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Is President Obama responsible for spiraling price of gasoline? Republicans say yes, but the facts say no.

...not that some folks aren't bothered by facts. The CATO institute - no hotbed of librulism there! - has posted an interesting piece. I don't expect any minds to be changed.... Blame Obama seems at least as popular as Blame Bush was, except the blaming isn't as literate.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/its-not-obamas-fault-crude-oil-prices-have-increased

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So despite the popular perception of President Obama as anti-oil, domestic oil production is increasing for the first time since the Johnson administration. Alas, little of this has to do with the president. Prices increased from $22 in 2002 to just under $100 a barrel average in 2008 and supply has responded. President Obama is no more responsible for production increases than other presidents were responsible for production declines. Unfortunately, presidents get blamed for world market changes that occur during their time in office... but generally, they do not cause them.
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Re: High gas prices: President Obama's fault? Not according to CATO....
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2012, 09:01:28 PM »
  I might be wrong. But it there is more crude on the market, would that not lower the price of crude?
 
 And it was Bush's fault! ask the Democrats.
 
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2012, 04:33:52 AM »
I guess it doesn't count that Obama stated quite clearly that he wanted the price of fuel to go up.  His every action has been to insure that energy skyrockets and he only tries to obscure it when it is obvious it is a losing strategy.  Nevertheless, he continues with his job killing, economy wrecking- ball policies.
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2012, 04:49:02 AM »
I guess it doesn't count that Obama stated quite clearly that he wanted the price of fuel to go up.  His every action has been to insure that energy skyrockets and he only tries to obscure it when it is obvious it is a losing strategy.  Nevertheless, he continues with his job killing, economy wrecking- ball policies.

 
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Re: High gas prices: President Obama's fault? Not according to CATO....
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2012, 04:57:52 AM »
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I might be wrong. But it there is more crude on the market, would that not lower the price of crude?

It should lower the price of crude but not gas.  Were running our refineries at full capacity but cannot build any new ones to ease the burden on them.   
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Re: High gas prices: President Obama's fault? Not according to CATO....
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2012, 06:08:55 AM »
The   only   thing   driveing   up   gas   prices  is   CORPORATE   GREED .   can   a  president ,  either   Dem.  or  Rep.   do   anything   about  high  prices  .   None   has   yet  . 

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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2012, 07:08:50 AM »
What mcbammer said.

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Re: High gas prices: President Obama's fault? Not according to CATO....
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2012, 08:34:04 AM »
 If the states attorney generals can prosecute for price gouging during a disaster, then would not make since for the Gov to be able to prosecute big buisness for also?
 
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2012, 09:46:25 AM »
Oil companies percentage of profit is far lower than Apples or any other high tech company.  They have 100-200% profits, yet because they donate to libs, nothing is said about their price gouging.  Yet oil companies profits are very low in comparision, and they are "greedy".  Typical liberal double standard. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2012, 10:49:26 AM »
Oil companies percentage of profit is far lower than Apples or any other high tech company.  They have 100-200% profits, yet because they donate to libs, nothing is said about their price gouging.  Yet oil companies profits are very low in comparision, and they are "greedy".  Typical liberal double standard.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2012, 10:54:13 AM »
High gas prices may or may not be Obama's fault but I dont see him doing anything to get them under control. So his inaction makes the prices his fault
 
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Re: High gas prices: President Obama's fault? Not according to CATO....
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2012, 11:04:41 AM »
Sorry, yellowtail3, but everything bad is Obama's fault--even ED and premature balding.

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Re: High gas prices: President Obama's fault? Not according to CATO....
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2012, 12:02:11 PM »
I guess it doesn't count that Obama stated quite clearly that he wanted the price of fuel to go up.  His every action has been to insure that energy skyrockets and he only tries to obscure it when it is obvious it is a losing strategy.  Nevertheless, he continues with his job killing, economy wrecking- ball policies.

Not only that, but the drilling has increased on private land, SOMETHING OPBAMA HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO BLOCK YET.   IT HAS DECREASED ON FED LAND, SOMETHING HE DID BLOCK.
 
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2012, 12:38:05 PM »
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I guess it doesn't count that Obama stated quite clearly that he wanted the price of fuel to go up.
Ya, it counts in my book.  I guess my first impression was, what kind of an idiot would say that.  My second thought was, he certainly won't be doing anyting to make it go down, that's for sure.  But if you look at the way a lefty thinks, setting the bar REAL low for Obama is OK,  no matter how bad things get..."it could have been worse"..if not for Obama.   :o   How convenient to come up with that one.

I do agree Obama can't help anything at all...that's not to hard to agree with, he has no experience in anything, he only has a strange ideology that doesn't sit well with a calculator.  He is a sorry excuse for a president, a down right embarrassment for most folks.  But he didn't elect himself now did he?  I guess that brings us to all the people that voted for him.   ;)   
 

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Sorry, yellowtail3, but everything bad is Obama's fault--even ED and premature balding.
         Heck no junior, according to you and the libs, everything bad is STILL Bush's fault.  BTW, as to your latter concerns, I believe they now have pills and creams for those issues (but, knock on wood, I haven't needed either yet).
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Sorry, yellowtail3, but everything bad is Obama's fault--even ED and premature balding.
         Heck no junior, according to you and the libs, everything bad is STILL Bush's fault.  BTW, as to your latter concerns, I believe they now have pills and creams for those issues (but, knock on wood, I haven't needed either yet).

 
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2012, 05:00:54 PM »
    I second Nomosendero's comment. Increase on private land......decrease on federal land, and THAT, is Obummers fault.
 
    He's got to save money to send to his old pal....Hugo Chavez, so he can drill more, But it was only a little few Billion dollar stimulus to the poor murderous dictator down south.
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2012, 05:34:03 PM »
    I second Nomosendero's comment. Increase on private land......decrease on federal land, and THAT, is Obummers fault.
 
    He's got to save money to send to his old pal....Hugo Chavez, so he can drill more, But it was only a little few Billion dollar stimulus to the poor murderous dictator down south.

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2012, 05:58:48 PM »
I would like to point out a few things here:
1) Every single person who has replied to this post is spouting typical media brainwashing propaganda.

2) So lets look at the original question "High gas prices: Obama's fault?" This is a very easy question to answer if you have any common sense what so ever. You or I do not need the CATO to tell us part of the truth and spin it to look good on TPTB.


Here is why it is his fault:
a) Continuing to allow the EPA and Environmentalist to hold up and prevent expanding our oil industry is directly affecting the price at the pump and Obama could use Executive power to stop the EPA from many of the things they do but he does not. HIS FAULT

b) Continuing the conflicts in the Middle East affects the oil price by way of Wall Street Speculators. It is within Obama's power to bring the troops home and there by easing tensions in the Middle East and there by lowering the price on Wall Street. HIS FAULT

c) Continuing to allow the FED to inflate the dollar therefore causing inflation and therefore higher prices at the pump. It is within the power of Obama to VETO every spending bill that comes to him there by forcing less money to be spent and therefore halting inflation and allowing for a turn around of the economy but he has not. HIS FAULT

d)Continuing to allow very large corporations to enjoy tax breaks while forcing medium to large corporations to pay higher taxes who simply pass it along to the customer and there by causing higher prices at the pump. HIS FAULT

I could go on but why? most of you know this already you are just not looking at it as a whole and only seeing what you what to see.

Oh and for all you Bush fans you can substitute Bush for Obama and the SAME HOLDS TRUE!

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Wake up people ELECT RON PAUL or none of the crap will change.

 
 
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2012, 01:21:18 AM »
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1) Every single person who has replied to this post is spouting typical media brainwashing propaganda.


So my statement earlier about how "Were running our refineries at full capacity but cannot build any new ones to ease the burden on them." is me spewing media brainwashing propaganda?  ???
 
Kinda seems like were on the same page here buddy...
 
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Continuing to allow the EPA and Environmentalist to hold up and prevent expanding our oil industry is directly affecting the price at the pump and Obama could use Executive power to stop the EPA from many of the things they do but he does not. HIS FAULT

Not trying to be a pain, but I really don't care to be lumped together in the same group as the Foxers on here.

 
 
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2012, 01:47:55 AM »
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1) Every single person who has replied to this post is spouting typical media brainwashing propaganda.


So my statement earlier about how "Were running our refineries at full capacity but cannot build any new ones to ease the burden on them." is me spewing media brainwashing propaganda?  ???
 
Kinda seems like were on the same page here buddy...
 
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Continuing to allow the EPA and Environmentalist to hold up and prevent expanding our oil industry is directly affecting the price at the pump and Obama could use Executive power to stop the EPA from many of the things they do but he does not. HIS FAULT

Not trying to be a pain, but I really don't care to be lumped together in the same group as the Foxers on here.


must have missed your post SSS as you are correct.
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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2012, 04:30:05 AM »
I would like to point out a few things here:
1) Every single person who has replied to this post is spouting typical media brainwashing propaganda.

2) So lets look at the original question "High gas prices: Obama's fault?" This is a very easy question to answer if you have any common sense what so ever. You or I do not need the CATO to tell us part of the truth and spin it to look good on TPTB.


Here is why it is his fault:
a) Continuing to allow the EPA and Environmentalist to hold up and prevent expanding our oil industry is directly affecting the price at the pump and Obama could use Executive power to stop the EPA from many of the things they do but he does not. HIS FAULT

b) Continuing the conflicts in the Middle East affects the oil price by way of Wall Street Speculators. It is within Obama's power to bring the troops home and there by easing tensions in the Middle East and there by lowering the price on Wall Street. HIS FAULT

c) Continuing to allow the FED to inflate the dollar therefore causing inflation and therefore higher prices at the pump. It is within the power of Obama to VETO every spending bill that comes to him there by forcing less money to be spent and therefore halting inflation and allowing for a turn around of the economy but he has not. HIS FAULT

d)Continuing to allow very large corporations to enjoy tax breaks while forcing medium to large corporations to pay higher taxes who simply pass it along to the customer and there by causing higher prices at the pump. HIS FAULT

I could go on but why? most of you know this already you are just not looking at it as a whole and only seeing what you what to see.

Oh and for all you Bush fans you can substitute Bush for Obama and the SAME HOLDS TRUE!

Wake up people ELECT RON PAUL or none of the crap will change.

Matt

Yea Matt, part of that is the silliness of all the different blends for gas in different States, Obummer did not start that, but any Pres. could put the necessary forces in motion to stop it.
 
Are you saying that there are still Bush fans, maybe so but I don't know why. Will anyone here admit it?
 
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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2012, 04:57:11 AM »
It is a simple matter. Bush and Obama have presided over the greatest spending spree in the history of America. Debt has hit an all time high. High interest rates would make the debt unpayable. The Federal Reserve must print to support the designated 0 to .25% interest rates until 2014 as they have announced. This increase of money supply devalues all the dollars in you pocket. It now takes more dollars for you to buy a gallon of gasoline, or food, or anything else that you must have to sustain life. Nothing is going to change anytime soon except that it will accelerate. When interest rates do rise as a consequence of foreigners refusing to support a devaluing asset, the game is over. Only Ron Paul can save the system as he is the only one that understands the problem. If he is not the nominee, then we are doomed. There will be a brokered convention so all hope is not lost. But hope is doubtful. After the coming hyper-inflationary depression and resulting chaos is over, Ron Paul's message of liberty will be very necessary for the future of America. Will it be Liberty or tyranny? The Wiemar Republic chose tyranny by electing the man "promising lower gasoline prices and a better life", aka Hitler.
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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2012, 05:02:16 AM »
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I might be wrong. But it there is more crude on the market, would that not lower the price of crude?

It should lower the price of crude but not gas.  Were running our refineries at full capacity but cannot build any new ones to ease the burden on them.
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  And who caused the refineries to come in short supply here ?  The 'green weenies" and the libs always cater to the eco-freaks.
  How many businesses have shut down and how many have failed to start up, due to 'government regulations'... which have increased ten fold under Obammy ?
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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2012, 05:31:31 AM »
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I might be wrong. But it there is more crude on the market, would that not lower the price of crude?

It should lower the price of crude but not gas.  Were running our refineries at full capacity but cannot build any new ones to ease the burden on them.
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  And who caused the refineries to come in short supply here ?  The 'green weenies" and the libs always cater to the eco-freaks.
  How many businesses have shut down and how many have failed to start up, due to 'government regulations'... which have increased ten fold under Obammy ?


Gasoline demand is down in the US and inventory stock was higher last month, therefore why is the price also higher? It all goes back to the 15% growth in M2 money supply last Fall.


Now the refineries are not all at full production as two have shut down. They are older refineries that were not designed to process the heavy crude more available today and therefore were losing money. 


You are right about government regulations. It certainly makes it more profitable for businesses to move elsewhere. That even applies to the states. Look at the businesses leaving California for other states.
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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2012, 08:55:13 AM »
So not only is Obama at fault for higher fuel prices, but he is responsible for devaluing the dollar and a whole lot of other stuff.  Hey if the Dumbycrats can blame everything on Bush, then it's only fair that we can blame everything on Obama.  What's fair for the goose is fair for the stupid commie.
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2012, 08:56:13 AM »
Sorry if there was a shortage of Gas or Diesel in this country "Fuel" would not be our #1 EXPORT
We are seeing a "price" based on "worldwide" demand.  Nationalize the oil companies if you wnat them to stop exporting gas.

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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2012, 09:27:32 AM »
Speculators are one reason that price's are so high. And, if Obama would loosen up on drilling and pipelines, price would go down, just for that one reason. And, he knows it. gypsyman
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2012, 10:07:46 AM »
NWBear, you have to understand logistics.  We export the Alaskan oil to Japan and import from other countries at a shorter distance, like Venesuala or the Middle East.  Oil tankers CAN NOT get through the Panama Canal because of their shear size.  So they go to Japan.  We need a pipeline from California to Texas to carry the crude from Alaska, BUT the libs in California will not allow a terminal to be built nor the pipeline across their state.  What Japan pays is the world price, so it is a trade off.  We still net IMPORT 60% of our oil.  I work for a natural gas company, even we have a hard time getting pipelines ran, with all the new regulations.  Drilling has been shut down in the Gulf, we can't import from Canada, we can't drill on government lands out west (The Feds own about half of the west, and 90% of Nevada).  We have a 200 year supply of shale oil out west and we can't touch it. 
 
Another reason is inflation is starting to move in.  Check your grocery bills from a year ago and compare with today.  Ours went up 25%.  The government uses inflation to pay back debt with inflated dollars.  China has slowly been selling off their t-bills because they are getting less valuable.  Japan might do so too, because they are in recession.  Hyper inflation might kick in within 3-5 years.  Prepare and prep now.  Like Ronald Reagan said, government isn't the solution, government is the problem.