Third-Party Candidate Could Rise Due To Voter Dissatisfaction

[BUGEYE]

Apparently a lot of people are ignorant about what can happen when obama appoints as many as three SCOTUS judges.
if that happens, any future conservative vote will be worthless.  liberal judges have always legislated from the bench, and it won't matter what congress does.
the members at this site are just a tiny smidgen of Americas population, and it's obvious that Mitt is who the majority wants.  so wake up and try to help save whats left of this country, instead of flushing it down the toilet with a obama win.
I voted for Rick,  but I'll durn sure not sit on my butt with my lips poked out like a spoiled brat if he don't get the nomination.
I WILL vote for the nominee.

[mcwoodduck]

And unfortunatly your principals and the Who song are going to usser in another 4 years of Obama and have him kill our country that will not come back.  You all say when it gets bad enough we will change it back.  I am sure the people of Germany said the same thing in the 30's and it took a few million deaths and the splitting of the country to get it back to a nation.  How bad is bad before you help to turn the tide?  And slowing the sinking of the ship is what is needed to give us time to bail it out, sure up the damage and return us to sailing in the right direction.  Do I want a diet Obama, Heck no but I know I do not want an OBAMA!

LOL!! I love seeing the neocons trying to blame everyone but themselves for Obama! It's hilarious! They'll vote for a candidate that's exactly like O'boy, and can't beat him anyway, but they won't vote for true freedom and constitutional priniciples.....and blame everyone else. LOL!!!!!

I want Santorum but it looks like I will not get my way.  I am not acting like a spoiled child and am looking to rid our nation of evil, yes Mitt is still evil but not as evil. 
I am not a neocon.  I am a conservitive!  I believe the constitution was written that way to mean what is says.  I know that there is NOTHING that governemnt can do that the private sector can not do better.  I understand that the US can not be an isolated nation and that we need to stand by our allies.  We need a strong defence.  ANd to build our economy we need to lower taxes and reduce regulations.  I believe in private property and being able to use it.   

[jimster]

and it's obvious that Mitt is who the majority wants.

I don't care what the majority wants, it's possible the majority are way wrong.  If you don't think the majority of people are morally lacking in many places, try dropping your wallet with a couple hundred bucks and a return address in any large city and see what the majority of people will do with this.  Guess what, those people vote.  What the majority think don't mean squat to me.  Being in the majority does not make you right or just or even smart. 
As a  side note, I would also say the majority does not want Mitt, they have settled for Mitt, I do not wish to lower the bar for myself anymore, done that, been there, has not worked out at all. 

[Cuts Crooked]

Apparently a lot of people are ignorant about what can happen when obama appoints as many as three SCOTUS judges.

Yeah, well, What's really scarey is that MITT might get to appoint three of his own! Like I've said elsewhere, given Mits past history, which we must relie on as opposed to his mouth noises, we can't trust him one iota more than the Obamanator.
 
So.....keep trying to blame everyone but your neocon selves. Romney will loose and MAYBE after four more years the Repubs will actually listen to their conservative base and run a candidate that can garner the support of same......without that support, they will just keep dropping deeper into the hole of history.
 
.....all because the "conservatives" are too terrified of real freedom and scared to death to live under the Constitution as intended by the founders of this once great nation.
 

"Principles are tough to live with, but without them you are no more than a slave."

[scootrd]

And unfortunatly your principals and the Who song are going to usser in another 4 years of Obama and have him kill our country that will not come back.  You all say when it gets bad enough we will change it back.  I am sure the people of Germany said the same thing in the 30's and it took a few million deaths and the splitting of the country to get it back to a nation.  How bad is bad before you help to turn the tide?  And slowing the sinking of the ship is what is needed to give us time to bail it out, sure up the damage and return us to sailing in the right direction.  Do I want a diet Obama, Heck no but I know I do not want an OBAMA! 

Drawing an analogy of what is going on here in US at present , and what happened in Germany is not even in the same realm.
This election cycle has less to do with the presidency as it will with legislative seats. The fight is not at the presidential race and more concerted efforts should be emphasized on legislative seats up for  grabs.

Mitt is Obama  -  twin sons of different Mothers.
The only difference I draw is , At least Obama was honest and told everyone exactly what direction he wished to take America. Mitt on the other hand changes his positions with the wind. He has zero integrity, zero principals, and gives Used
car salesman and Lawyers stereotypes a good name . Mitt cares little for the USA and more for personal acheivement just to put another feather in his cap and apply nepotism for he fellow 1% cronies if he obtains the office.   

I would much rather face an adversary on the field of battle who has integrity of his convictions (though I may disagree) , then face an adversary within my own ranks guised as an ally.

Just because someone waves a banner and proclaims they are a republican does not make them so. The direction Mitt has in store for US is just as Bleak. But then again who knows , he was for , before he was against , oh wait what audience is this ? oh yeah he was against before he was for , oh wait that was last week , he is now for what he was  against before he was for it.

Semper Fi
 

[oldandslow]

It appears that tube is getting a little more inclined every day.

[BUGEYE]

I'm sure RP is the candidate that some people want, and I would vote for him if nominated.
however, obama would beat him in the debates.  he is ONE issue. audit the fed......
when asked tough questions, he comes very close to losing his temper. hardly presidential.....

[Cuts Crooked]

I'm sure RP is the candidate that some people want, and I would vote for him if nominated.
however, obama would beat him in the debates.  he is ONE issue. audit the fed......
when asked tough questions, he comes very close to losing his temper. hardly presidential.....

Probably more "presidential" than flip flopping constantly and supporting anti constitutional gun laws and socialistic policies. But hey!!!! Who's worried about what a candidates past actions were? After all......he SAYS he's.................
 

"Principles are tough to live with, but without them you are no more than a slave."

[northkid]

I find it humorous that people think "Voting the lesser of two evils" is a vote for good.  A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. 
   

Good way of  putting it in plan English. Sorta, would you rather be hit with just the train engine or the train engine with 30 cars attached to it. Good odds are ya gonna be DELETED dead either way. Note to poster! Abbreviates of unacceptable words will not be allowed.This is a family site!

[northkid]

cuts crooked,  you are spreading falsehoods.  I have been against RP ever since I found the truth about him.  but I've qualified it many times by saying "if RP gets the nomination, he will get my vote".
a vote for any republican, cancels a vote for obama.  a non-vote is a vote for obama.

Ya sound like a broken record player. And it hasn't changed my mine ONE bit.

[northkid]

So, between a communist and a socialist you would not vote, and allow the communist to take over and kill out nation?
By not voting for the lesser of two evils you are voting for the greater of the two evils!
Failing to vote is voting. 

I never said I was not going to vote .
My state allows for presidential write in and that is how I will cast my vote and I will sleep well keeping with my principals in so doing..

And if you really believe a vote for Mitt is any different than a vote for Obama you are just fooling yourself.
His Gun record is abysmal, his Jobs record is abysmal, he has no integrity and is a flip flopper (nice way to say Liar)
he is not for middle class , he is for his wealthy cronies, and I could go on but wont. If you can sleep well voting for someone like that -  have at it.

Respectfully,

Semper FI

I just wounder how many Millions of peopel will do a write in this election. Gonna be a very interesting year.

[northkid]

And while I do nto want Rhomney I will vote for him to vote against the greates evil our freedoms are facing.

 
 
BINGO. ABO. POWDERMAN. 

SAY WHAT??? Romney has more anti-gun votes, signed more anti-gun legislation, and even has Romney-care plus all the other BS laws Mitt also signed in Massachusetts . Base on what you just posted above Obama looks like a shinning star.

[45-70.gov]

WRITE  IN VOTE  ==    NO VOTE AGAINST OBUMER


the next president will be the republican nominee  or  OBUMER


any one that won't vote against obumer is a fool....in my opinion




RINO    or real republican  not sure id one is better than the other anymore
but  either is better than a democrat

[Cuts Crooked]

WRITE  IN VOTE  ==    NO VOTE AGAINST OBUMER

any one that won't vote against obumer is a fool....in my opinion

Anyone who will vote for a socialist gun grabber is a coward, terrified of the very idea of being truely free or living under our Constition as intended by the founders of this once great nation....in my opinion. (works both ways my freind)

[powderman]

WRITE  IN VOTE  ==    NO VOTE AGAINST OBUMER


the next president will be the republican nominee  or  OBUMER


any one that won't vote against obumer is a fool....in my opinion




RINO    or real republican  not sure if one is better than the other anymore
but  either is better than a democrat

 
Right you are. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

Voting 3rd party is kinda like a shooting match. The presidency, or dethroning obummer is the target set at 1,000 yds. The Republican nominee is a scoped 3006 with a rifleman. The 3rd party is a 22 cal pistol shot from the hip. No chance at hitting the target but, HEY, I did my best. POWDERMAN. 

[nomosendero]

I sure understand the lessor of 2 evils argument (who doesn't by now) , principled vote , striving to uphold the Constitution and all those things have validity when properly applied. "Applied" as in making at least an attempt to gain a result and not a mere ego stroking.
 
However, we have people flapping their jaws without anything to go on, as far a third Party is concerned. Instead of "lessor of 2 evils" it could be lessor of all 3 or more evils, since the third Party person is unknown at this point & could be worse than Romney (zero chance of being worse than Obama). So to say what you will do now may be a little pre-mature, yea we get it that Romney is sorry.   And to say a person is more Conservative because he will vote for a yet unknown person while others aren't committed to to this line of thought as a certainty is goofy.
 
Let's see who emerges if anybody.

[scootrd]

third Party person is unknown at this point & could be worse than Romney (zero chance of being worse than Obama). 

Nobody could be worse than Romney as the Rep candidate.

Stick to your guns, "If you believe in something, no matter what,
"'Cause it's better to be hated for who you are, Than be loved for who you're not".

"Fight your fights, find a grace, In all the things that you can change",
"And help somebody if you can,  And get right with the Man".

                          - Van Zant

As for me I'll stick with my write in.

Semper FI

[nomosendero]

third Party person is unknown at this point & could be worse than Romney (zero chance of being worse than Obama). 

Nobody could be worse than Romney as the Rep candidate.

Stick to your guns, "If you believe in something, no matter what,
"'Cause it's better to be hated for who you are, Than be loved for who you're not".

"Fight your fights, find a grace, In all the things that you can change",
"And help somebody if you can,  And get right with the Man".

                        - Van Zant

As for me I'll stick with my write in.

Semper FI

It's a given that he is the worst of the Republicans as I have said over & over.
Point is, others could be even worse as 3rd Party choices, ah in keeping with the subject of this thread, or if a person chooses to write in Elmer Fudd, which would be for their own gratification & certainly no accomplishiment.
 

[rio grande]

 
"It's a given that he is the worst of the Republicans as I have said over & over.
Point is, others could be even worse as 3rd Party choices, ah in keeping with the subject of this thread, or if a person chooses to write in Elmer Fudd, which would be for their own gratification & certainly no accomplishiment."................


Elmer Fudd?  I'd vote for him before I'd vote for Romney.  At least Elmer is good on guns.

[Cuts Crooked]

It's a given that he is the worst of the Republicans as I have said over & over.
Point is, others could be even worse as 3rd Party choices, ah in keeping with the subject of this thread, or if a person chooses to write in Elmer Fudd, which would be for their own gratification & certainly no accomplishiment.

That's as good a reason as any for voting against your priniciples...a bit cowardly, but it'll do for some I suppose.

[nomosendero]

It's a given that he is the worst of the Republicans as I have said over & over.
Point is, others could be even worse as 3rd Party choices, ah in keeping with the subject of this thread, or if a person chooses to write in Elmer Fudd, which would be for their own gratification & certainly no accomplishiment.

That's as good a reason as any for voting against your priniciples...a bit cowardly, but it'll do for some I suppose.

You calling me a coward dude? 

[Cuts Crooked]

It's a given that he is the worst of the Republicans as I have said over & over.
Point is, others could be even worse as 3rd Party choices, ah in keeping with the subject of this thread, or if a person chooses to write in Elmer Fudd, which would be for their own gratification & certainly no accomplishiment.

That's as good a reason as any for voting against your priniciples...a bit cowardly, but it'll do for some I suppose.

You calling me a coward dude?

<shrug> Why?.... is that worse than being called an Obama supporter because one has prinicples and won't vote the gestopo party line?........Dude.
 
Actually what I wrote was that voting against your priniciples is a bit cowardly. 
But one who believes that voting for someone who is a socialistic gun grabber is an action within ones principles, then obviously they are not voting against thier priniciples.    

"Principles are tough to live with, but without them one is no more than a slave!"

[mcwoodduck]

I'm sure RP is the candidate that some people want, and I would vote for him if nominated.
however, obama would beat him in the debates.  he is ONE issue. audit the fed......
when asked tough questions, he comes very close to losing his temper. hardly presidential.....

Probably more "presidential" than flip flopping constantly and supporting anti constitutional gun laws and socialistic policies. But hey!!!! Who's worried about what a candidates past actions were? After all......he SAYS he's.................
 

"Principles are tough to live with, but without them you are no more than a slave."

Ron Paul and his NEO CONs talk a good game.  I have said a few times that if Dr Paul had pulled the support of the people I will vote for him.  He scares the heck out of me.  But he is not OBAMA.
You may see Obama and Mitt as the same.  Mitt scares me too but not as bad as Obama and his wanting to kill our country.
I see that Obama does not see the constitution as a a limit to governemnt power he sees it as toilet paper.
I live in Ca and a majority of the sheep here are going to vote Obama and my vote agaist him is not going to matter much.
If your vote can make a difference then use it.
Mitt may add a few socialists to the Supreme court but Obama will appoint RADICALS that do not see the constitution as an impedement to thier designs.
And I do not understand the Paul supporters unwilling ness to understand that not everyone want him.  Had he not had his strange forgien policy I too would be a paul supporter.  Has he not learned from History that Truman made and the North Koreans jumped on.  The Islamofacists and Chinese will jump on Pauls forgien policy and attack us and our allies.  The islamofacists will attack us all over the globe and Isreal.  The Chinese will attack Tiawan and probably the Philipines becoming the Japanese Empire of the 21st century.
 
 

[Cuts Crooked]

Ron Paul and his NEO CONs talk a good game.  I have said a few times that if Dr Paul had pulled the support of the people I will vote for him.  He scares the heck out of me.  But he is not OBAMA.
You may see Obama and Mitt as the same.  Mitt scares me too but not as bad as Obama and his wanting to kill our country.
I see that Obama does not see the constitution as a a limit to governemnt power he sees it as toilet paper.
I live in Ca and a majority of the sheep here are going to vote Obama and my vote agaist him is not going to matter much.
If your vote can make a difference then use it.
Mitt may add a few socialists to the Supreme court but Obama will appoint RADICALS that do not see the constitution as an impedement to thier designs.
And I do not understand the Paul supporters unwilling ness to understand that not everyone want him.  Had he not had his strange forgien policy I too would be a paul supporter.  Has he not learned from History that Truman made and the North Koreans jumped on.  The Islamofacists and Chinese will jump on Pauls forgien policy and attack us and our allies.  The islamofacists will attack us all over the globe and Isreal.  The Chinese will attack Tiawan and probably the Philipines becoming the Japanese Empire of the 21st century.

Lol!! I find it fascinating that refere to Paul as a Neocon. Have you looked up the definition of that yet?
 
Irrespective, I understand your being scared of him, living truely free and under the precepts of our Constitution, as intended by the founders, is a frightening prospect for those who are used to living in the nanny state that our once great nation has become. Regarding his foreign policy and your concerns about "islamofacists" and the Chinese, one has to face the facts that their current beef with the US is the result of foreign policy that has interefered in their lives. The U.S. has stuck it's nose in other nations business for so long that the sheep have come to believe that it's the normal state of affairs and always has been. Perhaps it's time to see if a constitutional attitude can change that. We are currently seeing calls for the US to get out of the mess in the middle east and bring our troops home, from Americans from all walks of life. Personally I look at recent history, say from about the end of WWll, and cannot see where our meddling has won us any friends. Or even advanced the cause of freedom around the world. Some point to the fall of the former Soviet Union as a mark of such success. Fortunately that was achieved without a war being fought on foreign soil by American troops.
 
Again, freedom is scarey, but one can learn to live under it, obviously our forefathers did.
 
BTW, I am NOT convinced that Mitt is the lessor of two evils.......he may well be the worst and I absolutely do not trust him. When that man starts doing the crappie we have no idea where he will flip/flop too next......Now THAT's a scarey thought!

[jimster]

The Islamofacists and Chinese will jump on Pauls foriegn policy and attack us and our allies.  The islamofacists will attack us all over the globe and Isreal.

And your answer to that is what?  Sending our troops all over the world to "police" areas and kill them over decades?  I have to go with Ron Paul on foreign policy, if you have to go to war, turn the place to dust and win it fast or don't go at all.  I do not agree with your foreign policy, we have a loved one in the Kunduz province now, a crap hole with nothing to win, and he already spent a year in Iraq and told us straight out there was nothing to win there either.  Now we are in Africa, another crap hole, Syria or Iran next?   You say if we don't they will attack us, they already have attacked us while we police the world, and they are already here.  You won't turn it to dust, but you send troops to walk around with rubber bullets and rules of engagement that would make an enemy laugh.  I would have to say the republican half ass ed war foreign war policy pretty much fails the test of any logic. 

To me it's more than voting against Obama, yes he is the worst, but it could be I am voting against some of you as well now as well as Obama,  you may want to take that into consideration too.  We got skin in the game on this foreign policy of policing the world with rubber bullets.

[scootrd]

Mitt may add a few socialists to the Supreme court but Obama will appoint RADICALS that do not see the constitution as an impedement to thier designs.

And you view the Citizens United Ruling handed down by presiding Justices as not Radical in design?
But hey who am I to stand in the way of funneling money through Corps and Superpacs to buy our
country's presidency.  Doors open China .. Feel free.

As Mitt would say Corporations are People too my friend. I'm truly Speechless.

[nomosendero]

It's a given that he is the worst of the Republicans as I have said over & over.
Point is, others could be even worse as 3rd Party choices, ah in keeping with the subject of this thread, or if a person chooses to write in Elmer Fudd, which would be for their own gratification & certainly no accomplishiment.

That's as good a reason as any for voting against your priniciples...a bit cowardly, but it'll do for some I suppose.

You calling me a coward dude?

<shrug> Why?.... is that worse than being called an Obama supporter because one has prinicples and won't vote the gestopo party line?........Dude.
 
Actually what I wrote was that voting against your priniciples is a bit cowardly. 
But one who believes that voting for someone who is a socialistic gun grabber is an action within ones principles, then obviously they are not voting against thier priniciples.    

"Principles are tough to live with, but without them one is no more than a slave!"

They aren't that tough to live with for me, can't speak for you, but some speak a little more boldly when on the net, comes easy that way, but would not happen in person, dude.
 
Problem with your statement is I haven't voted for anyone yet, so I havn't voted against my principles. We will not have our primary here yet, that vote will be for Paul or Santorum, likely Santorum. What happens after that will depend on if a real 3rd Party Candidate exists, but I won't write Mickey Mouse on a sheet of paper and throw it in the river so I can give myself high fives.
 
You seem to be of a mindset that anyone who does not handle the matter as you would, then they either aren't really Conservative, UnAmerican or a coward, even thou you said you voted for the "lessor of 2 evils" in the past. Were you Un American at that time?
 
Again, let's see what's out there in a month or 2, makes more sense that mouthing off about what I will do right now.

[Cuts Crooked]

They aren't that tough to live with for me, can't speak for you, but some speak a little more boldly when on the net, comes easy that way, but would not happen in person, dude. You might be surprized...Dude. I'm almost 60 years old and spent the past thirty of them dealing with "toughs" on a near daily basis. I don't have a problem speaking my mind anywhere.

Problem with your statement is I haven't voted for anyone yet, so I havn't voted against my principles. We will not have our primary here yet, that vote will be for Paul or Santorum, likely Santorum. What happens after that will depend on if a real 3rd Party Candidate exists, but I won't write Mickey Mouse on a sheet of paper and throw it in the river so I can give myself high fives. Ok, you have your own priniciples, never said you didn't. I just don't agree with them.

You seem to be of a mindset that anyone who does not handle the matter as you would, then they either aren't really Conservative, UnAmerican or a coward. That speaks volumes about YOUR perception of others. My mindset it to cast a vote based on principles instead of selling out. I realize that not everyone feels this way, which is kinda sad and has gotten us to the predicament we are in now.
 
even thou you said you voted for the "lessor of 2 evils" in the past. Were you Un American at that time? Nope! I was uninformed and uneducated enough to believe that voting for the lesser of two evils could actually make a differnece. I've learned that it doesn't.....in fact it doesn't even delay the inevitable.

Again, let's see what's out there in a month or 2, makes more sense that mouthing off about what I will do right now. Makes sense! Better than accusing others of giving thier vote to Obama because they won't fall into lock step with the GOP nominee.

[nomosendero]

They aren't that tough to live with for me, can't speak for you, but some speak a little more boldly when on the net, comes easy that way, but would not happen in person, dude. You might be surprized...Dude. I'm almost 60 years old and spent the past thirty of them dealing with "toughs" on a near daily basis. I don't have a problem speaking my mind anywhere.

Problem with your statement is I haven't voted for anyone yet, so I havn't voted against my principles. We will not have our primary here yet, that vote will be for Paul or Santorum, likely Santorum. What happens after that will depend on if a real 3rd Party Candidate exists, but I won't write Mickey Mouse on a sheet of paper and throw it in the river so I can give myself high fives. Ok, you have your own priniciples, never said you didn't. I just don't agree with them.

You seem to be of a mindset that anyone who does not handle the matter as you would, then they either aren't really Conservative, UnAmerican or a coward. That speaks volumes about YOUR perception of others. My mindset it to cast a vote based on principles instead of selling out. I realize that not everyone feels this way, which is kinda sad and has gotten us to the predicament we are in now.
 
even thou you said you voted for the "lessor of 2 evils" in the past. Were you Un American at that time? Nope! I was uninformed and uneducated enough to believe that voting for the lesser of two evils could actually make a differnece. I've learned that it doesn't.....in fact it doesn't even delay the inevitable.

Again, let's see what's out there in a month or 2, makes more sense that mouthing off about what I will do right now. Makes sense! Better than accusing others of giving thier vote to Obama because they won't fall into lock step with the GOP nominee.

Dealing with "toughs" is a relative thing it appears, but we agree on most at least.
No, my perception was not a perception, but going from what you have said in previous posts about others.
 
Let's just say we are both disgusted with remaining choices whether we deal with it the same way or not & be done with it.Lets do that! Lets keep it on topic and not who's the toughest good old boy on the www.We all have an opinion, and that's all it is.......If we cannot agree, then we need to respectfully disagree...................(Respectfully) MOD.