Scientists want to ressurect, or clone the wooly mammoth.

[SHOOTALL]

ShootAll: Are you implying that our current president and perhaps other recent presidents don't have the sense of a wooly mammoth?

seems they are following the same path...................

[Dixie Dude]

Yep, we have been devolving since Reagan it seems.  Cloning just seems like man trying to play God.  If it works on animals, you know they will eventually try it on humans. 

[SHOOTALL]

Yep, we have been devolving since Reagan it seems.  Cloning just seems like man trying to play God.Do ya think they can produce a soul ?   If it works on animals, you know they will eventually try it on humans. Only if God allows .
 
NOTE - not cutting your post just ?'s that poped in my mind as I read .

[guzzijohn]

Quote from DixieDude:
"Yep, we have been devolving since Reagan it seems.  Cloning just seems like man trying to play God.  If it works on animals, you know they will eventually try it on humans."


I have heard similar lines about man playing God after the first heart transplant and other life saving procedures.
GuzziJohn

[BUGEYE]

I reckon God is in charge of inserting souls, so cloning humans will just create soul-less monsters.
kinda like democrats.

[AR50shooter]

I knew I'd have a use for the 50 BMG I bought several years ago!!   Mmmmmm....Burrrgerrr!!!!!!!!!!

[BUGEYE]

when you kill an elephant in africa, the meat goes to local villagers and they say it's really good.

[Casull]

I reckon God is in charge of inserting souls, so cloning humans will just create soul-less monsters.
kinda like democrats

 
 
We already have way too many of those right now.     

[KIMBER45]

I reckon God is in charge of inserting souls, so cloning humans will just create soul-less monsters.
kinda like democrats

 
 
We already have way too many of those right now.     

ONLY on this site can a reference to cloning a Woolly Mammoth, turn into a discussion on religion and politics. GOOD GRIEF.

[Casull]

ONLY on this site can a reference to cloning a Woolly Mammoth, turn into a discussion on religion and politics. GOOD GRIEF.

 
 
It's only irritating to those with no sense of humor.

[KIMBER45]

ONLY on this site can a reference to cloning a Woolly Mammoth, turn into a discussion on religion and politics. GOOD GRIEF.

 
 
It's only irritating to those with no sense of humor.

Sir-I finding nothing funny in your statement.

[BUGEYE]

ONLY on this site can a reference to cloning a Woolly Mammoth, turn into a discussion on religion and politics. GOOD GRIEF.

 
 
It's only irritating to those with no sense of humor.

[briarpatch]

Heres a thought for you. Wonder how many super rich elite have a cloned man they can get parts off of so they can live forever?
Blackhawker had a good question, if they can clone something that has been extinct for  thousands of years why not those of recent vintage?
I think it would be neat to see the ole wooly grazing on some tundra landscape.

[Cuts Crooked]

I think it would be neat to see the ole wooly grazing on some tundra landscape.

Hmmm? I think it would be neat to see ole wooly grazing about 40 yards from my smokehouse!

[KIMBER45]

Heres a thought for you. Wonder how many super rich elite have a cloned man they can get parts off of so they can live forever?
Blackhawker had a good question, if they can clone something that has been extinct for  thousands of years why not those of recent vintage?
I think it would be neat to see the ole wooly grazing on some tundra landscape.

I heard a specialist in cloning speak on this.  The interest is not cloning  individuals.Too many issues to go wrong.  It's in cloning organs. If that is accomplished, defective organs can be cloned [replaced] with organs from the person needing them. This will negate the rejection factor .

[Cuts Crooked]

I heard a specialist in cloning speak on this.  The interest is not cloning  individuals.Too many issues to go wrong.  It's in cloning organs. If that is accomplished, defective organs can be cloned [replaced] with organs from the person needing them. This will negate the rejection factor .

Hmmmm? Guess I'm stoopid, but wouldn't an organ cloned from a defective organ be.....well.....defective?

[Casull]

Sir-I finding nothing funny in your statement.

 
 
Uh, I know.  That was the point.

[Cuts Crooked]

Sir-I finding nothing funny in your statement.

 
 
Uh, I know.  That was the point.

+1   ZING!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KIMBER45]

I heard a specialist in cloning speak on this.  The interest is not cloning  individuals.Too many issues to go wrong.  It's in cloning organs. If that is accomplished, defective organs can be cloned [replaced] with organs from the person needing them. This will negate the rejection factor .

Hmmmm? Guess I'm stoopid, but wouldn't an organ cloned from a defective organ be.....well.....defective?

Not if you cloned it from the healthy cells.

[KIMBER45]

Sir-I finding nothing funny in your statement.

 
 
Uh, I know.  That was the point.

Try to leave the sarcasm out  and Let's get back to cloning. It's an interesting topic.

[Cuts Crooked]

Not if you cloned it from the healthy cells.

My point! If you clone from an unhealthy organ what do get? Ergo, if ya got liver cancer and you try to create a new liver it will carry the same genome that caused the cancer in the first place. Even if you find cells that are not affected yet.

[KIMBER45]

Not if you cloned it from the healthy cells.

My point! If you clone from an unhealthy organ what do get? Ergo, if ya got liver cancer and you try to create a new liver it will carry the same genome that caused the cancer in the first place. Even if you find cells that are not affected yet.

Not exactly. It depends if the cancer was caused by mutated DNA found in all the liver cells. By your logic, surgery to remove cancer would always fail because what is left behind will also turn to cancer. We know that is not always the case. Thank God. Breast cancers come to mind , with lumpectomies often being successful.The formation of ocogenes is very complex and hopefully the tissue removed has only been effected.

[Cuts Crooked]

Not exactly. It depends if the cancer was caused by mutated DNA found in all the liver cells. By your logic, surgery to remove cancer would always fail because what is left behind will also turn to cancer. We know that is not always the case. Thank God. Breast cancers come to mind , with lumpectomies often being successful.The formation of ocogenes is very complex and hopefully the tissue removed has only been effected.

I'm sorry, my experience with cancer victims has shown me that it frequently returns even after successful surgery. Sometimes much worse.

[KIMBER45]

Not exactly. It depends if the cancer was caused by mutated DNA found in all the liver cells. By your logic, surgery to remove cancer would always fail because what is left behind will also turn to cancer. We know that is not always the case. Thank God. Breast cancers come to mind , with lumpectomies often being successful.The formation of ocogenes is very complex and hopefully the tissue removed has only been effected.

I'm sorry, my experience with cancer victims has shown me that it frequently returns even after successful surgery. Sometimes much worse.

It depends on the type of cancer , where it's located and it aggressiveness. Do you work in the medical profession? How do you come into contact with these reacquiring cancer patients?

[DalesCarpentry]

Yea but lets say you receive a new cloned heart at 50 years of age because yours had gone bad at that age. Would it be reasonable to expect the new cloned heart to go 50 years before it also fails? At that point you would be 100 years old and led a very long life and it would just be your time to die. Dale

[Cuts Crooked]

It depends on the type of cancer , where it's located and it aggressiveness. Do you work in the medical profession? How do you come into contact with these reacquiring cancer patients?

I have close contact with the medical profession on a daily basis, however I do not work in health care. PM me if you want to know what I do. Aside from that, as I come rapidly up on the big Six O, and look back at those I've lost down through the years, it really shows up that the BIG C is often very aggressive and very persistant. AND, I have noted what seems to be a genetic factor in many cancers.........or lack thereof. For instance, no one in my family has ever had lung cancer, but there have been many instances of melinoma (sp?) in multiple generations. This in spite of the fact that all of my grandparents were heavy smokers....and lived into their 90s, and one side bunch of coal miners to boot. Sounds like the perfect perscription for lung C, but it has never happened. But that Melinoma thing just keeps popping up. Lost several cousins to it and two uncles.

[powderman]

ONLY on this site can a reference to cloning a Woolly Mammoth, turn into a discussion on religion and politics. GOOD GRIEF. 

     KIMBER. I don't think anybody is trying to turn it into a religious discussion, it's just that cloning is kinda like playing God, at least to me. There have been sheep and cattle cloned but last I heard the sheep had to be put down. Maybe somebody here has more info on this. POWDERMAN. 

[KIMBER45]

It depends on the type of cancer , where it's located and it aggressiveness. Do you work in the medical profession? How do you come into contact with these reacquiring cancer patients?

I have close contact with the medical profession on a daily basis, however I do not work in health care. PM me if you want to know what I do. Aside from that, as I come rapidly up on the big Six O, and look back at those I've lost down through the years, it really shows up that the BIG C is often very aggressive and very persistant. AND, I have noted what seems to be a genetic factor in many cancers.........or lack thereof. For instance, no one in my family has ever had lung cancer, but there have been many instances of melinoma (sp?) in multiple generations. This in spite of the fact that all of my grandparents were heavy smokers....and lived into their 90s, and one side bunch of coal miners to boot. Sounds like the perfect perscription for lung C, but it has never happened. But that Melinoma thing just keeps popping up. Lost several cousins to it and two uncles.

It's all about early detection and staging of the cancer. 

[KIMBER45]

Yea but lets say you receive a new cloned heart at 50 years of age because yours had gone bad at that age. Would it be reasonable to expect the new cloned heart to go 50 years before it also fails? At that point you would be 100 years old and led a very long life and it would just be your time to die. Dale

Again it depends on what caused the orginal heart to be damaged.

[KIMBER45]

ONLY on this site can a reference to cloning a Woolly Mammoth, turn into a discussion on religion and politics. GOOD GRIEF. 

     KIMBER. I don't think anybody is trying to turn it into a religious discussion, it's just that cloning is kinda like playing God, at least to me. There have been sheep and cattle cloned but last I heard the sheep had to be put down. Maybe somebody here has more info on this. POWDERMAN. 

Those were entire organisms. Let's remember, the cloning of organs is in the future, and with luck; it will be successful. For some individuals blood transfusions and other services provided by modern medicine is also against God's will. That's up to them. Ask a person who has cancer if he would want a healthy cloned organ free of the disease and his thoughts may change.