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Offline zombiehunter83

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Buffalo Classic Bummer
« on: March 12, 2012, 12:04:29 PM »
So I have just started playing around with my BC 45-70. Shot it a couple of times and decided to  changed the rear sight to a Williams FP target and was getting ready to take it to the range again, but then decided to put on a leather butt pad I made.  Well when I took the screws out for the butt pad a small piece of wood fell out I didn't think anything of it until I tried to put it back together and one of the screws just slid right in.  That's when I figured out what the piece of wood was for, as I could tell by the screw marks that they had shoved that in the hole because they either drilled it out to big or stripped it when they put it together.  So I am not totally mad but disappointed and wanted to see if you guys thought that is an issue I should call h&r about or let it be.  Other than that its an OK firearm.

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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2012, 12:15:52 PM »
why do you want to take the butt plate off?  To do so will make the stock much more easily chipped an the toe or heel even with a pad in place..  Walnut is fairly brittle and pretty easy to chip.  The steel butt plate is there for a reason - to protect the butt.  If you designed a slip on pad just lace it over the stock and plate as is.  If it is a screw on leather pad you may be looking at a damaged stock in the future.  Not trying to be a know it all, just trying to save you some heart ache later.  To fix the enlarged hole, drill it out to 1/4" and glue dowel in it.  Cut or sand flush and redrill pilot hole for screw.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2012, 12:23:09 PM »
Thanks for the reply.  I am not taking the steel butt pad off permanently, I took some scrap leather I had laying around and glued and pressed them together, shaped it and drilled some holes to make it a little more pleasant to shoot and add some length to the stock ( I am not a little fella) not because I am too cheap to buy a pad but because I like to make things.  I had full intentions of putting the steel plate back on.  I will try and post a pic later.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2012, 12:45:08 PM »
Fill the hole with JB weld epoxy and re drill when hard. No more problem!!
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2012, 12:58:17 PM »
Quote from: tom548 on March 12, 2012, 12:45:08 PM
Fill the hole with JB weld epoxy and re drill when hard. No more problem!!
Yeeeep!! JB Weld is to metal, what duct tape is to everything else.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2012, 01:55:34 PM »
I would drill for a 3/8 dowel, glue it in then use buttplate to locate for new screw hole. JB is to hard for a wood screw.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2012, 02:23:33 PM »
I've fixed dozens of stripped buttplate screw holes with a piece of toothpick.  I usually put some white glue on it to keep it in place and then screw the buttplate back on.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2012, 02:37:23 PM »
No, no, no.  Don't take the butt plate off.  Put something over the butt plate if you can't stand the recoil. 
On mine, I pad my shirt or coat with something like a towel when I'm at the range.  In the woods, I don't feel the recoil. 
My opinion is to leave the classic alone.  It is what it is.  Add only what is temporary, like a tie-on recoil pad. 
 
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2012, 02:41:33 PM »
Buy a Past Pad or Bob Allen pad to wear.  It simulates wearing a jacket while hunting.  I love mine.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2012, 02:45:07 PM »
While I appricate everyones imput, it came from the factory jimmyrigged like that and to me that seems like QC is lacking, all in all the gun in genral is just not the most beautiful H&R I have.  Again the only reason I took the screws out is to add the leather pad I made it will be going on top of the metal butt plate I am not removing it the metal plate completly.  The recoil is not what bothers me so much as that I have big shoulders and big shoulders and curved metal butt plate + 45-70 dont equal out, the plate digs in pretty good while shooting off a bench. 
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2012, 03:04:21 PM »
Order a Topper Deluxe Classic buttstock.  No factory scraps parts that can be reworked and saved.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2012, 03:10:39 PM »
put a piece of toothpick in the hole and screw it back together. or two toothpicks.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2012, 03:31:34 PM »
I agree, it's just a hole in a wooden buttstock that does not show. It is meant to hold the buttplate on. Just shim it with some wood, toothpicks ot whatever and put the screws back in place, if they firmly hold the the steel buttplate on you are all set, if not, add another toothpick and then go out and shoot the darn thing....<><....:)
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2012, 04:16:10 PM »
Tooth picks.  And we'd like to seen the leather butt cover when you're done.  Please post pics.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2012, 04:34:34 PM »
When I go to the Chinese restaurant I pick up a pair of chopsticks to bring home.  I use them to shim holes in wood that a screw has wallered out.  I dip the narrow end in wood glue, stick it in the hole and then use a utility knife to trim it flush.  They are made of bamboo and the fibers are very straight and hold a screw very well. One of the holes in the stock of my .223 is fixed that way.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2012, 05:26:44 PM »
When at a shooting bench you have all your weight leaning forward and that BC is gonna hurt after a few rounds.  For this reason when I'm at the bench I just slip on a Limb Saver slip on pad and no problem.  When in the field I don't use the Limb Saver and there is no problem.

 
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I've fixed dozens of stripped buttplate screw holes with a piece of toothpick.  I usually put some white glue on it to keep it in place and then screw the buttplate back on.

Yep.......couple round toothpicks, snap them off at the hole, a couple drops of Elmers glue and thread the screw back in.  The wood toothpicks will set up but the screw can still be backed out if needed.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2012, 05:36:56 PM »
Quote from: zombiehunter83 on March 12, 2012, 12:04:29 PM
So I have just started playing around with my BC 45-70. Shot it a couple of times and decided to  changed the rear sight to a Williams FP target and was getting ready to take it to the range again, but then decided to put on a leather butt pad I made.  Well when I took the screws out for the butt pad a small piece of wood fell out I didn't think anything of it until I tried to put it back together and one of the screws just slid right in.  That's when I figured out what the piece of wood was for, as I could tell by the screw marks that they had shoved that in the hole because they either drilled it out to big or stripped it when they put it together.  So I am not totally mad but disappointed and wanted to see if you guys thought that is an issue I should call h&r about or let it be.  Other than that its an OK firearm.

Thanks.
You guys missed the point zombiehunter83 was questioning whether you felt that H&R's quality control (they either drilled it out to big or stripped it when they put it together) was an issue.

I agree with you I would have been disappointed as well.  If it's really bothering you contact their customer service department, otherwise, just repair it.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2012, 05:56:27 PM »
Thank you OldSchoolRanger.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2012, 11:59:08 PM »
Most new cars have quite a bit of Bondough on them.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2012, 02:18:02 AM »
Wouldn't bother me a bit to find a shim from the factory in a screw hole.  Just means they hit a soft spot or imperfection in the wood, or maybe the new guy just got too ambitious with the screwdriver.  No biggie.  They just should have put a little glue on it as I would have done and as I would do to fix it.  If I didn't realize it and lost the piece, toothpicks have worked well in the past.  It's just wood and it doesn't show, all you need to do is make it work for you.  Now if the wood had been chipped along the edge of the butt plate, that would go back to the factory.  Other than that, fix it and shoot it.  44 Man
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2012, 02:46:11 PM »
Here is the pic of my butt pad I made.
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Re: Buffalo Classic Bummer
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2012, 04:19:26 PM »
Nice!
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