Ron Paul "I'm trying to save the Republican Party."

[Singleshotsam]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ron-paul-im-trying-to-save-the-republican-party/
 
You can read the article or scroll down and watch the video at the bottom if your able.  Either way Paul answers a lot of questions that people on here have been asking. 

[jimster]

I think the reps have leaned to far left to be saved, and now there are gobs of people who cling to that party thinking it's better than what we got.  I don't think it can be saved.  The reps melted in with the dems.  All basically one party now. 
 
Ron Paul was likely the repulicans last chance to be saved and get some conservatives interested again.  They chose going left, it it ruined them. 
 

[magooch]

There might well be some squishy Republicans, but that doesn't mean everyone is.  Ron Paul himself does not personify what I would call the perfect conservative.  That's fairly true of anyone and any politician; some are just better than others.  But to equate the Republican Party with the Dumycrats is sophistry and ludicrous. 
 
The Dumycrat Party has become for all intents and purposes, the communist party of the United States.  They have no regard whatsoever for the Constitution, nor for our security, or economic viability.  They only pander to their big money and slavish backers--unions, NAACP, the left wing media and Hollyweird.
 
It isn't the Republican Party that has refused for over three years to pass a federal budget.  It isn't the Republican Party that passed the most sweeping socialist and ruinous legislation in the history of the world (Obama care).  And it isn't the Republican Party that desperately and constantly wants to punish hard working and successful folks by taxing them to death.

[Singleshotsam]

Were in a transistion period.  What's unfortunate is that it will result in BHO getting a 2nd term which will in turn unite the republican party.  I fear we're in for a rough 4 years until that happens though ... 

[Cuts Crooked]

It isn't the Republican Party that has refused for over three years to pass a federal budget.  It isn't the Republican Party that passed the most sweeping socialist and ruinous legislation in the history of the world (Obama care).  And it isn't the Republican Party that desperately and constantly wants to punish hard working and successful folks by taxing them to death.

...and it isn't the republican party that is running a candidate that believes in the constitution as intended by the founders, or even believes in freedom. Instead they are going to run a socialist gun grabber against a socialist gun grabber.

[Doublebass73]

It isn't the Republican Party that passed the most sweeping socialist and ruinous legislation in the history of the world (Obama care).

No, they only passed the most sweeping socialist and ruinous legislation in the history of state level laws and also provided the template for Obamacare (Romney care). That only makes them Socialist Lite.

[nomosendero]

It isn't the Republican Party that passed the most sweeping socialist and ruinous legislation in the history of the world (Obama care).

No, they only passed the most sweeping socialist and ruinous legislation in the history of state level laws and also provided the template for Obamacare (Romney care). That only makes them Socialist Lite.

"they or them", too broad a brush. A Rep. in Mass. never has been a real Republican, nor the Northeast in general. The Dems up there like Barney Fag are in outer space & the Republicans (like Snow)are as Liberal as Dems are further South. The NE Yankee Rep. bear no resemblance to Rep. in TX, AR, OK, etc.
 
But your point about Romney and others setting a bad pace for the Republican Party is valid Sir.

[magooch]

Yes and for the umpteenth time, it isn't the Republican Party that is on its way to selecting a not so conservative nominee, it is the primary voters and caucus attendees.  While some party officials might have their own favorite, I don't believe it makes any difference to the voters.

[jimster]

So I guess I'm not with the primary voters on this. I think maybe the republican party must be OK taking in less than conservative people, so I am not with them either.  When it gets bad enough, things will swing, people will move, the reps will stand for something solid or they will be dead as well.  Obviously it's not bad enough yet.  I reckon it will be someday.  I can wait.  I don't need the republican party or anyone else, I already know I'm in the minority and I can deal with that. 
 
Just remember, no matter how bad it gets don't blame me because I didn't go along with the Romney program. 

[Junior1942]

There might well be some squishy Republicans, but that doesn't mean everyone is.  Ron Paul himself does not personify what I would call the perfect conservative.  That's fairly true of anyone and any politician; some are just better than others.  But to equate the Republican Party with the Dumycrats is sophistry and ludicrous. 
 
The Dumycrat Party has become for all intents and purposes, the communist party of the United States.  They have no regard whatsoever for the Constitution, nor for our security, or economic viability.  They only pander to their big money and slavish backers--unions, NAACP, the left wing media and Hollyweird.
 
It isn't the Republican Party that has refused for over three years to pass a federal budget.  It isn't the Republican Party that passed the most sweeping socialist and ruinous legislation in the history of the world (Obama care).  And it isn't the Republican Party that desperately and constantly wants to punish hard working and successful folks by taxing them to death.

Wow, I think you actually believe that BS!

[Dixie Dude]

Yes, the Democratic party has become the same as the Communist party of the 50's.  Look at their platform from 2008 vs the Communist platform from the 50's.  The Communists have actually taken over the Democratic party.  They believe the big Federal government can solve welfare, healthcare, feed the world, feed all the poor.  If they can't get their way, they pass laws that MANDATE things, like FORCED health care.  Right after Obamacare was passed, my health insurance went up over $100 per month the first year, only because of the mandates it forced them to pay for.  Like keeping grown kids on your insurance until they are 26 whether they are in school or not.  85% of the so called uninsured were young people between 21-30 who had healthcare OFFERED at their jobs, but didn't pay for it.  I don't mind helping the TRUELY poor, but IF a woman gets on welfare, she should be REQUIRED to have the inserted birth control pills under the skin that lasts for 3-6 months.  NO MORE WELFARE BABIES.  ONLY disabled, mental patients, and elderly should qualify for any welfare.  ALL able bodied with an IQ above 75-80 should work or go hungry.  Not my fault they are poor.  In America you choose to be poor, choose to work, choose your life, not live on government handouts.  This goes for corporate welfare, and paying landowners not to grow food. 

[BUGEYE]

DD, your on the money for sure about costs.  my insurance went up and is about to go up again.
my wife is the policy holder and it seems I'll be forced off of her insurance and on to medicare because of price.

[jimster]

I have to say, as disappointed as I am with the republicans, the democrat party is indeed the communist platform for sure, and have basically ruined the masses of people and the minorities and the basic moral structure of the entire country with their hand feeding them. There is no doubt about that.  And my health insurance not only went up, it's going up more with this 2500 page disaster they passed that has basically nothing to do with health care.  But then, anything the Dem's pass in legislation don't match the title of the bill anyway...the Dem's don't read anything that they stand behind, Dem's in congress admitted this as well. On record.  I have yet to meet any democrat that took the time to read legislation they approve of.   Guess I can't blame them, it is a lot of work, and they don't work all that hard to begin with.  I could not get through hardly 900 pages of their latest fiasco...had to give it up, I could not find anything about health care in there...LOL!  At least I tried. Even going through a third of it made me a whole lot smarter though...the Dem's are bad medicine, and the worst of the liars. 
Now some of the Dem's have skimmed through it, and tell us it needs to be re wrote... that's on record...and the places they represented are signing waivers...also on record.   
 
Yet, even on this site...you'll see a few people standing behind the fake health care bill...and that is really baffling.  And they still won't attempt to read it themselves.  They best hurry up though...cause in a few more months it will be even more pages...it's growing! 

 

[scootrd]

Republican this / Democrat that.
The BS has got to stop. If republicans are for something , the dems are immediately against and vice versa.
Even if the idea was one of their parties on another's idea to begin with.
It's all bi-partisan political crud.

This is just a way to divide the masses en whole, and keep everyone fighting amongst each other so they don't recognize this  GOVT that has forgotten they are suppose to work for all of us,  not the other way round.


The individual insurance mandate, which requires virtually all Americans to obtain health coverage or pay a fine, was the brainchild of conservative economists and embraced by some of the nation’s most prominent Republicans for nearly two decades. Yet today many of those champions — including presidential hopefuls Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich — are among the mandate’s most vocal critics.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/health-care-provision-at-center-of-supreme-court-debate-was-a-republican-idea/2012/03/25/gIQAoCHocS_story.html

[Dixie Dude]

I think they at least realise that 60-65% of the American people DO NOT want to be MANDATED to do anything.  On this issue, the Republicans get it.  Dems don't and won't because it takes away one of the government controls over the people.  Republicans AND Democrats DON'T get, we don't want the Patriot Act or any expansion of it. 

[Dixie Dude]

My Republican Senator Jeff Sessions read the whole Obamacare bill and got CBO estimates.  He says it will cost 17 trillion dollars to implement over the next 10 years, and we just can't afford that.  It is WAY over what Obama said it would be.  Like 1.5-1.7 trillion a year, not the 900 Billion he said it would be.  The government will be bankrupt in less than 5 years anyway, so either it will crumble with NO payments for MILITARY, SOCIAL SECURITY, WELFARE, etc.  OR we will have hyper inflation (which is already running 10-12% based on the old method of calculation, not the new one with only 2.2%)  If the feds colapse, there will be panic, gang violence, deaths, basically civil war between the poor inner cities and the suburbs/countryside.  Wake up people, Obama must go this fall.  Romney will at least go the way the wind is blowing.  Obama is steadfast in his socialist utopian green energy powered idealism and WILL NOT CHANGE. 

[Doublebass73]

Yes and for the umpteenth time, it isn't the Republican Party that is on its way to selecting a not so conservative nominee, it is the primary voters and caucus attendees.  While some party officials might have their own favorite, I don't believe it makes any difference to the voters.

Are the primary voters and caucus attendees not Republicans and part of the Republican party?

[BUGEYE]

  Wake up people, Obama must go this fall.  Romney will at least go the way the wind is blowing.  Obama is steadfast in his socialist utopian green energy powered idealism and WILL NOT CHANGE.

y'all need to pay attention to this.

[nw_hunter]

  Wake up people, Obama must go this fall.  Romney will at least go the way the wind is blowing.  Obama is steadfast in his socialist utopian green energy powered idealism and WILL NOT CHANGE.

y'all need to pay attention to this.

I hear most of my fellow Republicans on the forum talk about how Liberal the Huffington Post is!
I tend to agree, soooooo!
This article by them is a great endorsement of Ron Paul! Even though it's not intended to be.
He scares them. Romney doesn't.If Obama win's they are ecstatic. If Romney win's, they will smile.
(Romney  a paler shade of Obama.)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-reinbach/president-ron-paul-ron-pa_b_890037.html

[magooch]

Yes and for the umpteenth time, it isn't the Republican Party that is on its way to selecting a not so conservative nominee, it is the primary voters and caucus attendees.  While some party officials might have their own favorite, I don't believe it makes any difference to the voters.

Are the primary voters and caucus attendees not Republicans and part of the Republican party?

Absolutely not; those who vote for a Republican in the primaries and caucuses are not necessarily party members any more than those who vote for a Dumycrat are members of the Dumycrat Party. 
 
It might be a distinction without a difference, but with reference to who the parties are running in the primaries it is pertinent.  The candidates themselves are who chooses to run.  The party operatives have little to nothing to do with it--officially.
 
My point was that what we get is simply who chooses to run and who gets the votes.

[jimster]

brainchild of conservative economists and embraced by some of the nation’s most prominent Republicans for nearly two decades.

It does get confusing when republicans or people call themselves conservative when they are really not.
 
In order to not be confused, I pay no attention to parties or what they SAY they are, and that includes any people who somehow get the title conservative.
 
I would have to say those "conservative economists"  and "prominent republicans" fooled some people...they are not conservative.   So it's all a mute point from the start. 
 
 
 

[Dixie Dude]

Yep, Sessions said the Obama administration grossly underestimated the cost to the government.  He said he checked with the CBO and it would cost 17 trillion to implement.  Remember it replaces Medicare and Medicaid, and will serve those who do not get private insurance.  Lots of young people will be too lazy to either shop for insurance and take the government and/or lots of companies will drop insurance benefits alltogether to get out of the hassles being created by Obamacare.  Lots of doctors and dentists will also probably retire early.  My dentist is in his early 60's and he said he might retire to get out of the hassles being created by mountains of regulations and paperwork.  HELLO AMERICA.  There are no free anything, someone always has to pay. 

[scootrd]

brainchild of conservative economists and embraced by some of the nation’s most prominent Republicans for nearly two decades.

It does get confusing when republicans or people call themselves conservative when they are really not.
 
In order to not be confused, I pay no attention to parties or what they SAY they are, and that includes any people who somehow get the title conservative.
 
I would have to say those "conservative economists"  and "prominent republicans" fooled some people...they are not conservative.   So it's all a mute point from the start.
 

My point exactly. Just cause some say they are conservative does not make it so. Mitt is a RINO, The same folks who were for the mandate initially are now against. It's all just political Brinksmanship to keep masses divided and common man swept up in the fray.

[powderman]

All RP has been doing the past few months is further dividing the party, gingrich too. I feel that the RP supporters would come closer to voting for Santorum than Romney, they have cost him votes and delegates. Both RP and gingrich are hurting our chances of dethroning the obamination. Some of you can beat that dead horse all ya want, but he aint going anywhere. POWDERMAN. 

[Singleshotsam]

All RP has been doing the past few months is further dividing the party, gingrich too. I feel that the RP supporters would come closer to voting for Santorum than Romney, they have cost him votes and delegates. Both RP and gingrich are hurting our chances of dethroning the obamination. Some of you can beat that dead horse all ya want, but he aint going anywhere. POWDERMAN. 

We can beat a dead horse all we want.  And Romney supporters can beat a dead Republican party all they want.  The Republican Party SHOULD have learned their lesson 4 years ago when they chose McCain.  They ran a weak candidate and lost.  So what's their big plan of action for this election?  Running another weak candidate...  It seems like dethroning Obama isn't really on their priorities list...
 
Ron Paul or Newt haven't divided the Republican party.  People fed up with socialist politics have divided the party... 

[powderman]

sss. WAke up, it's the voters who aren't supporting RP. Name a candidate with less public support and votes if ya can. I don't like romney and will vote for Santorum in the primary. Whoever gets the Rep nod will be the ONLY one running with a chance to dethrone the obamaites messiah, it's that simple. Any vote for a 3rd part is a vote against the only one with a chance to beat the obamination, doesn't take a mental heavyweight to see that. Off to the hospitol. POWDERMAN. 

[Singleshotsam]

It also doesn't a professor of political science to see that whoever the GOP nominates will ultimately lose to Obama this election.  The republicans are facing a unified Democratic party.  The Democrats were unified by a second term of GWB.  The Republicans are split between people who actually have this country's best intrests in mind and people like you who think that voting out a bad president and replacing him with an equally bad president is actually going to make a difference.  So until the GOP is unified by a second term of BHO I would just hope for the best and right now that would be a Republican majority in Congress.
 

[powderman]

Wake up sam, the voters are the ones who pick the candidate, not the party. POWDERMAN. 

[nw_hunter]

Wake up sam, the voters are the ones who pick the candidate, not the party. POWDERMAN. 

The voters get to pick a Choice! Now that's funny right there.It's like this choice......Pick a number between one and three.How many voters do you know that don't vote party lines? I'll bet most on here have never voted against their party picks.

[Singleshotsam]

 

Wake up sam, the voters are the ones who pick the candidate, not the party. POWDERMAN. 

   I like how I'm repeatedly told to "wake up" by people who are mumbling in their sleep...