  The simplest way to take  over is to make the majority of the population dependent upon govt handouts, then by way of awarding and withdrawing the goodies get the suckup saps to support them.
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Re: Did Obama do it ?
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2012, 01:01:11 AM »
  Ironglow I don't think Vince Fosters death is or was ignored. It's the first thing I thought of when I first read the article. I saw the article about exposing Obama and watched the video first. After watching the video I thought that looks like a dead man talking. Then I read the article and found I was right. Vince Fosters assassination was a sloppy one. Those people are not going to keep making the same mistakes. The sloppy ones establish a pattern. There is no way to count the political assassinations these days, but I think there are a lot of them. James McDougal and the DC madam come to mind. The list is getting longer all the time.
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  Farmboy;
  You are consistant and I give you credit for that..but there are some here who like to be very eclectic when they are choosing their conspiracies.
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That one is open for wide interpretation. Not sure what you mean by consistent.
The reason I say Vince Foster's assassination is sloppy is that he committed suicide in a park and left no blood there. A lot of people who appose those in power are suddenly dieing of cancer or having convenient heart attacks. I have a long list of these things but don't remember all the details. I don't really feel like looking them up. Don't know if the memory is failing because of age or it just has too much information from reading too much.
I don't choose conspiracies. When things happen I read all the reports. Often times they are inconsistent. The ones that quickly disappear years later turn out to be the true ones. But once labeled a conspiracy theory it's always a conspiracy theory no matter how much evidence or how many confessions come out.
Obama's grandmother conveniently died of cancer soon after she said he was born in Kenya. Did he do it? I don't think so. But some on Wall Street may have been protecting their investment. Did Obama kill Andrew? I do not think so. Again maybe it was some people protecting their investment.
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Re: Did Obama do it ?
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2012, 01:53:09 PM »


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FarmBoy....I like the whirli-go-round.... 8)

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Re: Did Obama do it ?
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2012, 11:14:39 AM »
          
 
 
Is the coast clear? Is it OK to go back to the OP? Did Obama do it?
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Re: Did Obama do it ?
« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2012, 12:27:45 AM »
  Just lately I have realized that i often speak too much in abstracts, irony that has to be figured out..
  The original post inn this thread was meant as a touch of irony..as a thought-provoking question..
 
   Sorry gang, I cannot accept the usual conspiracy-theorist bloggers on an equal level with more established and heavily scrutinized news agencies.  Not to say all major news agencies are honest..but most of their lies are lies of ommission, rather than commission.
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« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2012, 05:21:20 PM »
I stop in here from time to time and things have apparently gotten worse since Nuke entered the picture. It seems to me he want's to discredit and silence any views which differ from his. It's clear enough to me Nukes a plant. Nuke let me ask you. Why are you here ? I mean why are you really here ? Has this become your life quest ? To silence and discredit TM ? Are you being employed to achieve that aim ? If not then why not disappear as quickly as you came here.

I and many others who may not post here have an open mind. We choose to investigate and believe what we wish. We don't need you to intervene on our behalf to save us. You are attempting to control this forum.

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« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2012, 09:13:53 PM »
I never even met a Jew until I was in the USAF.  All the jews I have known have been good decent people, so there lies my prejudice.  As for the OP, who knows anymore.
 

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« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2012, 12:58:35 AM »
I stop in here from time to time and things have apparently gotten worse since Nuke entered the picture. It seems to me he want's to discredit and silence any views which differ from his. It's clear enough to me Nukes a plant. Nuke let me ask you. Why are you here ? I mean why are you really here ? Has this become your life quest ? To silence and discredit TM ? Are you being employed to achieve that aim ? If not then why not disappear as quickly as you came here.

I and many others who may not post here have an open mind. We choose to investigate and believe what we wish. We don't need you to intervene on our behalf to save us. You are attempting to control this forum.
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  Suba;
   I don't see it that way; most of us who venture into the "Politics, Religion and the News" section have strong opinions..that is probably what attracts us to the forum.  Look over the list of contributors..almost every one has strong opinions !
  Just think...if everybody agreed and joined together singing "kumbayah".. what would the forum be worth ?
   If you disagree with Nuke, don't try to smear him..slay him with facts and proofs.
  I rarely visit 'conspiracy theories' because I believe that perhaps 1 or 2 in a 100 have a solid base.
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  Take a clue from George... don't try to "psyche" him away.. beat him with 'factual fists'... ;)
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« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2012, 05:19:15 AM »
  I'm not saying Nuke is either all right or all wrong..just that he has some strong opinions..just as I ..and most on this forum do.
  I won't get into the context other than to say..yes, the Jews often come off treated roughly here....just as Muslims or anyu  others often are.  Many jump to the Muslim's defense..we should expect others to do the same for Jews.  ...Human nature.
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« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2012, 11:32:53 AM »
ig....thank you for your balance. TM ...thank you for your courage. Together people can make a difference. That's been proven over millennium. I'm not a fatalist ( I think ) but we are all simply dust blowing in the wind. Yes we can be instrumental  in the direction humanity will take but ultimately and sadly we as common people have virtually no say. The powerful and wealthy sadly control much of what we think and much of what we believe. They control the destiny of our planet. In the end our planet will cease to support life as we know it. But so what ? the wealthy and powerful will still live well. The rest of humanity will suffer.

My point is that I have no point. I'm simply an ex Marine who served in Vietnam and grew old before his time.