Sixth Anniversary of the signing of RomneyCare

[Doublebass73]

I'll agree that we're all guilty of beating this dead horse quite a bit.

Duk summed it up nicely so I have a challenge question for the "real conservatives" here to hopefully add something new to the discussion.

Can any of you give examples of why you consider yourself a principled conservative even though you're willing to vote for a candidate with a very liberal past including baby killing, gun control and socialist healthcare?

Leaving the "anybody but Obama" mantra out of the discussion why do you personally still consider yourself a conservative when you're willing to vote for someone as liberal as Romney? Shouldn't you now at least call yourself a moderate?

[nomosendero]

I'll agree that we're all guilty of beating this dead horse quite a bit.

Duk summed it up nicely so I have a challenge question for the "real conservatives" here to hopefully add something new to the discussion.

Can any of you give examples of why you consider yourself a principled conservative even though you're willing to vote for a candidate with a very liberal past including baby killing, gun control and socialist healthcare?

Leaving the "anybody but Obama" mantra out of the discussion why do you personally still consider yourself a conservative when you're willing to vote for someone as liberal as Romney? Shouldn't you now at least call yourself a moderate?

Principled is great, principled & logical with a plan is better.
So DB, who is your 3rd Party choice & what's the plan, maybe we can all make it happen. How bout it? Time is slipping by & Romney is a dip. Tell me about an alternate we can build on.
thanks

[Cuts Crooked]

 
Hunter. Are we to understand that you refuse to do everything legal to rid America of the obamination in the whitehouse?? You would rather support someone who has no chance of winning and therefore deprive the only candidate that has a chance to win of your vote?? In so many words, that seems to be exactly what you are saying. Yep, that'll teach em a lesson. Go figger. POWDERMAN. 

Kinda like the "plan" to vote for a socialist gun grabber, in an attempt to defeat a socialist gun grabber. (Who, BTW, has no chance of winning)

[nomosendero]

 
Hunter. Are we to understand that you refuse to do everything legal to rid America of the obamination in the whitehouse?? You would rather support someone who has no chance of winning and therefore deprive the only candidate that has a chance to win of your vote?? In so many words, that seems to be exactly what you are saying. Yep, that'll teach em a lesson. Go figger. POWDERMAN. 

Kinda like the "plan" to vote for a socialist gun grabber, in an attempt to defeat a socialist gun grabber. (Who, BTW, has no chance of winning)

Who has that "plan" CC ?

[powderman]

CUTS. I don't like romney either, I do believe Santorum is a better choice, and both are Americans, but obummer must go, yes, A B O, anybody but obama. To not vote for the rep nominee is simply saying that we are content with obummers change. POWDERMAN. 

[Cuts Crooked]

Kinda like the "plan" to vote for a socialist gun grabber, in an attempt to defeat a socialist gun grabber. (Who, BTW, has no chance of winning)

Who has that "plan" CC ?


Nomo, If you can't figure that one out, nothing I write will help you understand.

CUTS. I don't like romney either, I do believe Santorum is a better choice, and both are Americans, but obummer must go, yes, A B O, anybody but obama. To not vote for the rep nominee is simply saying that we are content with obummers change. POWDERMAN. 

Not content, my friend. Rather, I see it as inevitable due to the cowardice of the "conservatives" who refuse to even consider voting for a true change back to our constitutional roots.

Much as I don't like what what is coming I fully understand it! Too many "conservatives" are terrified of living truely free under the constitution as intended by those who wrote that document......it means taking responsibility for ones self, a scarey thought for those who have been feeding at the trough! So they make any excuse to avoid doing the right thing and supporting someone who actually supports the constitution.

I see the only hope now being the remote possibility that we can survive another four.....then maybe the Republicans will have learned..........but ya know what.....I doubt it!

[nomosendero]

Kinda like the "plan" to vote for a socialist gun grabber, in an attempt to defeat a socialist gun grabber. (Who, BTW, has no chance of winning)

Who has that "plan" CC ?


Nomo, If you can't figure that one out, nothing I write will help you understand.

CUTS. I don't like romney either, I do believe Santorum is a better choice, and both are Americans, but obummer must go, yes, A B O, anybody but obama. To not vote for the rep nominee is simply saying that we are content with obummers change. POWDERMAN. 

Not content, my friend. Rather, I see it as inevitable due to the cowardice of the "conservatives" who refuse to even consider voting for a true change back to our constitutional roots.

Much as I don't like what what is coming I fully understand it! Too many "conservatives" are terrified of living truely free under the constitution as intended by those who wrote that document......it means taking responsibility for ones self, a scarey thought for those who have been feeding at the trough! So they make any excuse to avoid doing the right thing and supporting someone who actually supports the constitution.

I see the only hope now being the remote possibility that we can survive another four.....then maybe the Republicans will have learned..........but ya know what.....I doubt it!

CC, instead of who, I should have asked "who all". I was not sure if you were hinting I was in the same mindset.
I said it before, I don't see how I can vote fopr Romney. Paul is gone now as far as any real chance. I will not say I won't vote for Santorum, as he still has a small chance.
 
The point is we are running out of time for alternative choices & if something different can be done, it must be now. You don't have a solution, but neither do I or the ones that say so often we aren't doing the lessor of 2 evil thing.
 
So right now we are nowhere with this.

[Doublebass73]

Principled is great, principled & logical with a plan is better.
So DB, who is your 3rd Party choice & what's the plan, maybe we can all make it happen. How bout it? Time is slipping by & Romney is a dip. Tell me about an alternate we can build on.
thanks

Unfortunately I won't be able to choose my 3rd party candidate until all the nominations are in. Right now everything is up the air with the Reps, Libertarians and Constitution party. I wish I had a good alternative to "anybody but Romney" but with Ron Paul so far back in the mix I don't.

[Cuts Crooked]

CC, instead of who, I should have asked "who all". I was not sure if you were hinting I was in the same mindset.
I said it before, I don't see how I can vote fopr Romney. Paul is gone now as far as any real chance. I will not say I won't vote for Santorum, as he still has a small chance.
 
The point is we are running out of time for alternative choices & if something different can be done, it must be now. You don't have a solution, but neither do I or the ones that say so often we aren't doing the lessor of 2 evil thing.
 

Ah, you have an inkling my friend. The answer in is in your response above.....and for now the best advise I can give you is to vote your conscience.

Me? I will vote my principles! I have done enough things in my life that I don't feel good about. I don't need to increase that side of the scales. To vote for a man I loath in order to beat a man I loath would make me a lesser person in my own eyes. And there is really no assurance that Romney would be one iota better than Obama......remember to always look at what a politician has done, not at what he says he'll do. Looking at it that way, I'm not sure that Romney is a lesser evil at all!

Obama will probably win this time, but don't let it be on your conscience. By making a principled choice at the ballot box, you still have an impact of sorts......perhaps the next time around the GOP will not forget their base, without whom they cannot win. In their mad quest for ABO they have blindly gashed at their own throat, forgetting the true meaning of freedom......and our Constitutional basis.

[powderman]

By making a principled choice at the ballot box, you still have an impact of sorts......

 
Problem with that is that it keeps an unprincipled illegal kenyan in office. POWDERMAN. 

[Cuts Crooked]

By making a principled choice at the ballot box, you still have an impact of sorts......

 
Problem with that is that it keeps an unprincipled illegal kenyan in office. POWDERMAN. 

Perhaps, but then it wouldn't make a difference, except to me, if I voted for Romney, he can't beat O'boy at his own game........and that's exactly what he is trying to do!

"To thine own self be true".........Hmmm? If I cannot be true to myself, what do think I will do to YOU when the chance presents itself.......sounds like a good start on liberalism to me!

[nomosendero]

CC, instead of who, I should have asked "who all". I was not sure if you were hinting I was in the same mindset.
I said it before, I don't see how I can vote fopr Romney. Paul is gone now as far as any real chance. I will not say I won't vote for Santorum, as he still has a small chance.
 
The point is we are running out of time for alternative choices & if something different can be done, it must be now. You don't have a solution, but neither do I or the ones that say so often we aren't doing the lessor of 2 evil thing.
 

Ah, you have an inkling my friend. The answer in is in your response above.....and for now the best advise I can give you is to vote your conscience.

Me? I will vote my principles! I have done enough things in my life that I don't feel good about. I don't need to increase that side of the scales. To vote for a man I loath in order to beat a man I loath would make me a lesser person in my own eyes. And there is really no assurance that Romney would be one iota better than Obama......remember to always look at what a politician has done, not at what he says he'll do. Looking at it that way, I'm not sure that Romney is a lesser evil at all!

Obama will probably win this time, but don't let it be on your conscience. By making a principled choice at the ballot box, you still have an impact of sorts......perhaps the next time around the GOP will not forget their base, without whom they cannot win. In their mad quest for ABO they have blindly gashed at their own throat, forgetting the true meaning of freedom......and our Constitutional basis.

Yes, I have had an inkling from the start, some (not you) have missed the point I am trying to make here.
 
I think the GOP will forget their base again, the establishment side of the Republucan Party hates the Conservative side, Ron Paul, Evangelicals, Tea Party & the other fragments of the more Conservative. They planted McCain in a field of several (more Conservative) Candidates, knowing the Conservative vote would be fragmented. It worked that time, so they did it this time & it is working again. I partly blame the other Candidates too, I think a big ego goes along with running, but each one thought they could win at first & unwilling to see otherwise until it was too late & unwilling to consolidate & form a winning "PLAN", no it was me first in their minds.
 
I am a Conservative, not a Republican, so I am open to a 3rd Party Candidate if it is logical & well thought out, but again things will have to gel quick. I won't vote for an idiot without a winning statagy nor more than I would invest in a business if idiots are running the business. A person may feel "clean" or "moral", but it will count for nothing & will NEVER cause the Est. side of the Republicans to pick a Conservative.
 
But anyone who does not do what they can to stop an America hater from winning will have things to explain to their Grandkids that I won't have to endure.
 
So, good luck to all!!

[Doublebass73]

Happy Birthday Romneycare! XOXO - Obama Campaign
http://news.yahoo.com/happy-birthday-romneycare-xoxo-obama-campaign-145914377.html

[nomosendero]

Happy Birthday Romneycare! XOXO - Obama Campaign
http://news.yahoo.com/happy-birthday-romneycare-xoxo-obama-campaign-145914377.html

Bad day isn't it?

[Doublebass73]

Happy Birthday Romneycare! XOXO - Obama Campaign
http://news.yahoo.com/happy-birthday-romneycare-xoxo-obama-campaign-145914377.html

Bad day isn't it?

Yep, it's pretty sad when one Socialist can make the other Socialist look bad by pointing out his past Socialism 

[scootrd]

Just food for thought, Mitt Espouses none of these.

“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency or simply to swell its numbers.”—Ronald Reagan 1975

“Don’t give up your ideals, don’t compromise, don’t turn to expediency — and don’t, for heaven’s sake, having seen the inner workings of the watch — don’t get cynical.”—Ronald Reagan, 1976


“Principle Over Politics” means that we are calling on our fellow Americans to vote on the basis of the principles espoused and practiced by a candidate, rather than mere party affiliation or supposed political expediency.
  - Constitution Party of Washington


Do not let arguments of expediency persuade you. That is the slow road to oblivion. That is the tortured path to undoing step by step, bit by bit, as the river creates a canyon, the way of life that we love.
- Charles Schumer
 
The most useful thing about a principle is that it can always be sacrificed to expediency. 
- W. Somerset Maugham
 

When virtue is lost, benevolence appears, when benevolence is lost right conduct appears, when right conduct is lost, expedience appears. Expediency is the mere shadow of right and truth; it is the beginning of disorder.
- Lao Tzu
 

I was raised with those principals and values and ethics that came out of the men and women that served. But this generation doesn't quite know; they haven't been tested.  - Jack Scalia

Patriotism must be founded on great principals and supported by great virtue.  - Henry Bolingbroke
   
Dukillr summed it up perfectly
I obviously am on the side of voting my principals , as I can only affect what I can affect and will never again be forced into a false choice for political expediencies.

Semper Fi

[Cuts Crooked]

Just food for thought, Mitt Espouses none of these.

“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency or simply to swell its numbers.”—Ronald Reagan 1975

“Don’t give up your ideals, don’t compromise, don’t turn to expediency — and don’t, for heaven’s sake, having seen the inner workings of the watch — don’t get cynical.”—Ronald Reagan, 1976


“Principle Over Politics” means that we are calling on our fellow Americans to vote on the basis of the principles espoused and practiced by a candidate, rather than mere party affiliation or supposed political expediency.
  - Constitution Party of Washington


Do not let arguments of expediency persuade you. That is the slow road to oblivion. That is the tortured path to undoing step by step, bit by bit, as the river creates a canyon, the way of life that we love.
- Charles Schumer
 
The most useful thing about a principle is that it can always be sacrificed to expediency. 
- W. Somerset Maugham
  When virtue is lost, benevolence appears, when benevolence is lost right conduct appears, when right conduct is lost, expedience appears. Expediency is the mere shadow of right and truth; it is the beginning of disorder.
- Lao Tzu
 

I was raised with those principals and values and ethics that came out of the men and women that served. But this generation doesn't quite know; they haven't been tested.  - Jack Scalia

Patriotism must be founded on great principals and supported by great virtue.  - Henry Bolingbroke
 
Dukillr summed it up perfectly
I obviously am on the side of voting my principals , as I can only affect what I can affect and will never again be forced into a false choice for political expediencies.

Semper Fi

YES!!!!!!!!

I don't expect the "conservatives" here to get it, but the above is the only way we are ever going to achieve true freedom again.