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A witness speaks out about the travon martin shooting.
« on: March 25, 2012, 03:42:27 AM »
Witness counters Trayvon Martin media narrative Says 17-year-old was beating Zimmerman before shootingPublished: 13 hours ago   trayvon_martin_hoodie Maybe George Zimmerman did act in self-defense when he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, whose death Feb. 26 in Sanford, Florida, has been the focus of a media and political circus that even included Barack Obama weighing in this week.
An eyewitness to the incident told police Martin was beating Zimmerman before he shot him.
     Zimmerman had called 911 to report the suspicious activities of a youth in his neighborhood, telling the dispatcher that he was following Martin.
On the recording of another 911 call, repeated cries of “help” can be heard before the gunshot.
The witness, identified only as John, says those cries were made by Zimmerman who was on the ground being beaten by Martin.
“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help … and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.
Martin was wearing a gray hoodie, while Zimmerman was wearing red.
“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.
Zimmerman claimed the shooting was self-defense. Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen. Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.
Meanwhile, the attack has been portrayed by most media outlets as a racist, vigilante-style assault by Zimmerman – a half-Hispanic, half-white, self-style neighborhood crime-watch captain – on an innocent role-model black teen-ager carrying only a cell phone and some Skittles.
Obama weighed in on the shooting Friday, saying the incident requires all Americans to “do some soul searching.”
“When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids,” he said. “I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative to investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together – federal, state and local – to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened. But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin: If I had a son he’d look like Trayvon. And I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are gonna take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we’re going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”
GOP presidential contender Newt Gingrich called those remarks “disgraceful” and divisive.
“What the president said in a sense is disgraceful,” he said. “It’s not a question of who that young man looked like. Any young American of any ethnic background should be safe period. We should all be horrified no matter what the ethnic background. Is the president suggesting that if it had been a white who had been shot that would be OK because it didn’t look like him?”
He added that it’s “just nonsense dividing this country up. It is a tragedy this young man was shot. It would have been a tragedy if he had been Puerto Rican or Cuban or if he had been white or if he had been Asian American of if he’d been a Native American. At some point we ought to talk about being Americans. When things go wrong to an American, it is sad for all Americans. Trying to turn it into a racial issue is fundamentally wrong. I really find it appalling.”
The U.S. Justice Department has opened an investigation of the incident. There have been threats on the life of the Sanford police chief. The Black Panthers have offered a $10,000 bounty for Zimmerman’s “capture”. Most media accounts of the story suggest Martin was walking down the street minding his own business when he was shot without provocation by Zimmerman
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 03:51:13 AM »
there was a link to his story last night, I e-mailed it to my wife who sits beside me with her computer and she played it.  sounds plausible.  we'll see what the grand-jury does with it.
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2012, 03:52:45 AM »
The news media leans towards guilt of Zimmerman. There fore Zimmerman is guilty. I am sure there is alot to the story the media isn't saying. I am sure there is alot of facts not known in the case. This is why there is an investigation, why grand jurys are convened and why Presidents and candidates should stay out of these things.
Anytime a citizen is killed there should be an investigation first. Not trial by media or politicians.

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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2012, 04:12:48 AM »
Seems that obama is quick to criticize and comments when it concerns blacks. It's really none of his business. A black teen wearing a hoodie was killed, that automatically makes the killer a BG. Had it been a knife that was used it would not have been a big deal, but since it was a GUN, oh my. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: A witness speaks out about the travon martin shooting.
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2012, 04:28:33 AM »
Looks like just another black that's being used as an excuse to agitate by the race hustlers like Sharpton and Obama. Fundamentally this is just a local issue, and our legal system is robust enough that this doesn't need to immediately escalate to the federal level.

This looks like a federal over reach that attempts to make virtually white on black violence a federal hate crime.

I found it amusing, and a little disturbing, that in main stream news stories Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the black panthers, organized protesters, and Barack Obama are referenced in the same short paragraphs and in the same contexts. There is no attempt to distance the president from these others.

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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2012, 04:39:12 AM »
Does anyone really think there would be anything from the president, or the news media if it had been a white kid shot by a black guy?  The only thing the shooter in this incident has going for him is that he is not all white.
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2012, 05:13:33 AM »
Obama weighed in on the shooting Friday,saying: "If I had a son he’d look like Trayvon".

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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2012, 07:06:19 AM »
This isn't the first time that Obama has Butt in before all the FACTS were presented. Remember the white police officer that arrested the Havard University professor in Cambridge Mass.  Obama blamed the Police Department before he heard any of the facts in the case.
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2012, 08:03:37 AM »
have always said there is more to this than is being reported.  There must be a reason the police did not arrest the guy that night.  The bias media did not report all the facts or something.
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2012, 08:42:40 AM »
have always said there is more to this than is being reported.  There must be a reason the police did not arrest the guy that night.
there may well be more. What we've gotten so far seems pretty grim, and just the sort of thing to be used to undermine 2nd Amendment/armed defense rights.


So far as the racial angle goes... we don't need to make black people feel like it's them against armed whites, or give any ammo to the jerkoffs in the press who'd like to fan that a bit. We're got enough armed racists around, no need to make it look like we're all that.
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2012, 09:22:42 AM »
It doesn't matter what happened!
A black has been shot!
Let the riots and looting begin.
 
 

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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2012, 10:14:00 AM »
The president called this shooting, "tragic."  Every day in this country, every day, there are black Americans shot and killed by other black Americans.  Apparently, Sharpton, Jackson, Farakan, and the Prez don't find that "tragic," at least they choose to not make it an issue.  Or is it just that there is no money to be made or votes to be acquired by doing so?

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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2012, 10:26:03 AM »
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Saw this a day or two ago.  We need to see the pictures of bloodied Zimmerman wherever he is. "John'' will eventually have to come out  and swear an oath to tell the truth. This might mean Zimmerman gets charged with manslaughter, if charged at all. GB Posters would do well to review legal definition of self defense, which directly implies your can only use force insomuch as required to repell attacker or prevent injury.  I might think that would include the situation where one is down and being beaten bloody.  Than there's the fact that the shooting occurred after Zimmerman was allegedly beaten.   Granted, I am not very familiar with this, but I did NOT see that in the OP.  What I read there was that this guy was on the ground being beaten and then shortly later, the attacker was down from a gunshot. So this might turn out to be an interesting case .
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2012, 12:10:42 PM »
And now we learn that Zimmerman has mentored black kids and raised money to build a church for blacks.....sounds like a serious racsist, huh? ::)

And the Black panthers are offering a reward for him >:(

http://news.yahoo.com/10-000-reward-offered-us-black-teens-killer-201659364.html
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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2012, 01:48:04 PM »
And now we learn that Zimmerman has mentored black kids and raised money to build a church for blacks.....sounds like a serious racsist, huh? ::)

And the Black panthers are offering a reward for him >:(

http://news.yahoo.com/10-000-reward-offered-us-black-teens-killer-201659364.html

 
So there has been a warrant issued for Zimmerman's arrest? Because if there isnt one "capturing" him would be kidnapping.
 
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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2012, 01:49:43 PM »


http://news.yahoo.com/10-000-reward-offered-us-black-teens-killer-201659364.html

 
So there has been a warrant issued for Zimmerman's arrest? Because if there isnt one "capturing" him would be kidnapping.


Did you read the link I provided? ::)
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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2012, 01:53:18 PM »
It doesn't matter what happened!
A black has been shot!
Let the riots and looting begin.
If the grand-jury doesn't indict him, it'll get interesting.
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2012, 02:10:15 PM »
Well the black panthers have issued  a $10,000.00 wanted dead or alive poster.
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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2012, 02:34:07 PM »
Well the black panthers have issued  a $10,000.00 wanted dead or alive poster.


You mean this one?
http://news.yahoo.com/10-000-reward-offered-us-black-teens-killer-201659364.html


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The New Black Panther Party displayed a wanted poster on its website with a picture of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot Trayvon Martin, 17, last month.
"WANTED!!! For the murder of Trayvon Martin... ALIVE, not dead or harmed," the poster read.

Well, that's not nearly as dramatic as 'dead or alive...'
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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2012, 04:00:19 PM »
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Well, that's not nearly as dramatic as 'dead or alive...'

 
 
 
 
Yep.  Offering cash for someone's kidnapping is much more palatable.   ::)
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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2012, 11:49:54 PM »
Those I saw said "Dead or Alive."
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2012, 12:46:05 AM »
http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/witness-trayvon-martin-attacked-zimmerman/
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2012, 01:06:50 AM »
   Another case of a "Rush to Judgement" perhaps ?
      http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-attorney-friend-speak-trayvon-martin-incident/story?id=15999256
 
   Perhaps Zimmerman is not as bad as he has been painted..
  http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-friend-idUSBRE82O0FE20120325
 
   Now her's a group the Atty Gen'l should investigate. Since when have private hate groups been empowered to put a "bounty" on the heads of private citizens; or been allowed to drive voters away from the polls ? 
   http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-panther-rage-10g-capture-trayvon-killer-article-1.1050370
 
   The feds went after Randy Weaver's family and David Koresh, then murdered people in each case, with far less evidence....
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  As far as, " We need to see the pictures of bloodied Zimmerman wherever he is."  Balderdash! We don't need to see it...but the jury or juries involved should and likely will, see them..perhaps some scars also..and likely attending physician's testimonies.
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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2012, 01:27:41 AM »
The storyline here, about 55 miles from Sanford;  A rally of 4,000 supporters of the family listened as the family's hired lawyer spoke to the crowd (broadcast live on nearly all AM radio and some TV channels live with limited commercial interruption).  He later introduced Lewis Farakan, who had traveled to Sanford on the evening of the news of his own Mother's death to speak to this crowd. 

It was startling to my ears to hear how race-based educated each man sounded, underlying the larger stage of the backgrounds from which they were raised, as they spoke to the assembled people.  The rhetoric used, the power-fisted mantra, but not an incitement to inflame, as the speakers were clearly asking for reason and not reaction to allow the system to work as it was intended.  Have to really give them credit for that.  They could have easily unleased the dogs of civil unrest. 

I found myself asking out loud if this was the BEST that America could do, with all of its vast resources, that segments of our society remain totally improverished (a fundamental function of the Nanny State), incredibly under-educatedand, and pliable to the words and actions of the speaker.  Lewis' was an impassioned speech with an underlying message of "No Justice.  No Peace".  He said he would not rest until Zimmerman was arrested, charged, tried, convicted, and incarsurated for the murder of Trayvon Martin.

So, the Court of Public Opinion has been whipped into a frenzy and is ready to lash out in all directions if their measure of "justice" isn't handed down.  How ironic, isn't it, that injustice against all races occurs with alarming frequency in America, yet only this races' community seems all to willing, and all the time at the ready, to tear the fabric of this country in two.  How ironic, not unlike the Bedouins (modern Arabic Nomadic Tribes - strictly Islamic), that our Black Community hasn't really entered the 21st Centruy?  The reactions of these two diverse and completely socio-economically separated groups is nearly identical.   Hmmmmm...Food for Thought in that.

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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2012, 01:46:16 AM »
With all the threats of disruption and "civil disobedience" (read, rioting)..I am beginning to doubt this will result in a trial seeking the truth.  It may result in a trial seeking "peace at any price"..politicians tend to go that way !
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 BLACK PANTHERS OFFER BOUNTY  The New Black Panther Party has offered a $10,000 reward for the 'capture' of George Zimmerman.

The group's leader Mikhail Muhammad said the bounty was 'an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth'. 


At a rally for slain teenager Trayvon Martin, the Black Panthers called for 10,000 black men to hunt down Zimmerman, Martin's shooter who has not been charged over the killing.

Mr Muhammad said at the gathering in Sanford that his group was planning to apprehend the killer itself.

 
'If the government won't do the job, we'll do it,' he said. 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2119615/Trayvon-Martin-case-Anonymous-witness-claims-teen-attacked-killer-George-Zimmerman-fatal-shooting.html#ixzz1qDpdlSUD
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« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2012, 01:53:10 AM »
I've got a feeling that there will more deaths before this is over.
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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2012, 01:56:06 AM »
I see they are wearing hoodie style sweatshirts as a solidariity symbol. Too bad they didn't choose those baggy pants that show the underwear instead. It would make a funnier sight at a protest rally.


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« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2012, 04:33:21 AM »
This could be the spark that sets off "the great race war."  Time to lock and load.
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« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2012, 04:50:12 AM »
From TM;
  " Actually, when the governmnet fails to act or do its job....the govt hasn't failed, the investigation is barely started ! then the 'militia' is obligated to step in and act. Yup! The militia is OBLIGATED to act when the militia leader deems it necessary..(besides, who designated the BPS as "militia"?) Media has come out spinning Zimmerman as a good guy and Trayvon as a 'hoodie'  Not the way most see it.. we are just now getting "the rest of the story'.The Blaze (what's his name from FOXy, Glenn Beck) says Trayvon was a criminal since he was late for school on occassions and had to stay late;;;but now Zimmerman is a good guy helping to build schools and nevermind his few assault and menacing charges. Neither are 'squeaky clean' and we will all learn more soon..  Somebody is deliberately building a race war... Couldn't be Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan & the Black Panthers, could it ?...and remember all those recent fascist Bills and Edicts Bush Jr. and Obmam have enaacted / signed.  No, but I recall some anti-constitution bills , some by Bush and many more by Obammy..
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Another fact is if Trayvon and Zimmerman had an altercation and Zimmerman got a bloody nose,,,there is still no legal provocation for stalking the kid and shooting 5 to 10 minutes later if that's what happened, especially since PD tapes told him to back off. Did he back off first, or get attacked first? So, we citizen investigators need the timeline between the alleged unnamed wittness claiming Zimmerman was attacked and when the kid got one shot in the chest.  It is obvious we need a lot more information than we do have, before we are ready to "string 'em up" !
Personally, I doubt the veracity of the anomynous 'John" guy claiming there was a fight, because black 140lb hoodies don't mix it up with chunky 250lb white guys Why is color inserted here? brandishing a hand gun...they prefer to gang up on their prey."
  Give it a break, the grand jury will get full info..then if not too intimidated one way or the other, they will render a fair decision.  Let's hear them out..
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  TM;
   I must say, I am surprised by your demigog-dialog above, simply because you usually try to use reason to convince others..even if it is your own brand of reason.
    While many here are saying, "let's wait for more facts to come in and let the law operate", you are going on here with a diatribe that so extremely biased and one-sided, it could easily have come out of the mouth of Al Sharpton or Calypso Louis Farrakhan..
 
  While most here admit that we don't have all the information (obvious) you already have the guy convicted and sentenced !
  Sit down, take a deep breath..and check your BP....
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If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: A witness speaks out about the travon martin shooting.
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2012, 05:01:12 AM »
This could be the spark that sets off "the great race war."  Time to lock and load.
they've been wanting it.   however, we have a black neighbor who is a wonderful lady and we'll bring her to our house if necessary to protect her.
the next town north of us is full of black militants who will have to be dealt with.
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