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One piece at a time
« on: March 16, 2012, 04:46:12 PM »
Finally completed my 22 Hornet build from the receiver that was given to me.
All the other parts came from various GBO members. My thanks to them as I was able to obtain all the parts quickly.
Hoping for a range trip next week.
This is my second H&R, getting the bug I guess.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 05:14:33 PM »
Congrats on the build, it looks really nice. 
Just to warn you, the bug is just starting.  Wait until you get a full blown case of it. ;D
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2012, 05:19:23 PM »
Hey, that looks pretty good.  What kind of scope?
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2012, 05:30:17 PM »
SB1 Frame?
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2012, 10:55:39 PM »
Quote from: rdlange on March 16, 2012, 05:19:23 PM
Hey, that looks pretty good.  What kind of scope?
Hey Tom,
It is a Bushnell Banner 6-18 X 50 AO.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2012, 01:38:32 PM »
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2012, 01:47:36 PM »
you done good... based ona song from johnny cash........ 8)
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2012, 01:53:55 PM »
Hope you dont get primer flow, though, in/around the firing pin. You will know soon enough.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2012, 02:01:55 PM »
Quote from: gcrank1 on March 18, 2012, 01:53:55 PM
Hope you dont get primer flow, though, in/around the firing pin. You will know soon enough.
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   Know what you mean gcrank.. I tried an SB1/Hornet..didn't work for me.. for just that reason..
 
  Let's hope it works for tc though..
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  tc;
  That does look like a nice setup..maybe those Michigan woodchucks and coyotes are soon in for some pain.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2012, 02:06:57 PM »
If it's a rifle SB1 it ought to be just fine.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2012, 02:08:23 PM »
If it does flow back off the load or change to a less peaky powder. The velo will be a bit less but you kill with the placement, not with the last hundred fps.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2012, 02:17:08 PM »
ya know, i built tha same thing a few years back... with tha large pin..
use'n spp, never hadda prollum with back-flow...........maybe cuz my handoad
and its potential. it ain't hot... and it don't need ta be 8)
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2012, 03:50:59 PM »
Amen. My accuracy picked up substantially when I went to an SB1 frame that was originally a 410 shotgun, no "flow" problems whatsoever. If I needed more I would get a 222. I use 34 gr HP's and 11.0 gr 0f 4227, a moderate load.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2012, 09:01:24 PM »
  I tried 35 gr V-max over Lil' Gun, in various loadings...  The firing pin hole was larger than that on the SB2 however.  Thicker primers helped, but didn't cure though.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2012, 02:28:36 PM »
This frame has the small firing pin, looks about the same size as my contender.
Never had any problems with primer flow, even with max loads.

Hope this one doesn't give me any problems, will know this week sometime.
Will let you know.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2012, 02:36:33 PM »
Quote from: ironglow on March 18, 2012, 02:01:55 PM
Quote from: gcrank1 on March 18, 2012, 01:53:55 PM
Hope you dont get primer flow, though, in/around the firing pin. You will know soon enough.
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
   Know what you mean gcrank.. I tried an SB1/Hornet..didn't work for me.. for just that reason..
 
  Let's hope it works for tc though..
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  tc;
  That does look like a nice setup..maybe those Michigan woodchucks and coyotes are soon in for some pain.
I hope its a shooter, my contender is very accurate, but was looking for something with a more steady platform for longer shots.
The farm where I deer hunt needs a good woodchuck house cleaning and a few yotes too.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2012, 12:39:01 AM »
Range trip yesterday, first and I guess foremost there are no primer problems. Max loads with CCI 400 and Rem 5 1/2 primers were normal.
This was primarily a function and sight in session. Even though the twist is the same as the contender, seems the H&R does not like my contender loads.
And so load development starts again. One load showed good accuracy at 50 YDS but opened up considerably at 100 YDS.
Back to the drawing board. I think with the right load the H&R will be a good shooter.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2012, 02:43:32 AM »
Dont give up, or start over too soon on loads! It is not unusual with these to have to get 50-100 rounds thru the barrel to season it in.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2012, 03:09:48 AM »
tc,
 
Per the FAQs the 22 hornet, new production since 1986, can have either 1:9 or 1:16 12 twist.  Also, i   bought 223 H&R barrel that had a 1:14 twist, the 22-250 twist. You might want to check your twist rate as it might be different than your contender or what you think it is.
 
NOTE:  I looked the twist rate up in the FAQs before I posted and still managed to screw it up. :-[
 
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2012, 05:03:57 AM »
BB, this is the FAQs twist info for the 22 Hornet... .22 Hornet 1 n 12" (original H&R pre '87 1:16"?)(or 1:9" for late production) which means prior to '87 you might have a 1:16" barrel, those barrels will be the thin contour and likely have dovetailed rear sights, '87 until ~2007, you'll find 1:12" and later will be 1:9".  ;)

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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2012, 02:03:35 PM »
After double checking, the H&R and the Contender both have a 1-12 twist. My Contender wouldn't shoot anything over 40 Grs worth a hoot.
The 40 Gr V-Max and Nosler 40 Gr Spitzer were the best.The 35 Gr V-Max a very close second.

Maybe I am wrong in my thinking, but my guess is with the same twist the H&R is not going shoot anything above 40 Grs also.
Unlike the Contender it won't shoot worth a dang off the bipod either.
A new gun is always a challenge and finding what it likes is all part of the fun.

I had to do the temporary fix on the ejector to disable it, that baby shoots the cases about as far backwards as the bullets go forward.  ;D
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2012, 08:14:46 AM »
Google up 'Greenhill Formula' for your twist rate to see what max. length projecile will stabilize. It sorta correlates to weight, but a long ojive bullet can mess you up.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2012, 08:27:25 AM »
Even better, use the stability calculator at the bottom of the JBM page, it's based on a modern formula, not the antiquated Greenhill formula.  ;)

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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2012, 08:41:01 AM »
Ouch....... ;)
I guess I ourtta get into this century.......... ::)
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2012, 01:35:42 PM »
Boy, this is getting way over my head, will take some time to decipher those calculations.
Thanks for the help.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2012, 01:42:43 PM »
The input criteria are simple, bullet diameter is .224", bullet weight in grains, bullet length as measured with the same caliper you use to measure COL, velocity and twist rate, use the default temp and barometric pressure unless you're shooting in extreme conditions like in the Himalayas!!  ;D

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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2012, 07:21:54 AM »
How's the stock?  I got a Handi-grip for one of mine.  The Handi-grip has alot more length between the pistol grip and the trigger.  Varmint stock and I guess Survivor stock have pistol grip closer to the trigger - better for smaller hands, but the Handi-grip is lighter - why I got it instead.

I like the Varmint stock but didn't have anything really suited to it.

Have read pressure point or bipod on forend 'might' be an accuracy issue but I never had that problem because I didn't bipod it - just put the sandbag under the barrel pivot point as usual with Handi rifles as recommended.

You'll get it right I'm sure.
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Re: One piece at a time
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2012, 12:00:36 PM »
Quote from: rdlange on March 24, 2012, 07:21:54 AM
How's the stock?  I got a Handi-grip for one of mine.  The Handi-grip has alot more length between the pistol grip and the trigger.  Varmint stock and I guess Survivor stock have pistol grip closer to the trigger - better for smaller hands, but the Handi-grip is lighter - why I got it instead.

I like the Varmint stock but didn't have anything really suited to it.

Have read pressure point or bipod on forend 'might' be an accuracy issue but I never had that problem because I didn't bipod it - just put the sandbag under the barrel pivot point as usual with Handi rifles as recommended.

You'll get it right I'm sure.

Stock is great, but didn't take long to figure out the bipod was not going to work.
Once I put it on the bag, things started to shape up. Just a matter of sorting out what it likes.
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