Author Topic: obamas justice dept fights Texas and S Carolina on voter IDs. (Read 990 times)

powderman · « **on:** March 12, 2012, 06:41:45 AM »

http://www.wave3.com/story/17136671/justice-dept-opposes-texas-voter-id-law

Feds complain that it would be predudiced against hispanic voters with no IDs. DUUUUHHHH. Like I keep saying, obummer wants the illegal criminal vote. Big shock. POWDERMAN.

lakota · « **Reply #1 on:** March 12, 2012, 07:48:21 AM »

I have to show ID in Ohio when I vote. Whats the big deal? If we follow this line if logic that the Obama Justice department has set down then I shouldn't have to show ID to vote I shouldn't have to show ID to drive I shouldn't have to show ID to buy a gun and I shouldn't have to show ID at anytime anywhere to any type of law enforcement. To do otherwise would be racially biased.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #2 on:** March 12, 2012, 08:03:46 AM »

But it should not cost to vote and for some it will. The Wichita paper had an article on an elderly caucasian women that did not have the documents to obtain an ID. To get her documentation it was going to cost her around $200. Our secretary if state Kris Kobach has spent all kinds of tax money and time ramming voter ID down out throats. Kansas can only document 14 cases of voter fraud in it's history. What a waste of money time and energy. Currently just the cost of the state ID is $22 and that does not count whatever the costs of getting the documentation together to obtain the ID may be.
GuzziJohn

powderman · « **Reply #3 on:** March 12, 2012, 08:14:55 AM »

guzzi. Just more libby excuses to support the criminals. No ID required anywhere?? Or just when it comes to dem votes. ?? POWDERMAN.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2012, 08:25:24 AM »

the SCOTUS has ruled that it's constitutional and in most states, the I.D. is free. all you need is a birth certificate. but then, the prez couldn't get one.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2012, 08:33:12 AM »

Quote form Bugeye:
"the SCOTUS has ruled that it's constitutional and in most states, the I.D. is free. all you need is a birth certificate. but then, the prez couldn't get one."

Not in Kansas:

Driver's License Proof of Identity Acceptable Documentation All original applicants must present one item from list A, a second item from list A, B, C or D, proof of residency and proof of principle residence address. Applicants that were not born in the US or those that are not American citizens must provide proof of lawful presence from list B, a second item from list C or D, proof of residency and proof of principle residence address.
All applicants for renewal must present the expiring license or ID card and at least one item from list E for proof of residency and proof of principle residence address. If they do not have the driver's license or ID card, they must present items as though they are an applicant for a replacement driver's license or ID card.
All applicants for a replacement driver's license or ID card must present at least two items from list A, B, C or D for proof of identity, and at least one item from list E for proof of residency and proof of principle residence address.
A Social Security number is required from all applicants; however, it will not be used as the driver license or identification card number. If a Social Security number cannot be provided, documentation from list B, proving lawful presence will be required along with proof of residency and proof of principle residence address. All documents presented must be the original or a certified copy; no photocopies will be accepted.
PLEASE NOTE - An out of state license is acceptable as a second form of ID, but not as proof of your legal name and date of birth. Visit the National Center for Health Statistics for information on obtaining birth certificates, marriage licenses, and divorce decrees from each state.
A) Documentation for American Citizens or persons born in the United States:

Certified U.S. birth certificate (federal, state, county, Dept. of Justice)
Birth Certificate from a U.S. territory (Puerto Rico, Guam, US Virgin Islands, and US Samoa)
U. S. Passport or Passport Card - not expired
U. S. Military ID - not expired (active duty, dependent, retired, reserve or National Guard)
Certified Order of Adoption-original U.S. document
Certificate of Naturalization with intact photo (Form N-550, N-570 or N-578)or Certificate of U.S. Citizenship (Form N-560, N-561 or N-645)
U.S. military Common Access Card with photo, DOB, name and branch of service
U.S. government-issued Consular Report of Birth Abroad

B) Documentation for those not born in the US or those that are not American Citizens:

Valid foreign passport with I-94 or valid "Processed for I-551" stamp with a mandated departure date greater than 60 days in the future - No Border Crossing Cards
I-94 with refugee status (passport not required)
Valid I-551 Resident Alien/Permanent resident card
Valid photo Employment Authorization (issued by U.S. Dept. of Justice)

C) Documentation for Proof of name change:

Certified marriage certificate, U.S., city, county, state issued
Certified divorce decree, U.S. with official signature
Certified court order of name change, U.S. only
Certified court order of adoption
Marriage certificate from a foreign country - If not in English, the certificate must be translated

D) Additional Documentation to apply for a replacement Kansas DL or ID card:

Valid motor vehicle registration with signature
Selective Service Card with signature
Valid life insurance card or policy
Valid health insurance card or policy
Kansas Vehicle title
Diploma or GED
Valid Kansas school or college identification card with photograph; or, commercially produced school yearbook with photo less than three years old
Professional license
Medicare identification card
Student identification card
Employee identification card
Parole documents
Medical records
Kansas voter registration card
Photo DL or ID previously issued by Kansas or any other state
A copy of any federal or state income tax return bearing the signature of the person
An identification certificate issued by the department of corrections to an offender under the supervision of the secretary of corrections

E) Documents for Proof of Kansas Residency and/or Proof of Residence Address - must be in the name of the applicant.

Kansas school forms; such as tuition invoices, receipts, class schedules, report cards, DE-99, or transcripts with the applicant's Kansas residence address; or, school, college or university records containing the student's name and Kansas residence address and valid school or college identification card with photograph
Utility bills that display a Kansas residence address
Kansas property tax bill or receipt indicating a Kansas residence address
Kansas mortgage documents or homeowner insurance documents for a Kansas residence or proof of Kansas home ownership with a Kansas residence address
W-2 Form not more than 18 months old with the applicant’s name and Kansas residence address
Valid Kansas Motor Vehicle registration
Proof of Kansas public assistance with a Kansas residence address
Residential rental and/or lease agreement with a Kansas residence address; credit card statement with residence address issued within the last 90 days; checking or savings account statement within 60 days
Payroll check stub issued within the last two months with imprinted residence address
Original monthly bank statement not more than two months old issued by a bank with Kansas residence address
Utility bill, not more than two months old, issued to the applicant (Cellular phone and pager bills are not acceptable)
Current automobile, life or home owners insurance bill that includes the name and residence address of applicant (cards or policies are not accepted)
Copies of school records/transcripts from a Kansas school in which the applicant is currently attending
Driver's license, learner's permit, DMV issued identification card with photo, or renewal notice; displaying the applicant's current residence address
U.S. Postal Service change of address confirmation form or postmarked U.S. marked mail with forwarding address label (must display applicant's name)
Letter from social welfare institution (homeless shelter, battered women's shelter, halfway house, group home, orphanage, etc) stating applicant is resident of facility
An identification certificate issued by the department of corrections to an offender under the supervision of the secretary of corrections containing a residence address verification

powderman · « **Reply #6 on:** March 12, 2012, 09:55:29 AM »

guzzi. And all that has WHAT to do with showing a valid picture ID to vote?? If pedro and pancho are illegal criminals they have no right voting in America. Ya wanna vote?? Prove what and who you are. I'm proud to show my drivers license to vote here in KY, but then again, I'm not a criminal invader. POWDERMAN.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #7 on:** March 12, 2012, 10:03:58 AM »

Quote from Powderman:
"guzzi. And all that has WHAT to do with showing a valid picture ID to vote?? "

From Wiki:
"Recent debate has arisen about whether requiring citizens to purchase a state identification card acts as a poll tax and bars poor voters from voting.^[4] To reduce cost, some state offer free identification cards for those who can demonstrate the need. However, significant additional costs can be incurred when acquiring a "free" ID. In addition to travel cost or potential lost wages, a certified copy of a birth certificate costs from $10 to $45 depending on the state, a passport costs $85 and certified naturalization papers cost $19.95. Further, about 12 percent of voting-age Americans currently lack a driver's license."
GuzziJohn

jimster · « **Reply #8 on:** March 12, 2012, 10:32:37 AM »

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But it should not cost to vote and for some it will. The Wichita paper had an
article on an elderly caucasian women that did not have the documents to obtain
an ID. To get her documentation it was going to cost her around $200. Our
secretary if state Kris Kobach has spent all kinds of tax money and time ramming
voter ID down out throats. Kansas can only document 14 cases of voter fraud in
it's history. What a waste of money time and energy. Currently just the cost of
the state ID is $22 and that does not count whatever the costs of getting the
documentation together to obtain the ID may be.
GuzziJohn

Well I have to show ID in this state to vote, so they will in this state too. It cost me money for all my picture id's, it can cost everyone else some money too. Or...if it does not cost them money for their id's then I don't want to pay either, all equal, or at least should be. I'm all for getting my id's for free...as long as everyone can. I guess the state can find money elsewhere if everything is free.
Seems to me someone out there is trying to make it so some people are not equal...that ain't right. I'm sick and tired of singling out groups of people who don't have to pay and I have to all the time.

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The Wichita paper had an article on an elderly caucasian women that did not have the documents to obtain an ID. To get her mentation it was going to cost her around $200.

So who is to say this woman did not have a few hundred thousand put away somewhere...got a grandma like that...the state would be too stupid to know..lets face it, people that have hundreds of thousands of dollars still get food stamps too.
Everyone pays or nobody pays...think those socialists looking for votes can deal with that simple concept? Seems not.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #9 on:** March 12, 2012, 10:35:28 AM »

all you have to do is skip going to the movie one time and you have the money.
the poor people argument doesn't fly. this is strictly the obama admin and other democrats wanting to continue on with their voter fraud.

fatercat · « **Reply #10 on:** March 12, 2012, 10:41:09 AM »

we got to get the bum out of the white house. you guys have to get involved with all the people you know and put the word out. its the only way, else there will be trouble in this USA

lakota · « **Reply #11 on:** March 12, 2012, 12:39:38 PM »

How are these people that cant afford the cost of an ID or the incidental costs of obtaining an ID going through life? ID is almost a daily requirement. How are they applying for their entitlements? If you cant furnish the required documents to prove you are a citizen then you shouldn't be voting.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #12 on:** March 12, 2012, 03:53:33 PM »

If someone cain't afford 20 bucks to get a valid ID how in the sam hill are they getting to the polls? 'Specially if they gotta go a hunert miles to git there. (like they claim about gittin' to a place to git an ID?) Sounds like a major pile of bovine excrement to me!

I'm curious, Of those who agree with the Obamanations stand on voter ID..........is there ANY type of voter ID you would find acceptable to be required, or do you jist halfta be vertical and ventilating?

powderman · « **Reply #13 on:** March 12, 2012, 04:39:21 PM »

guzzi. A lot of good posts here, yours was not one of them. As Bugeye said, just another way for the dems to continue voter fraud. POWDERMAN.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2012, 01:25:50 AM »

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all you have to do is skip going to the movie one time and you have the money.
the poor people argument doesn't fly. this is strictly the obama admin and other democrats wanting to continue on with their voter fraud.

Bugeye and I don't agree about much but this is one of them. Skip a dinner out, skip a movie night, or for gods sake don't buy cigarettes or booze for a week. If voting matters that much to you then it shouldn't be a big issue to make a couple cuts.

Sourdough · « **Reply #15 on:** March 13, 2012, 01:27:36 PM »

You are required to have a photo ID to do almost everything. I've been asked for a photo ID, or have had to ask customers for a photo ID, to buy booze, tobacco, medications, to get food stamps, to use WIC checks, to cash a check, to cash a Social Security check, to cash a welfare check, to get on a Grayhound Bus, to get on an airplane, to get on an AMTRAK train, to use a credit card, to rent a car, to access my checking account at the bank, to pick up my vehicle at the repair shop, Game Enforcement Officers when checking fishing licenses, Police at a traffic stop, and Hospital Emergency Rooms.

So don't try and tell me there are people out there that have never done any of those things. With all the documents listed in A.B.C.and D. again don't tell me they don't have what is required. Everybody that has legally lived in the US for any period of time will have many of those documents. I bet those people used as examples have IDs, they just want to claim discrimination, or are being encouraged to hide their IDs so they can be used as an example. They are reporting that many counties in Texas don't have stations to issue drivers license. That is true, there is no towns of any size in those counties. Again don't tell me those people don't ever go to the bigger towns, where they could get an ID. I've spent too much time living and working in Texas.

If you don't have a birth Certificate, most states will accept an entry in the Family Bible. When I went to register for elementary school, many kids did not have a birth certificate. They brought in the Family Bible and was admitted to school. Most states issue a state ID card to residents that do not drive. Mine was $5.00, I got it so when I go to senior functions they don't have to sit there and count up the years to see that I am over 62. And if I want to ride the city bus, I flash that Senior ID and the ride is free.

If a person is so out of the main stream of living, and so out of touch, they have to be totally illiterate. They would not know who to vote for, and would probably not be voting anyway. If they did they would have to be told who to vote for, or make a wild guess.

My mother is one of those people that is so uninformed she has to be told who to vote for. She is a Yellow Dog Democrat, but she don't always know who the Democrat is that is running. She will ask my brother who to vote for at each election. She knows better than to ask me. I'm the Black Sheep of the family. But she has three or four Photo IDs.

powderman · « **Reply #16 on:** March 13, 2012, 02:25:22 PM »

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You are required to have a photo ID to do almost everything. I've been asked for a photo ID, or have had to ask customers for a photo ID, to buy booze, tobacco, medications, to get food stamps, to use WIC checks, to cash a check, to cash a Social Security check, to cash a welfare check, to get on a Grayhound Bus, to get on an airplane, to get on an AMTRAK train, to use a credit card, to rent a car, to access my checking account at the bank, to pick up my vehicle at the repair shop, Game Enforcement Officers when checking fishing licenses, Police at a traffic stop, and Hospital Emergency Rooms.

SOURDOUGH. Good post Sir, all true. POWDERMAN.

nomosendero · « **Reply #17 on:** March 13, 2012, 02:45:45 PM »

Quote from: powderman on March 13, 2012, 02:25:22 PM

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You are required to have a photo ID to do almost everything. I've been asked for a photo ID, or have had to ask customers for a photo ID, to buy booze, tobacco, medications, to get food stamps, to use WIC checks, to cash a check, to cash a Social Security check, to cash a welfare check, to get on a Grayhound Bus, to get on an airplane, to get on an AMTRAK train, to use a credit card, to rent a car, to access my checking account at the bank, to pick up my vehicle at the repair shop, Game Enforcement Officers when checking fishing licenses, Police at a traffic stop, and Hospital Emergency Rooms.

SOURDOUGH. Good post Sir, all true. POWDERMAN.

Yes, it was a good post. Even though I have more gray hair tha black now I had to show ID to get some over the counter Cold medicine. I guess the Ladie never gets medicine. I started to ask if she has a cell phone as a money gauge but that won't work, Obama buys those.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #18 on:** March 14, 2012, 02:59:28 AM »

As I see it voting is a constitutional right, just as is the second amendment. All the other ID examples given here are not based on a constitutional right. The ID to vote is like gun registration.
GuzziJohn

nw_hunter · « **Reply #19 on:** March 14, 2012, 04:10:49 AM »

Quote from: powderman on March 12, 2012, 04:39:21 PM

guzzi. A lot of good posts here, yours was not one of them. As Bugeye said, just another way for the dems to continue voter fraud. POWDERMAN.

Does this mean you don't agree with Guzz?

You slay me!

Here in the peoples republic of Oregon we vote by mail. Every election, we get a pamphlet in advance, with who's running and what proposals are being voted on.Then we get the actual ballot later.We only had to show proof of citizenship when we registered to vote. These states could issue a voter ID at the time of registration without an expiration date.

Voting has become a joke anyway! We are usually given a choice between Twiddly dee and twiddly dum, and these are the choices selected for us by main stream media and the respective party big wigs.

powderman · « **Reply #20 on:** March 14, 2012, 04:36:57 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on March 14, 2012, 02:59:28 AM

As I see it voting is a constitutional right, just as is the second amendment. All the other ID examples given here are not based on a constitutional right. The ID to vote is like gun registration.
GuzziJohn

guzzi. We as Americans have the right to be able to elect who WE want without fear of criminal invaders voting in their candidates. Did you not read Sourdoughs post?? Point out where ANYTHING he said is wrong. POWDERMAN.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2012, 04:52:05 AM »

From Sourdough's post as a response to Powderman:
"You are required to have a photo ID to do almost everything. I've been asked for a photo ID, or have had to ask customers for a photo ID, to buy booze, tobacco, medications, to get food stamps, to use WIC checks, to cash a check, to cash a Social Security check, to cash a welfare check, to get on a Grayhound Bus, to get on an airplane, to get on an AMTRAK train, to use a credit card, to rent a car, to access my checking account at the bank, to pick up my vehicle at the repair shop, Game Enforcement Officers when checking fishing licenses, Police at a traffic stop, and Hospital Emergency Rooms. "

Okay Powderman tell me which above is a constitutional right as voting is. It is nice that Sourdough could obtain a state ID for $5, but as I posted Kansas is $22 with no free birth certificates, etc. I have no problem with voter ID if the ID and required supporting documents are available free. Ask someone that has to live on SS or disability only if $22+ is not significant to them. You spout that the libs want to use illegals, etc. to swing elections, that can be reversed as conservatives want to do all they can to minimize the voting ability of the poor and disabled which tend to vote more democratic.
GuzziJohn
GuzziJohn

lakota · « **Reply #22 on:** March 14, 2012, 05:45:00 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on March 14, 2012, 04:52:05 AM

You spout that the libs want to use illegals, etc. to swing elections, that can be reversed as conservatives want to do all they can to minimize the voting ability of the poor and disabled which tend to vote more democratic.
GuzziJohn
GuzziJohn

So there shouldnt be any burden to prove who they say they are placed on the voter?

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #23 on:** March 14, 2012, 05:56:26 AM »

Ok.........do you think it's just fine if the rest of the world chooses our elected officials?

BUGEYE · « **Reply #24 on:** March 14, 2012, 05:59:07 AM »

EVERY election cycle there is voter fraud here in Ga. EVERY time it is democrats.

sometimes I have to tighten my belt to afford to exercise my right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

lakota · « **Reply #25 on:** March 14, 2012, 06:16:55 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on March 14, 2012, 05:59:07 AM

EVERY election cycle there is voter fraud here in Ga. EVERY time it is democrats.

And I'll bet it never gets more than a slight passing mention on your local news or it gets buried somewhere in the back of your local newspaper.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #26 on:** March 14, 2012, 06:26:42 AM »

Quote from: lakota on March 14, 2012, 06:16:55 AM

Quote from: BUGEYE on March 14, 2012, 05:59:07 AM
EVERY election cycle there is voter fraud here in Ga. EVERY time it is democrats.

And I'll bet it never gets more than a slight passing mention on your local news or it gets buried somewhere in the back of your local newspaper.

that's about it. it never gets prosecuted to my knowledge.

mcbammer · « **Reply #27 on:** March 14, 2012, 06:30:09 AM »

Voter I D is needed now more than ever . NO telling how many still vote from the grave.We had a community in our state with 600 absentee ballots and only 200 registered voters in an election a couple years back.

powderman · « **Reply #28 on:** March 14, 2012, 03:37:38 PM »

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Ask someone that has to live on SS or disability only if $22+ is not significant to them.

guzzi. Horsepatoot. They had to have ID to get either one, try again. No ID, NO VOTE, and the ballot better be in ENGLISH. POWDERMAN.

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 14, 2012, 06:44:01 PM »

Ask someone that has to live on SS or disability only if $22+ is not significant to them. You spout that the libs want to use illegals, etc. to swing elections, that can be reversed as conservatives want to do all they can to minimize the voting ability of the poor and disabled which tend to vote more democratic.
GuzziJohn
GuzziJohn

Guzzijohn, the argument offered in your post is as flimsy as Obama's house-of-cards economic policy. My best friend lives on $604.00 per month SSD disability. Guess what? He has his driver's license, voter ID card, pays for car tags each year, and puts $3.75 per gallon Obama-gas in his tank. His wife gets $845.00 per month, and she is able to pay for her state id and doctor's copays. They prove you wrong and your point invalid.

The disabled vote both ways -- you know that is a fact. Of course, we all know how the welfare parasites vote -- they vote for the DemoLooter party.

ST762