jon boat deal ?

[buckweet]

Looking at a 16 foot semi-V jon boat....just boat. No motor 2200 dollars ..it 72 inches wide.
Dealer says he has a trailer for 300 ..... then tells me they are over stocked with motors...
Will sell me a 20 horse 4stroke brand new.  5 year warrenty....for a grand.tiller motor.
Says for 4900 he will sell me the whole works.....my arithmatic says thats 3500 ....
So he wants to charge me 1400 dollars to set it up? ?
Sumptin just aint rite with this.
what i guys think?
By the way im 4 miles from truman lake in missouri...its one huge lake...2400 ? Miles of shoreline ive heard?  All i know there's
Places u caint even see land.
A sixteen footer and 20hp be ok?
Weet

[streak]

buckweet,
 Have you done a search to see what a 20Hp 4 stroke new outboard goes for?
 It looks like you got $2500 tied up in the boat and trailer, so a actual price for the new motor needs to be found. Then you can see whether is a good deal or not!   
Maybe I`m missing something here, but where did you come up with $3500?               

[buckweet]

2500 for boat and trailer...1000 for motor.
Too me that adds up to 3500 .
So? You see why i cannot figger out how he comes ip with 4900 set up and out the door.
thats 1400 dollars just to hang a motor on a jon boat?
Weet

[buckweet]

buckweet,
 Have you done a search to see what a 20Hp 4 stroke new outboard goes for?
 It looks like you got $2500 tied up in the boat and trailer, so a actual price for the new motor needs to be found. Then you can see whether is a good deal or not!   
Maybe I`m missing something here, but where did you come up with $3500?               

No i havent?  But he priced the motor to me at a thousand.
My pop said thats good .. most sell for a hundred dollars a horse. Rule of thumb?
I will go 3500 for the rig ...but not 4900 .

I think thats way too high.
weet

[scootrd]

for help with your comparisons  -

http://www.edsmarinesuperstore.com/jonboatpkgs.htm

[SHOOTALL]

Back in the day a OB was $100.00 a HP. They are more now for a good one. Why don't you check out Basspro for their price ?

[SHOOTALL]

for help with your comparisons  -

http://www.edsmarinesuperstore.com/jonboatpkgs.htm

Keep in mind they move boats alot of boats , no warranty work . Cash or you pay more credit card . I got a boat there and its a deal until you need work under warranty .

[eye shot]

weet
If you can't see land don't be caught in a Jon boat, not enough free board and a storm can blow up quicker than you can make shore with a 20 hp = swamped!

[streak]

2500 for boat and trailer...1000 for motor.
Too me that adds up to 3500 .
So? You see why i cannot figger out how he comes ip with 4900 set up and out the door.
thats 1400 dollars just to hang a motor on a jon boat?
Weet

buckweet,
 I see where you come up with the $3500 now! Of course in your original post you did not say that he would sell you the motor for
$1000. So the total $4900 to me is somewhat excessive!

[Bigeasy]

$1000 for a new, 20hp four stroke outboard does not sound right.  Thats about the price of a two stroke 9.9 kicker.  The $4900 sounds about right considering what that motor should sell for.  New boat prices are out of sight.  I have a 20 foot deep V aluminum boat I bought back in 1987, complete with 60hp Merc and trailer for $8700 new.  The same rig now is about $18,000 new.  Set Up usually includes mounting the motor, fitting the trailer, a gas can and line, battery, and usually a coast guard kit (life preservers, a throwable, fire extinguisher, signal device, anchor).
 
I have spent a lot of time on lake Ontario trolling for trout and salmon in a 16 foot tin boat, sometimes in some pretty bad weather.  Tin boats are like beer cans, they tend to float high in the water.  But, as was posted earlier, high gunwales are important for rough weather.  There are "big" 16 footers, and "small" 16 footers.  You would be amazed what a boat can handle if the operator knows what he is doing.
 
A boat like you describe should be fine for most inland lakes.  The semi V will help with the chop.  Just use common sense, and invest in a cheap hand held Marine Radio for safety and weather updates / warnings.
 
Larry

[dukkillr]

Around truman you can just drive around the old 2 lane highways and shop for boats by looking people's yards.  If you see a chicken, a lawnmower, or concrete yard art you like it's available too! 
 
A good tight WELDED semi-v of the type you are talking about isn't a bad deal.  Solid running used motors can be found cheaper.  Aluminum boats run from extremely leaky and beat up to thick guage welded in like new condition, and the prices range with them from 300-20,000.  Throw us a bit more detail or a picture and it might help some.  And particularly in that neck of the woods, beware of a deal that seems too good.

[scootrd]

There are "big" 16 footers, and "small" 16 footers.   
Larry

So True !!!! and it doesn't take long to recognize the difference when your an active (captured ) participant 
Lakes can be much worse than oceans. Choppy swells that beat your kidneys to death heading back in.
Buy Boat and trailer , shop for a vintage motor separately. Classy!!!!

One of the most beautiful motors ever built 1957 Seahorse short shaft

[buckweet]

2500 for boat and trailer...1000 for motor.
Too me that adds up to 3500 .
So? You see why i cannot figger out how he comes ip with 4900 set up and out the door.
thats 1400 dollars just to hang a motor on a jon boat?
Weet

buckweet,
 I see where you come up with the $3500 now! Of course in your original post you did not say that he would sell you the motor for
$1000. So the total $4900 to me is somewhat excessive!

lol ....
Re-read my original post again....ha ....yes its there ...tiller motor for a grand.....(grand*1000 dollars) ....
Ill keep looking ....
Heck...ive got a sawmill .....maybe buy some plans.  And build my own boat.
I love the old school look of the new england dorys.
Just a thought.
Weet

[buckweet]

Around truman you can just drive around the old 2 lane highways and shop for boats by looking people's yards.  If you see a chicken, a lawnmower, or concrete yard art you like it's available too! 
 
A good tight WELDED semi-v of the type you are talking about isn't a bad deal.  Solid running used motors can be found cheaper.  Aluminum boats run from extremely leaky and beat up to thick guage welded in like new condition, and the prices range with them from 300-20,000.  Throw us a bit more detail or a picture and it might help
 some.  And particularly in that neck of the woods, beware of a deal that seems too good.

ya know whats funny?  We was just a day or two ago talking about getting some more chickins...
To get rid of the ticks in the yard.
Lol.
Weet

[buckweet]

Around truman you can just drive around the old 2 lane highways and shop for boats by looking people's yards.  If you see a chicken, a lawnmower, or concrete yard art you like it's available too! 
 
A good tight WELDED semi-v of the type you are talking about isn't a bad deal.  Solid running used motors can be found cheaper.  Aluminum boats run from extremely leaky and beat up to thick guage welded in like new condition, and the prices range with them from 300-20,000.  Throw us a bit more detail or a picture and it might help some.  And particularly in that neck of the woods, beware of a deal that seems too good.

its a 16 foot semi-V bottom boat. Standard model i thinks?  72 inches wide at the rear.
Whats bad about this is ..ived lived next to this lake for over 29 years.
only been on it a dozen times..
And wow! !!!
Youll never believe how lost you can get! !! Lol
wonder?  If they make a GPS for a lake?
Im not up very good on this modern world. Of electronic stuff.
Hard enuff with this phone.lol.
weet

[buckweet]

There are "big" 16 footers, and "small" 16 footers.   
Larry

So True !!!! and it doesn't take long to recognize the difference when your an active (captured ) participant 
Lakes can be much worse than oceans. Choppy swells that beat your kidneys to death heading back in.
Buy Boat and trailer , shop for a vintage motor separately. Classy!!!!

One of the most beautiful motors ever built 1957 Seahorse short shaft

But? I really really want a 4 stroke.....my uncle has a 60 yamaha ...at 3/4 throttle ...we can still talk! !! Super quiet.
Quiet i like.

[SHOOTALL]

Around truman you can just drive around the old 2 lane highways and shop for boats by looking people's yards.  If you see a chicken, a lawnmower, or concrete yard art you like it's available too! 
 
A good tight WELDED semi-v of the type you are talking about isn't a bad deal.  Solid running used motors can be found cheaper.  Aluminum boats run from extremely leaky and beat up to thick guage welded in like new condition, and the prices range with them from 300-20,000.  Throw us a bit more detail or a picture and it might help some.  And particularly in that neck of the woods, beware of a deal that seems too good.

I have been in both welded and rivited . I have a Lowe that is rivited and its a 1979 mod in does not leak. It has been in rough water both salt and fresh water. I have heard it sais buy several who rent boats , "nothing takes a beating like an airplane and they are rivited . I have seen both leak but a welded boat has less flex and cracks easier I feel. That is Ga metal being the same.

[Savage]

I'd love to buy half a dozen new 20hp 4 stroke outboards for $1k per copy. They run $3k+ around here. For a 16' V with a 72" beam, rigged out, and a trailer, plus a new 4 stroke 20hp, $4900 isn't a bad price.
I fished biweekly club tournaments on a cypress timbered lake for about 10yrs. The lake had a 10hp limit so all of the 30 or so boats were aluminum. The riveted boats took far more abuse than the welded, and were much easier to repair by tightening rivets when they leaked. The welded boats had to be welded frequently and cracked in the heat effected zone. I still have the two Lowes my wife and I ran. They are 20 yrs old now and pretty rough on the bottoms, but are still dry. Given the choice I'd go with the riveted. 
Savage

[Bugflipper]

With that boat a 20hp should get you 20 mph give or take 5 mph for weight of occupants,  gear and how the trim is set. Just depends how far shore is away as to if it is enough or not. I ran a little 15 ft semi v fiberglass with a 48 hp for years that cruised at about 25. It was plenty for me on a big lake.
 Storms blow up quick and are frequent here. Got wet several times, hailed on a few, but never a problem to get back. You just have to give it a bit of throttle when it gets rough instead of less throttle as most folks want to do.

[Savage]

The Coast Guard offers Safe Boating courses. It might be a good idea to take advantage of those. Knowing how to operate a boat in rough water is at least as important as the boat.  I run an 18' fiberglass bass boat with a 150hp motor. Sometimes the big water gets too rough for my rig. It's great to know how to handle a boat in rough water, even better to know when to stay on the bank. There are some great choices in Marine GPS and depth sounders to aid navigation and lots of choices in marine radios to check weather and call for assistance if needed.  Always good to have maps and a compass for backup as well. 
Enjoy your rig!
Savage

[buckweet]

Ok ....update .... bought a used 1971 polar kraft sixteen foot semi vee jon boat.
Have rebuilt the transom. Will pick up a 2001 mercury 25hp 4 stroke biggfoot short shaft.tomorrow off craigs list.
Got all the controls set up and bobs machine shop mini jack plate.
shes a little beat up ..but no leaks.
should be a fun boat to cruise sround in.

[Savage]

Isn't the Big Foot geared and propped for pushing heavy loads? If so, it might not be a good choice for cruising with a boat the size and weight of yours. Just a thought-----------.
Savage

[yellowtail3]

how's the boat coming along, buckweet?

[scootrd]

Ok ....update .... bought a used 1971 polar kraft sixteen foot semi vee jon boat.
Have rebuilt the transom. Will pick up a 2001 mercury 25hp 4 stroke biggfoot short shaft.tomorrow off craigs list.
Got all the controls set up and bobs machine shop mini jack plate.
shes a little beat up ..but no leaks.
should be a fun boat to cruise sround in.

I like Semi V's