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O'Boy apologizes to Afghans but not to Mexico
« on: March 19, 2012, 06:01:10 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-apologizes-afghan-slayings-still-ignores-mexican-fast-221859684.html

President Barack Obama has never apologized to Mexican President Felipe Calderon for the 300 civilians murdered with weapons the United States provided to Mexico’s drug cartels, but on Sunday he found time to place a call to Afghan president Hamid Karzai apologizing for deaths caused by an American soldier this weekend in Afghanistan.
The Daily Caller asked the White House why Obama hasn’t similarly apologized to Calderon for the murders that resulted from the U.S. policy of providing weapons to the Mexican cartels. Obama spokesman Eric Schultz did not answer.
The Obama administration’s “Fast and Furious” program — organized by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and overseen by the Department of Justice — sent thousands of weapons to Mexican drug cartels via straw purchasers, or people who legally purchase guns in the United States with the intention of illegally trafficking them somewhere else. This tactic is known as “gunwalking.”
At least 300 people in Mexico were killed with weapons provided by Fast and Furious, including U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. The identities of the Mexican victims are unknown. Allegations are now surfacing that Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Jaime Zapata was also murdered with weapons the Obama administration allowed to “walk” into the hands of drug cartel members.
It’s been more than a year since Terry was murdered with weapons his own government gave to his murderers, but not one government official has yet been held accountable.
A total of 118 U.S. House members have either demanded Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation, expressed no confidence in his job performance via a formal House resolution, or both. Joining the 118 House members who have taken action on Holder over the gunwalking scandal are three U.S. Senators, two sitting governors and all of the major GOP presidential candidates.
House oversight committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, who’s led the congressional investigation into Fast and Furious with Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, told TheDC recently that he thinks the “[Department of] Justice has blood on their hands” and that Holder owes an apology to Mexico.
Neither Holder nor Obama has made such an apology to the Mexican government.
In a statement on this weekend’s Afghanistan tragedy, Obama said he wanted “to get the facts as quickly as possible and to hold accountable anyone responsible.”
Schultz didn’t answer when TheDC asked him if Obama supports the same goals with regard to Fast and Furious.
The Obama administration has instead stonewalled Congress on the issue, refusing to reply to subpoenas from Issa. Out of 80,000 pages worth of documents Issa has lawfully subpoenaed, the DOJ has only provided about 6,000 or 7,000 pages to Congress. The DOJ has, however, given all of those documents to its internal investigator, the Inspector General.
Holder has not provided any legal reason as to why he’s withholding these documents from Congress and the American people, but the attorney general has claimed that he’s not covering anything up.
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Re: O'Boy apologizes to Afghans but not to Mexico
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2012, 08:29:13 AM »
Cuts, I take it that... you think it was a bad idea for Obama to phone Karzai & express regret over the (apparent, alleged by US gov't) killings by an American soldier?


Or do you really think he should be apologizing to the Mexicans? I'll speculate that if an Border Patrol agent drives into Mexico and (allegedly) shoots a bunch of women and kids, he will do just that. Probably.
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Re: O'Boy apologizes to Afghans but not to Mexico
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2012, 10:15:54 AM »
Cuts, I take it that... you think it was a bad idea for Obama to phone Karzai & express regret over the (apparent, alleged by US gov't) killings by an American soldier?


Or do you really think he should be apologizing to the Mexicans? I'll speculate that if an Border Patrol agent drives into Mexico and (allegedly) shoots a bunch of women and kids, he will do just that. Probably.

Oh its APPARENT to you? Will you be providing eye witness testimony at his trial? Obama should not have apologized for something that hasn't been prooven in a court of law yet. When all the facts are in and a verdict is handed down then an apology should be issued if the verdict warrants it. The fact is that unless you saw what happened first hand then there is no way that you actually know what happened. Anything that anyone who wasn't there knows is only what big brother wants us to know.
 
This hypocrisy is sickening. This guy has been tried and convicted before he ever got to stand in front of a judge by the same people who urged us not to jump to any conclusions when someone yelled ALLAHU AKBAR! while shooting up a stateside army base.
 
And on the Mexican issue it has been prooven that a US gooberment "operation" pumped illegal weapons into Mexico that were then used in the commission of crimes. Yes he should apologize to them for his bungled fast and furious operation and then him and holder should be held accountable for their crimes because the last I heard "straw purchases" of firearms were punishable by jail time.
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Re: O'Boy apologizes to Afghans but not to Mexico
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2012, 10:31:13 AM »
Oh its APPARENT to you?
based on the same stuff you probably read... yeah, it is apparent. The Army has said one of their own did it. Have you read anything indicating otherwise? It looks bad for SGT Bales.
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Will you be providing eye witness testimony at his trial?
Not me, I didn't see the killings. I expect there are others (mostly victims) who will testify to that.
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The fact is that unless you saw what happened first hand then there is no way that you actually know what happened.

I disagree; most of us daily make judgments about events we didn't personally witness.
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This hypocrisy is sickening. This guy has been tried and convicted before he ever got to stand in front of a judge by the same people who urged us not to jump to any conclusions when someone yelled ALLAHU AKBAR! while shooting up a stateside army base.
No hypocrisy here. BTW... if you're referring to that Hasan character... I admit that I figured he was guilty, based upon news reports, even though I wasn't personally there and no trial had even been convened. And since no verdict has been handed down in that case, perhaps we should all remember that Hasan is only a suspect at this point... ? (personally, I still think he did it)
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Re: O'Boy apologizes to Afghans but not to Mexico
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2012, 10:54:21 AM »
Cuts, I take it that... you think it was a bad idea for Obama to phone Karzai & express regret over the (apparent, alleged by US gov't) killings by an American soldier?


Or do you really think he should be apologizing to the Mexicans? I'll speculate that if an Border Patrol agent drives into Mexico and (allegedly) shoots a bunch of women and kids, he will do just that. Probably.

Uh...no, I think he should apologize to Mexico because itis an admitted fact that his liberal lead BATF deliberately let those guns get into Mexico and over 300 people were killed.
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Re: O'Boy apologizes to Afghans but not to Mexico
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2012, 10:57:02 AM »
well, phrased like that... yeah, he probably should. But that would be admitting wrongdoing thus far denied...
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Re: O'Boy apologizes to Afghans but not to Mexico
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2012, 10:58:39 AM »
If Hasan is still just a suspect then the same courtesy should be extended to Bales until guilt is proven. And just because we all make judgements on a daily basis on things we didnt witness doesnt make our judgement truth.
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Re: O'Boy apologizes to Afghans but not to Mexico
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2012, 11:50:18 AM »
well, phrased like that... yeah, he probably should. But that would be admitting wrongdoing thus far denied...

I donno, he's apologizing to muzlims for something that hasn't yet been proven, or admitted too, while not apologizing to Mexico for something that is proven and admitted too.
 
What am I missing here?
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