Third-Party Candidate Could Rise Due To Voter Dissatisfaction

[northkid]

Third-Party Candidate Could Rise Due To Voter Dissatisfaction
 
Gary Johnson, once the Republican governor of New Mexico, is now campaigning for the Libertarian Party's nomination for president. Ron Paul is still running as a Republican, but as he recently told HuffPost, he hasn't ruled out a third-party candidacy either. Meanwhile, a group called Americans Elect is vowing to put an independent candidate on the ballot in all fifty states.
Could this be the year that an independent or third-party candidate really makes a mark on a presidential election? "This may be an exceptional year," said Barbara O’Connor, director of the Institute for Study of Politics and Media at California State University, Sacramento. "I think the fact that politicians and traditional parties are held in such low-esteem could bode for different outcomes."
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/10/third-party-candidate-new-hampshire-primary_n_1197818.html

[Casull]

Could this be the year that an independent or third-party candidate really makes a mark on a presidential election?

 
 
Well, RP's pretty dismal showing thus far would seem to indicate NO.  Unless, of course, you speak to his possible impact as a spoiler.  But, the other RP (Ross Perot) beat him to that.

[powderman]

Could this be the year that an independent or third-party candidate really makes a mark on a presidential election?

 
 
Well, RP's pretty dismal showing thus far would seem to indicate NO.  Unless, of course, you speak to his possible impact as a spoiler.  But, the other RP (Ross Perot) beat him to that.

 
If rp goes as a 3rd party it will prove to me that he is simply a spoiler who cares only about the publicity, not the best thing for America. That would insure an obummer victory. POWDERMAN. 

[45-70.gov]

a third party will take a few votes from  obummer
and  many votes from the republican


leaving obummer with the most votes....the winner


any one running  on a third party vote ....either knows
he is helping obummer get elected
OR  is tooooo stupid to realize this


the next presedent will either be a democrat  or republican
DEAL WITH REALITY

[BUGEYE]

a third party will take a few votes from  obummer
and  many votes from the republican


leaving obummer with the most votes....the winner


any one running  on a third party vote ....either knows
he is helping obummer get elected
OR  is tooooo stupid to realize this


the next presedent will either be a democrat  or republican
DEAL WITH REALITY

you ARE being real.  thanks.

[powderman]

a third party will take a few votes from  obummer
and  many votes from the republican


leaving obummer with the most votes....the winner


any one running  on a third party vote ....either knows
he is helping obummer get elected
OR  is tooooo stupid to realize this


the next presedent will either be a democrat  or republican
DEAL WITH REALITY

 
BINGO. POWDERMAN. 

[Doublebass73]

the next presedent will either be a democrat  or republican
DEAL WITH REALITY

You're right, don't forget this either:

The next president will either be a gun grabber who signed socialist healthcare into law or a gun grabber who signed socialist healthcare into law.
DEAL WITH REALITY

[Casull]

either be a gun grabber who signed socialist healthcare into law or a gun grabber who signed socialist healthcare into law

 
 
Seriously, you need some new material.  That has to be at least the 50th time you've written the exact same phrase. 

[northkid]

the next presedent will either be a democrat  or republican
DEAL WITH REALITY

You're right, don't forget this either:

The next president will either be a gun grabber who signed socialist healthcare into law or a gun grabber who signed socialist healthcare into law.
DEAL WITH REALITY

They are both anti gun and pro national healthcare.

[northkid]

a third party will take a few votes from  obummer
and  many votes from the republican


leaving obummer with the most votes....the winner


any one running  on a third party vote ....either knows
he is helping obummer get elected
OR  is tooooo stupid to realize this


the next precedent will either be a democrat  or republican
DEAL WITH REALITY

When the 3rd party jumps in that win be a sure win for the democrats. An that will be REALITY for 4 more years of democrats. With the choice between Oboma and Mitt I will sit on the sidelines with the other millions of Americans who refuse to vote for less of to evils.

[ironglow]

a third party will take a few votes from  obummer
and  many votes from the republican


leaving obummer with the most votes....the winner


any one running  on a third party vote ....either knows
he is helping obummer get elected
OR  is tooooo stupid to realize this


the next presedent will either be a democrat  or republican
DEAL WITH REALITY

 
BINGO. POWDERMAN. 

oooooooooooo
   Yes, that's the facts;
    Although Romney may not seem to some as strong on the 2nd amendment (gun) rights, as a Gingrich, Paul or Santorum. We should stop picking the conservative candidates apart. 
   In all honesty, with other important factors..such as 1st amendment (faith) rights..probably Santorum, Romney and Gingrich would lead in that order.  Medical insurance rights may well be led by Paul, followed by Santorum, Gingrich and then Romney.
   If we are mesmerized by one candidate..it is easy to pick apart another by trying to expose any seemingly weaker positions.
    Those of us who have raised chickens realize how they can gang up on just one of their number..when they percieve to see a bit of blood exposed..let's not "kill our own" as mentally dull chickens may do...
     
                        ...... Especially if such cannibalism will leave a complete TURKEY in charge !!
 

[Cuts Crooked]

 
 
Seriously, you need some new material.  That has to be at least the 50th time you've written the exact same phrase.

Doesn't make it any less true though!

[45-70.gov]

the next presedent will either be a democrat  or republican
DEAL WITH REALITY

You're right, don't forget this either:

The next president will either be a gun grabber who signed socialist healthcare into law or a gun grabber who signed socialist healthcare into law.
DEAL WITH REALITY

They are both anti gun and pro national healthcare.

obummer = romney


so......look at the party they each belong to
one is in the same party as barney frank pelosi reed  schumer...the kenedies boxer
clintons need  i go on?


the only thin worse than a republican is a democrat

[powderman]

With the choice between Oboma and Mitt I will sit on the sidelines with the other millions of Americans who refuse to vote for less of to evils.

 
By doing that you will help put the illegal kenyan back in office. At least if we vote for romney it is a vote AGAINST obummer. POWDERMAN. 

[BUGEYE]

With the choice between Oboma and Mitt I will sit on the sidelines with the other millions of Americans who refuse to vote for less of to evils.

 
By doing that you will help put the illegal kenyan back in office. At least if we vote for romney it is a vote AGAINST obummer. POWDERMAN. 

the folks who don't vote, or those who vote for obama, want communism NOW!!!!!

[Cuts Crooked]

With the choice between Oboma and Mitt I will sit on the sidelines with the other millions of Americans who refuse to vote for less of to evils.

 
By doing that you will help put the illegal kenyan back in office. At least if we vote for romney it is a vote AGAINST obummer. POWDERMAN. 

Interesting! SO if Obummer wins will y'all vote a true conservative next time, or will y'all continue down the same path of voting for the lesser of two evils?

[jimster]

There is a reason the republicans lost control to democrats in the first place is because the republicans turned their backs on conservatives and became weak and blended in with democrats.  This left conservatives with no place to go.  Why blame them for the republican party falling apart?   Then they say conservatives need to "fix" the republican party.  Oh, great...the reps are taken over with progressives now it's up to us to vote for them and fix it after that?  Somehow I don't see the logic here.  Why don't republicans stop slapping around the conservatives here and fix their own party and give conservatives somewhere to go, instead of blaming them for democrats being in control all these years? Independence used to be a good thing in this country.  Now the republicans tell us it's our fault the other side is in power.  Well it's not.  It's their own fault.  Trying to push people to vote a certain way by blaming them for the republican mess is not going to work either.  We didn't screw that up...we just watched it happen and feel like walking away. The reps need to earn votes, not try to scare people into voting.  Some of us don't scare all that easy anymore. 

[oldandslow]

The problem with voting for a true conservative in this day and age is that person has no chance of winning. So what do you do ? Waste your vote on the true conservative or choose the lesser of two evils to get rid of the greater? Voting for a third party candidate that couldn't hack it in the primaries is just a wasted vote and it will help assure that we continue with the same evil we have today instead of one slightly less evil.

Political chance comes with small steps. We didn't get into the mess we are in today with one election. It has crept up on us thru the years with each election. If we are, and I doubt we will, reverse the direction our country is going it will be with done slowly thru the same process.

We will either have a republican or a democrat president next term. That's a given. I am going to vote for the one I think will do the least evil. That's not much of a choice but that's what's available, take it or leave it. If you leave it you will get to see Obama and his lovely wife as your supreme leader for four more years.

Personally I would vote for Gary Johnson  if there was any chance that he could win. He's was a very successful contractor before becoming governor of NM and ran the state like a business. He was roundly denounced while in office because he wouldn't "compromise" and spend on unneeded things. You didn't see budget crisies during his terms in office. He was treaded as a joke by the media and has no chance. Pity.

[BUGEYE]

The problem with voting for a true conservative in this day and age is that person has no chance of winning. So what do you do ? Waste your vote on the true conservative or choose the lesser of two evils to get rid of the greater? Voting for a third party candidate that couldn't hack it in the primaries is just a wasted vote and it will help assure that we continue with the same evil we have today instead of one slightly less evil.

Political chance comes with small steps. We didn't get into the mess we are in today with one election. It has crept up on us thru the years with each election. If we are, and I doubt we will, reverse the direction our country is going it will be with done slowly thru the same process.

We will either have a republican or a democrat president next term. That's a given. I am going to vote for the one I think will do the least evil. That's not much of a choice but that's what's available, take it or leave it. If you leave it you will get to see Obama and his lovely wife as your supreme leader for four more years.

wise words.

[Cuts Crooked]

There is a reason the republicans lost control to democrats in the first place is because the republicans turned their backs on conservatives and became weak and blended in with democrats.  This left conservatives with no place to go.  Why blame them for the republican party falling apart?   Then they say conservatives need to "fix" the republican party.  Oh, great...the reps are taken over with progressives now it's up to us to vote for them and fix it after that?  Somehow I don't see the logic here.  Why don't republicans stop slapping around the conservatives here and fix their own party and give conservatives somewhere to go, instead of blaming them for democrats being in control all these years? Independence used to be a good thing in this country.  Now the republicans tell us it's our fault the other side is in power.  Well it's not.  It's their own fault.  Trying to push people to vote a certain way by blaming them for the republican mess is not going to work either.  We didn't screw that up...we just watched it happen and feel like walking away. The reps need to earn votes, not try to scare people into voting.  Some of us don't scare all that easy anymore.

Wise Words!!!!!!!!!!

[mcwoodduck]

the next presedent will either be a democrat  or republican
DEAL WITH REALITY

You're right, don't forget this either:

The next president will either be a gun grabber who signed socialist healthcare into law or a gun grabber who signed socialist healthcare into law.
DEAL WITH REALITY

Correct from the Bull Moose party to Ross Perot, to what ever else.
The 3rd party candidate only sucks votes from the party he is closest to.
Bill Clinton Won the Presidency with 40 to 43% of the vote.  The other 57 to 60 % voted NOT for him.  But he got the most votes with Perot taking votes from Bush 41. 
If we see a independant Conservitive or liberal making a run for the oval office it will only split the vote and we will have another Clinton Vote where clearly the majority of the nation did not want him. 
If Ron Paul makes an independant run, we will have another term for Obama.
If we can some how get a Ralph Nader or Hillary type candidate to run on the left as a fourth candidate we have a chance.
 

[ironglow]

 Third party candidates are spoilers..nothing more..

[Cuts Crooked]

Well...........it is becoming increasingly obvious that this is NOT a two party system, in fact it's not really a system in which one can make a real choice...you may either vote for the Democratic parties system of socialism, OR you can vote for the Republican parties system of socialism.

Anyone who argues for true freedom of choice is derided and belittled. The "conservatives" here will simply not support a constitutionalist, nor will they stand up and fight for true freedom. They just demand that everyone vote in lock step for whatever socialistdemolib they have had foisted on them by the media and the political machine.

The truth is, there is no real difference between O'romney & Romabama, not where it really counts!

Oh.........wait....there is a difference.........Romney can't win! That's why the media focuses on him!

But then, true freedom is terrifying to most apparently. Much like the Constitution most seem to think they can't live under it's original intent anymore.

[mcwoodduck]

Well...........it is becoming increasingly obvious that this is NOT a two party system, in fact it's not really a system in which one can make a real choice...you may either vote for the Democratic parties system of socialism, OR you can vote for the Republican parties system of socialism.

Anyone who argues for true freedom of choice is derided and belittled. The "conservatives" here will simply not support a constitutionalist, nor will they stand up and fight for true freedom. They just demand that everyone vote in lock step for whatever socialistdemolib they have had foisted on them by the media and the political machine.

The truth is, there is no real difference between O'romney & Romabama, not where it really counts!

Oh.........wait....there is a difference.........Romney can't win! That's why the media focuses on him!

But then, true freedom is terrifying to most apparently. Much like the Constitution most seem to think they can't live under it's original intent anymore.

Well if we had a true press that held politicians accountable.
On the talk radio we hear the news blurbs that the President said this lie or that that lie and they report what he said as the truth and do not correct his lies but allow them to be diseminated.
And you are correct we have two choices
Communist/ Socialist  with the Democrats and slower scale socialsim with the Moderate Republicans.
We say in 1979 when we had a conservitive candiate that he won by a land slide.  True mandate.  The Liberals did everytning they could to lie and cheat their way to Socilism with the Press promoting thier lies nightly.
We need to find a true conservitive candidate, not listen to the nightly news that does not want a Conservitive in office and they keep telling everyone that a real conservitive is not ellectable.  And for some reason the Moderates in the Republican party believe it and we end up with a Mit Rohmney.  Now if he is the Republican choice I will vote for him over another 4 years of Obama that will kill our country with his other than constitutional acts.
For those of you who are going to vote for a 3rd party candidate (Paul) or stay home you are allowing Obama to win and destroy our economy, destroy our freedoms, destroy our position in the world.
Obama and his kind see the US as Evil, not  as the economic machine that has pulled the world into the highest standard of living, the leader in innovations, the leader in efficiency and creation of wealth that has leached out over the world and rebuilt Western Germany and Asia after WWII and in an odd way created a better standard of living in the Soviet Union and the Eastern Europe.  But those leaps were not for the people but to keep up with us and keep the soviet communist system viable to export to places like Cuba, Viet Nam, Africa, and South America.  Once the whole world is Socialist no one will have anything.  Life expendency will drop to middle ages and so will infant mortality.  Capitalism good or evil is what is the best hope for our planet. 
 

[Cuts Crooked]

Mcwooduck

I was with ya there...right up until you wrote that you would vote for a different socialist.

[nw_hunter]

Third party candidates are spoilers..nothing more..

REALLY!...........Aside from them being spoilers, what is it exactly you don't agree with about third party candidates like RP?I'm talking about the Constitution type, not the Green party or Socialist types!


Is this really all you see from people like him?Nothing more?

[mcbammer]

When   one-third  of   the   House &  Senate  become   third party ,  then   you   might   have  a  third   party   president.

[jimster]

Well if some of you republicans think a third party will split the vote then I say you all better jump out of your party and make the numbers bigger in the third party.  You be the ones who move.  Why is it everyone needs to come to your mess?  We can play that game too.  I see no reason why some of you can't move out of your failed party.  Voting for the most conservative or the most constitutional or the most logical should not be scaring you republicans all that much, you haven't done crap in the last 50 years,  you have very little to lose by being the ones who move to something else.  Dem's have been kicking your butts for most of 50 years anyway, and all you got was more progressive and closer to the "middle".   Maybe it's time you left that party anyway. 
 

 
 

[Casull]

There is a reason the republicans lost control to democrats in the first place is because the republicans turned their backs on conservatives and became weak and blended in with democrats.

 
 
jiimster, I just don't believe that is true.  What has happened is that the voters have become less conservative.  When you have one-half of the population not paying federal income tax, just which party do you think they are going to lean towards?
 
 
 

Well if some of you republicans think a third party will split the vote then I say you all better jump out of your party and make the numbers bigger in the third party.

 
 
LOL.  If all the republicans moved over to the third party, the results would be what you are seeing right now.  Namely RP coming in 4th out of a slate of 4 candidates.

[jimster]

What has happened is that the voters have become less conservative.

What happened is the republican party became less conservative to get some votes from less conservative people.
 

LOL.  If all the republicans moved over to the third party, the results would be what you are seeing right now.  Namely RP coming in 4th out of a slate of 4 candidates.

RP is probably doing as well as any of the founding fathers would be doing if any were alive.  Which isn't very good.  But the followers are at least honest conservatives.  There has to be something to stand for these days, even if you stand alone.