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Took the 10mm plunge
« on: March 02, 2012, 11:10:34 AM »
Have been looking for the best compromise in a hog hunting backup/sidearm.  So many folks have told me to try the 10mm that I finally picked one up - a Tanfoglio Elite Witness Match.  I have read all the complaints about their slides cracking with hotter loads (but not THAT hot), but I handled both a full size G20 and a G20SF - neither was comfortable for me, so I figured I would not shoot either worth squat.  The Tanfo has a nice contoured grip, and the Match has only a partially contoured slide.  I plan on installing a 20 lb Wolff recoil spring and will hope for the best.  But man - I am used to shooting larger revolver calibers and I am sitting here looking at what looks like a tiny 10 mm auto cartridge.  How much of this 10mm craze is hype?  Would I have been better off just with a GP100 and Doubletapp 200 grainers??  Have not had a chance to shoot this bad boy yet.  I know, fine time to ask - after the fact ::) .

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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 12:37:36 PM »
You may want to send Ron Reed (www.reedsammo.com) a message and get his insights.  He is a sponsor of Greybeard Outdoors who has a lot of experience with EAA products.  These pistols are supposed to be some kind of accurate and folks have won a number matches with them.  I hope you will be pleased with yours.

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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 01:55:01 PM »
Thanks for the positive feedback and the link.  I have heard from a number of Tanfo owners that they can be quite accurate -  whole lot prettier than Glocks too  8) .

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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 02:25:45 PM »
From my research the 10mm will send the same weight bullet as a .357 faster out of a shorter barrel. 

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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2012, 01:33:16 AM »
guns-o-fun:  Good on ya.  The Tanfos are a good buy and the 10mm is a great cartridge.  I never heard of any problems with them.  There is a lot of load data available for the 10mm and a number of members here use the 10 for hunting, and it works. 
If you want to shoot 200 gn slugs from your 357, use cast Keith style semiwadcutters from either Mt. Baldy Bullets or Colorado Custom Cast Bullets, WW 296 powder and you can roll better than you can purchase but from a 10mm, a 180 or 200 gn slug will give you all that you want for hog huntin'.  HTH.
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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2012, 01:38:31 AM »
I agree, Congrats on the new hogleg. ;)
 
I would stay with a 200 for hunting, the 10 has the HP to make it preform. The 180 in a better bullet will sufice but I like the 200's better.
 
I have also been on the fence for the G20... I have a Colt Delta and like it fine, but the lure fo the 6" G20 as a rural defensive/hunting gun is strong... ::)
 
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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2012, 12:49:34 AM »
Welcome to the club. While mine isn't one of the most highly sought after, it has preformed well for me over the past 20+ years. Mine is the IAI Javelina with the 7" barrel and long slide. It's a sweet shooting piece of machinery.

While some claim to have found them to be poorly machined, mine came out very well machined and has been accurate over a wide range of loads from the 135gr pills up through the 200's using a variety of powders. I found that the 180gr bullets shot the best overall however and concentrated on them early on. As such the mainstay of my loads have been with the 180gr Gold Dot, as a primary, and the Winchester bulk 180gr JHP's for practice. Both of them shoot to the same POI and group close enough I cannot tell much if any differences out to 50yds.

If you loading your own you will find this to be about as easy as putting together rounds for the 45 ACP. There is quite a bit of data avaliable for most powder manufactureres listed online and plenty more in the reloading manuals. Personally I found the Accurate powders to be ideal for my loads and very simple to keep track of. I used #5 for the 135-140gr bullets, #7 for 150 - 175gr, and #9 for everything heavier. With #9 and the 180gr Gold Dot I can easily hit 1350fps from the 7" barrel with no pressure issues. This said, bumping velocities up in shorter barrels, can get into flattened primer territory pretty easily. While there are some who have had great luck with 800X, I found that in the area I live the temperture swings, combined with upper end loads are simply too erratic for my liking. WHile it may produce some pretty impressive velocities, it isn't nearly as consistent as the Accurate powders have been. One thing to consider if you plan on using yours to hunt hogs, there are plenty of good bullets for this caliber but the Remington Golden Sabre isn't one you want while hunting. While I found it to be EXTREMELY accurate, I also found that it didn't provide enough penetration for reliable hunting purposes. It might be great for a SD situation where you want a quick energy dump, but they simply do not get the job done on a thick hided hog.  This is where the Gold Dot really shined for me as an all around choice. THey are simply the Core Lokt of the handgun bullets, providing the same great performance time and time again, when driven within the proper velocities. THe following pic was a result of a quick hunt I went on with my friend. We dropped 11 hogs in 45 minutes from the time we left until we were back to his barn. The three loaded on the back deck of my Polaris 400 were dropped with my 10mm at around 12 yards max. The little one tucked in between the other two was collateral hit from a pass through.


I also found years ago that Starline cases are hard to beat, and will hold up to as many loads as your able to retreive them for. I cannot say that I have ever actually loaded any one case to the point of discard before loosing the darned thing. THis will however depend upon the support of your chamber as well.

Good luck with your new found acquisition I am sure you will have a ball working through the different ammo whether factory or home rolled. They are a hoot to shoot.

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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2012, 01:57:17 AM »
I've owned a Tanfoglio 10mm since around 2004. Ended up using the 22# recoil spring and extra power firing pin spring from the Wolff calibration pack. I also shortened the ejector to keep my ejected brass in my zip code. Extremely accurate and reliable. I've pushed a lot of reloads, both heavy and light bullets through this baby with nary a whimper. I also have the 9mm and .45 conversion slides from Reeds. The 9mm has got to be one of the most accurate pistols I own. The 10mm is not far behind! I think they are one of the best values out there for the money.
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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2012, 02:15:01 AM »
the 10mm is one of those rounds that should have been a big hit. Ive shot some deer and pigs with it and people that compare its power to the 357 are smoking crack. Its much closer in actual knock down power in real life to full power 41 mags. If ammo and brass availability wasnt so poor i think it would make about the best all around whitetail hunting, self defense, shtf, and general woods bumming handgun a guy could have. Id dearly love to have another one on a comander sized 1911. Something like  kimber cdp would really get me selling off stuff to buy.
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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2012, 04:01:40 AM »
Welcome to the club. While mine isn't one of the most highly sought after, it has preformed well for me over the past 20+ years. Mine is the IAI Javelina with the 7" barrel and long slide. It's a sweet shooting piece of machinery.

Good luck with your new found acquisition I am sure you will have a ball working through the different ammo whether factory or home rolled. They are a hoot to shoot.
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 I remember those!!  I sold more than a few along with the longslide 45. I had a AMT 45 LS for a time then I got involved with action pistol IPSC and later IDPA and steel plates. I sold off the AMT for a Colt...Somewhere along the way I acquired a Delta, tuned it up shot it a bit and sold it. Then wanted another and got a very nice Match Delta, my uncle talked me outta that contingent opon my getting it back if he ever sold it... He was a bad boy and to the best of my knoledge that gun was destroyed... SO I bought another std Delta and tuned and slicked that one up. Thats what I have now... Shoots well enough and I do like it. But I like the idea of the Glock action, longer barrel and all that goes with that. I dont know that I would but a javalina should I find one... but I would think HARD on it!!
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the 10mm is one of those rounds that should have been a big hit. Ive shot some deer and pigs with it and people that compare its power to the 357 are smoking crack. Its much closer in actual knock down power in real life to full power 41 mags. If ammo and brass availability wasnt so poor i think it would make about the best all around whitetail hunting, self defense, shtf, and general woods bumming handgun a guy could have. I'd dearly love to have another one on a comander sized 1911. Something like  kimber cdp would really get me selling off stuff to buy.

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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2012, 12:06:58 PM »
I don't have specifics for you on the 10mm, but my .45 ACP EAA Tanfoglio Witness Match will put it in a deer's eye at 30+ yards.  I put 5 shots in the bottom of a std. size green bean can at 30 yards.  I wouldn't have any issues hunting with it if my .45 Colt was acting up.  My blackhawk will reach further than my witness with more powder capacity and use heavier bullets.  ;)
 
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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2012, 01:53:06 PM »
Thans for all the comforting feedback.  Darn camera is on the fritz right now - of course, I had to buy a fancy one.  As soon as I get it up and running again, I will post a pic.  Looks like Tacklebury's but with a 10mm tube!

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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2012, 10:31:31 AM »
If our state went to a power factor instead of a case size for deer, I would buy a 10mm. I would like to have one. Maybe next year.

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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2012, 01:06:58 PM »
Well, I finally got the Tanfoglio (Witness Match) 10 mm out to our place in the country where I could shoot it.  It is a real pussy cat!  Very little recoil.  Of course, I replaced the recoil spring with a 20# Wolff, and replaced the guide rod with a Henning Shop stainless, flanged one, and the the slide stop with a Henning Shop stainless steel.  Gun functioned absolutely flawlessly.  Can't wait til I actually develop some skill with this thing.  It is my first semi-auto pistol.  In spite of all the internet rumors, I think it is a fine handgun.

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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2012, 11:32:38 PM »
Well, I finally got the Tanfoglio (Witness Match) 10 mm out to our place in the country where I could shoot it.  It is a real pussy cat!  Very little recoil.  Of course, I replaced the recoil spring with a 20# Wolff, and replaced the guide rod with a Henning Shop stainless, flanged one, and the the slide stop with a Henning Shop stainless steel.  Gun functioned absolutely flawlessly.  Can't wait til I actually develop some skill with this thing.  It is my first semi-auto pistol.  In spite of all the internet rumors, I think it is a fine handgun.

Good to hear!!!

 I too took the plunge last week and grabbed a G20 first gen and shot it friday. Its a great shooter!

Best of luck with yours!

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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2012, 12:36:56 PM »
CW - you must have largish hands.  I tried the G20 for size and it just felt awkward to me.  Glad it fits you.  Hard to beat a Glock for reliability and durability.  I held a gen 4, 45 cal the other day - I think they finally got the message that many folks prefer a little more slender grip.  Good shooting to you.  Enjoy the Glock.

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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2012, 01:51:54 PM »
CW - you must have largish hands.  I tried the G20 for size and it just felt awkward to me.  Glad it fits you.  Hard to beat a Glock for reliability and durability.  I held a gen 4, 45 cal the other day - I think they finally got the message that many folks prefer a little more slender grip.  Good shooting to you.  Enjoy the Glock.

"Largish" yes, I would say between large and ex large... The grip is large but not as bad as say a Magnum Research, Wildey or LAR Grizzly! Those have a big grip!  ;)

I can reach all controls easily and without shifting my grip. I would prefer slightly smaller, but I am shooting it well so I guess it works for me!



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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2012, 11:50:25 PM »
I recently picked up a 20 myself and dont find it any larger then something like my berretta 92.
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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2012, 01:41:29 PM »
 I just got my Glock 29SF back from the smith ( 3.5# disconnector/nite sitghts installed) and my Lone Wolf standard drop in barrel; Wolff guide rod/21# recoil spring put in last night.
 I went with my SIL and another friend who shot a hog each today. I "tested" my two hot factory loads on both hogs. I shot the Double Tap 230gr WFNGC and the Buffalo Bore 155 TAX-XP, both got complete penetration on side to side angle from about 3ft away, like I would use to shoot a cripple. The 155 TAC-XP shattered the skull inside. I wanted a lightweight but powerful handgun just for incidental shots at game and for finishing shots. I am sooo glad I got the 10mm in a Glock 23 sized pistol! A Glock 20SF would only have been heavier/longer for me as I don't actually "hunt" with a handgun. I had held a Witness and found it too heavy for what I wanted, same with a Kimber Stainless Target II. Now, if I hunted with one, well, heavier and longer sure helps me hit something around 50+ yards, ha.

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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2012, 01:52:37 PM »
CW - you must have largish hands.  I tried the G20 for size and it just felt awkward to me.  Glad it fits you.  Hard to beat a Glock for reliability and durability.  I held a gen 4, 45 cal the other day - I think they finally got the message that many folks prefer a little more slender grip.  Good shooting to you.  Enjoy the Glock.

"Largish" yes, I would say between large and ex large... The grip is large but not as bad as say a Magnum Research, Wildey or LAR Grizzly! Those have a big grip!  ;)

I can reach all controls easily and without shifting my grip. I would prefer slightly smaller, but I am shooting it well so I guess it works for me!



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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2012, 11:43:09 PM »
ive got my eyes peeled for a good deal on a 29 glock. Like you i prefer the size of my 23 and a 29 with an extended mag would be about the ideal woods carry glock in my opinion.
I just got my Glock 29SF back from the smith ( 3.5# disconnector/nite sitghts installed) and my Lone Wolf standard drop in barrel; Wolff guide rod/21# recoil spring put in last night.
 I went with my SIL and another friend who shot a hog each today. I "tested" my two hot factory loads on both hogs. I shot the Double Tap 230gr WFNGC and the Buffalo Bore 155 TAX-XP, both got complete penetration on side to side angle from about 3ft away, like I would use to shoot a cripple. The 155 TAC-XP shattered the skull inside. I wanted a lightweight but powerful handgun just for incidental shots at game and for finishing shots. I am sooo glad I got the 10mm in a Glock 23 sized pistol! A Glock 20SF would only have been heavier/longer for me as I don't actually "hunt" with a handgun. I had held a Witness and found it too heavy for what I wanted, same with a Kimber Stainless Target II. Now, if I hunted with one, well, heavier and longer sure helps me hit something around 50+ yards, ha.
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Re: Took the 10mm plunge
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2012, 03:10:27 AM »
 I put the Pearce grip extension on two of my magazines, it sure does help my grip. I had to go out of town to an In-Home gunshop to get my new Glock 29SF. There was a regular Mod 29 here in SLC, but I prefer the feel of the short Frame, and in smaller calibers, I like the smallest grip on the Gen 4's. Looking at the expanded 155 TAC-XP, it has a wide frontal area, and I believe this helps in a handgun bullet, for either 4 or 2 legged critters, ha.