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Priest joked about sex with 3 boys in one week.
« on: April 03, 2012, 03:52:43 AM »
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Trial: Priest joked about abusing 3 boys in weekAssociated PressBy MARYCLAIRE DALE | Associated Press – 16 hrs ago          PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Jurors in a landmark priest-abuse trial heard Monday about a priest-turned-camp prowler and another who allegedly bragged about having sex with three boys in one week.
Also Monday, two jurors were replaced by alternates, but a gag order prevents lawyer from discussing the reasons for the move.
Monsignor William Lynn is on trial for child endangerment and conspiracy. Lynn, 61, is the first Roman Catholic church official in the U.S. charged for his handling of priest-abuse complaints. Prosecutors say he helped the church bury them in secret files, far from the prying eyes of investigators, civil attorneys and concerned Catholics.
In the day's most startling testimony, a detective read internal church memos about a priest who allegedly "joked about how hard it was to have sex with three boys in one week." His accuser also stated that the priest had a "rotation process" of boys spending time sleeping with him.
Defense lawyers argue that Lynn tried to address the problem as secretary for clergy from 1992 to 2004, but was blocked by the late Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua and others in the Philadelphia archdiocese.
The testimony Monday also included a 1992 complaint about a different priest who allegedly molested boys at a church-owned camp three decades earlier.
Several junior counselors complained in the early 1960s that the priest was on the prowl at night, molesting them in their tents. They said it was a well-known secret among teen counselors for several years.
The priest remained in ministry, working at three archdiocesan high schools and serving as assistant superintendent of Catholic schools through 2004. Confronted after a man complained to the archdiocese in 1992, the priest admitted to the "sin" of masturbation and said he had read up on that subject because so many people were mentioning it in the confessional.
Few victims or members of the public have been attending the trial in downtown Philadelphia, but retired Philadelphia detective Arthur Baselice III of Mantua, N.J., turned out Monday.
His 28-year-old son, Arthur Jr., died of a drug overdose in 2006, after his civil lawsuit against the church accusing his high school principal of molesting him was thrown out because of legal time limits. The former principal, a Franciscan friar, is in prison for stealing nearly $900,000 from the school and the Franciscans, some of which fed the younger Baselice's drug addiction, according to prosecutors.
Prosecutors are detailing allegations made against nearly two dozen priests since 1948 to show that Lynn and other archdiocesan officials kept suspected predators in jobs around children.
On cross-examination Monday, defense lawyers Jeffrey Lindy and Thomas Bergstrom had detectives concede that Lynn promptly interviewed both complainants and accused priests, and sent the priests to a church-run hospital for mental health evaluations and treatment.
The man who wrote to the archdiocese in 1992 about the camp prowler was by then 44, a married father of five girls. His alleged molester was chaplain of a suburban Philadelphia girls' high school.
He remained there until 2004, when a church panel reviewing complaints in the wake of the national priest-abuse scandal found the allegations against him credible. The priest only then admitted molesting three boys, and explained earlier denials on the fact he had confessed and moved past it.
The archdiocese restricted his ministry — 40 years after the camp allegations first surfaced.
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Associated Press writer JoAnn Loviglio contributed to this report
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Re: Priest joked about sex with 3 boys in one week.
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2012, 04:40:06 AM »
yeah, it's easy to confess and move past it.  the pope is just as guilty for allowing it to continue.
if someone molested my child, there would be no place on earth where he could hide from me.

here's how the church handles it ;) ;) ;) ;)
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2012, 05:02:19 AM »
  There is one he will have to deal with one day..and I would not like to be in his place.
    Anyone in a position of authority and trust.. banker, scout leader, school teacher, pastor, priest, deacon, lawyer, doctor, parent aor any other such position of advantage where people must trust them..and who violate that trust, will face the wrath of an angry God.
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      Soon, truth emerged and many came to me with requests for forgiveness..granted.  I already had the gratitude of some ladies and a couple late teenaged girls.
    One woman, a local "professional" still doesn't speak to me...but I understand her position.. with some, he may have been successful..she craved that kind of attention..
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Re: Priest joked about sex with 3 boys in one week.
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2012, 05:13:42 AM »
there's been two local Churches split for similar stuff in the last five years.
can't understand taking the side of a molester.
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Re: Priest joked about sex with 3 boys in one week.
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2012, 06:39:31 AM »
  Bugeye;
      Praise the Lord, the church didn't split over this..there were perhaps 20% either confused or disgruntled.  Soon the truth came out fully and then there were 1 or 2 yet dissatisfied..one being the woman I mentioned above.
  She was the type who claimed to have gotten saved at that church but was too proud to be baptized.couldn't stand the idea of not appearing 100% at all times.
   Unfortunately some get confused, usually those still "feeding upon milk"..who are inclined to follow the man , rather than God.
     (see Acts 5:29).
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Re: Priest joked about sex with 3 boys in one week.
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2012, 07:35:07 AM »
My wife and I go round and round on this issue. She is a Catholic, although I wouldn't say overly zealous, and I was raised in a Mormon houshold (My search for faith has since taken me to other places).
 
It is like a nightmare to me hearing about these things even having grown up in LA and knowing the evils of the world all too well. Having four children myself, it makes the hairs on the back of my neck spike just hearing of it! But it seems to me that no one ever tries to get at the root of this tragedy.
 
There is no conceivable excuse for this! I'm not trying to make any for these people but it is well known that these predators were often abused themselves. When a child has been physically wounded like this the psychological wounds are far more extensive. In many cases this person's entire world is warped for life and this condition is what gives rise to future predators.
 
How do you handle this? Do you keep a constant watch on the victims as well untill they become adults, being vigilant of predatory singns and tendencies? Its like victimizing the victim and unrealistic.
 
We want to be able to trust in people especially when pursuing our chosen faiths. As I said, my wife and I run round the table as I argue that the life style of priests and nuns is not a natural one. I cannot see myself ever taking marital or parental advice from one who has never sailed those waters. They are in a position of trust and that in itself gives rise to OPPORTUNITY.
 
Although these guys were probably twisted before they entered the priesthood, I feel that living under those conditions; never nurturing a relationship, or experiencing the pleasure of a woman, denying some of the vary things that makes us human. It can do "things" to ones psyche as it does to many career service members. (That may be a bad comparison although I knew some pretty twisted lifers when I was in the service and I was just a signature away from likely becoming a lifer myself).
 
The closest thing to a father that I had growing up was narcotics detective with the LASD, my best friends dad. From him, my buddy and I received our street education in what we refered to as "sleaze tours" that his dad would take us on in the as@*#les of LA. He left nothing out and did not sugar coat the language.
 
This was done at the request of my mother after a classmate who sat directly across from me was sexually assaulted and murdered after being kidnapped from a local mall while selling fundraising candy BY HERSELF. I was 9 years old at the time. Jenny Kow. I still see her face in my mind to this day. At least they caught the SOB!
 
By the time I was 11 years old I knew about every ugly thing, in graphic detail, about what happens in the city and in Prisons. So when I entered a private all boys Catholic school at age 14, my radar was already up. That was only for one year (mom couldn't keep up the tuition and I was always a step away from expulsion). Good thing too! The staff certainly had some issues. But I won't go into that.
 
Many parents will argue that what my mentor did was excessive; that it tainted my innocence and that it gave rise to my less than spotless adolescence. Inspite of being raised moral and proper by my mother, I made my own decisions and did not walk the law abiding path for many years. And neither did my best friend. But I think it may have been that way regardless of his dads tainting (as some saw it) influence.
 
Military service focused my excessive negative energy and first hand showed me what all my moms "preaching" of honor and integrity was about (Some people just have to have it pounded into them with fire and an anvil, I guess). The birth of my oldest son brought me out of military mode and back down to Earth. Killing and fighting to me were an acceptable option only as an extreme last resort.
 
I digress, I feel that it was this man's dose of reality that kept me alive through the stupidity of my teens and because of that, I feel that one simply cannot keep their children in a bubble.
 
One has to appreciate the beauty and treasure that is within their children when they are wee little ones, say birth to around 8 or 9 and then start arming them with they ugly knowledge of life when they want to start asserting more independence. Do not let this time pass you by for the sake of making more money and a more comfortable lifestyle if you have what you need.
 
I know many of you gentlemen have children that are grown and out, but for those who are still fairly new to the "dad" thing, this whole writing is for you.
 
Keep your childrens minds away from that TV. Maintain absolute control of what they watch on it. This will make it easier for you to combat COMMERCIAL influence and teach them to think for themselves. Love them, praise them, everyday! As a man don't be afraid to teach them tenderness for it teaches empathy and they will pass this to others.
 
Predators are incapable of empathy and that is why they can do such horrible things to children. They are also extremely good actors/liars. Read up on Analytical Interviewing for Law Enforcement and try to pass this to your kids. Good tool for fine tuning ones BS and predator radar.
 
ARM THEM WITH KNOWLEDGE. Reality is an ugly thing but to those of you who cannot afford to sequester your families away in the heartlands, it is absolutely necessary that your children KNOW that monsters do exist and that it it takes observational skill and experience to be able to distinguish one from the crowd.
 
I apologize for hitchin a ride on your thread Powderman, but this subject always hits a certain spot with me.
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2012, 08:25:25 AM »
Quote from finisher:
"Although these guys were probably twisted before they entered the priesthood, I feel that living under those conditions; never nurturing a relationship, or experiencing the pleasure of a woman, denying some of the vary things that makes us human. It can do "things" to ones psyche as it does to many career service members."


The above makes some sense but would not the nuns have much of the same feelings/problems. As of yet I have not heard any similar problems from nuns.
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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2012, 08:46:26 AM »

There is no conceivable excuse for this! I'm not trying to make any for these people but it is well known that these predators were often abused themselves. When a child has been physically wounded like this the psychological wounds are far more extensive. In many cases this person's entire world is warped for life and this condition is what gives rise to future predators.


Ok......as a victim of physical abuse when I was a child, beaten fairly regularly by adults until I was a teen, my take on it it is that, anyone who was ever a victim should know better! So I view the whole, "I'm this way because I was abused" thing as a cop out!

Finisher.......you have my deepest sympathy! My oldest was raised Christian and is married to a member of the Latter Day Saints! :o
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Re: Priest joked about sex with 3 boys in one week.
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2012, 09:53:56 AM »
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"Although these guys were probably twisted before they entered the priesthood, I feel that living under those conditions; never nurturing a relationship, or experiencing the pleasure of a woman, denying some of the vary things that makes us human. It can do "things" to ones psyche as it does to many career service members."


The above makes some sense but would not the nuns have much of the same feelings/problems. As of yet I have not heard any similar problems from nuns.
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Very true. The female psyche is very different and I doubt I'll ever truly get a good grasp of it. I don't mean to condemn ALL who chose the path of the faith. Certainly, it is a challenging road to walk. But for those hidden ones who may already have issues, it may not be the wise choice. Perhapse I'm too much of an amateur profiler.
 

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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2012, 10:35:17 AM »

There is no conceivable excuse for this! I'm not trying to make any for these people but it is well known that these predators were often abused themselves. When a child has been physically wounded like this the psychological wounds are far more extensive. In many cases this person's entire world is warped for life and this condition is what gives rise to future predators.


Ok......as a victim of physical abuse when I was a child, beaten fairly regularly by adults until I was a teen, my take on it it is that, anyone who was ever a victim should know better! So I view the whole, "I'm this way because I was abused" thing as a cop out!

Finisher.......you have my deepest sympathy! My oldest was raised Christian and is married to a member of the Latter Day Saints! :o
I agree. You and many others are to be commended for your strength in refusing to pass the hurt and anger on to future generations. But one has to wonder what circumstances made you different and able to see the light. Right and wrong, empathy, and compassion are things that must be taught to our children with constant guidance. Many abused children will never have anything close to this.
 
Please understand, I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone. If it was my child, I'd likely end up in prison for what I'd do and thats a fact. But I believe that "finding a cure" so to speak is in isolating the origin of a problem and eliminating it or taking preventative measures.
 
But rather than judge anyone for I certainly have been no saint in my life time. I would rationalize it as putting down a rabid animal. Its is just something that must be done for the better good of everyone. Crazy and difficult as it may sound, to do so with extreme prejudice and malace wil only fuel the rage in oneself. But the task must be done all the same.
 
These are wounds that can never fully heal, but hatred, rage and condemnation will only hinder what healing CAN be done.
 
Otherwise it just goes on and on, stemming from the people who abused you , and from whoever it was that taught them to be that way , and on and on. The Buck stopped with you! We know "how" you did it by making the conscious and moral decision. But the "why", well there is a key. What influences, in what way were you different, and how do we perpetuate this strength to other victims.
 
The pain and rage I feel when I hear these stories makes me want to condemn and judge as well. That is natural and understandable. This type of thing should not be tolarated and I'm sure we'd both agree that eliminating the "problem" is absolutely necessary. But do you want to torchure slowly and fuel more pain and rage in everyone or does "putting down the rabid animal" with a bullet, quick and clean, without judgement seem like it'd be better in the long run for everyone?
 
The "animal" that murdered my friend is still on death row to this day and that happened in the late 70s. Doesn't make a lotta sense to me.
 
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2012, 01:16:08 PM »
  I tend to think that the priests who "went wrong", did so long before they entered the priesthood.  Likely, they entered it to get away from women, or possibly conceal their disinterest in women.  You get a few of them in any given organization ..and they will find each other..they do in regular life, why not in a closed community ?
    It appears that being "celibate", is no kind of cure for a naturally promiscuous person. The hard celibacy rule wasn't adopted until the first Lateran council in 1127.
  However, since I am an evangelical Christian, far be it for me to try tell the RC Church how to operate..
   Finisher;  I woiuld like to see you and your spouse examine the various denominations and settle on one for both of you; your children need that.
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  Now, I know you are no doubt no where near that verse above (2 Cor 6:14-16).. but the first one (Amoa 3:3) is very important .
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2012, 06:29:21 PM »
  I tend to think that the priests who "went wrong", did so long before they entered the priesthood.  Likely, they entered it to get away from women, or possibly conceal their disinterest in women.  You get a few of them in any given organization ..and they will find each other..they do in regular life, why not in a closed community ?
    It appears that being "celibate", is no kind of cure for a naturally promiscuous person. The hard celibacy rule wasn't adopted until the first Lateran council in 1127.
  However, since I am an evangelical Christian, far be it for me to try tell the RC Church how to operate..
   Finisher;  I woiuld like to see you and your spouse examine the various denominations and settle on one for both of you; your children need that.
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  2 Corinthians 6:14-16
  King James Version (KJV)        " 14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?  15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?  16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people "
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  Now, I know you are no doubt no where near that verse above (2 Cor 6:14-16).. but the first one (Amoa 3:3) is very important .
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I think this would be a good thing for the whole family and as the man of the house , I know that I should be the one leading path, It is difficult enough for one to pursue faith. I've seen things as a youngster that made me question all the denominations, did things as a man that may have been acceptable to some in the name of "duty" but to me were unspeakable and I turned my back on all churches and on God and drifted.
 
My wife has always been strong in her faith; strong enough to at least inspire me to believe once again that there is a "higher power" . But I cannot bring myself to see it within any organization of man as we know. Especially with issues like this, and not just within the RC church.
 
I appreciate your encouragement and we are working on it. In our house there are a number of different versions and translations of The Bible (if only I understood Arimeaic hah ;D ), along with a Hebrew bible, even a Coran and Budhist Philosophy.
 
Praying was something I always did alone in the quiet and solitude of the Angeles Crest (it is no longer so quiet and solitary up there) and it gave me a strength that I just didn't seem to receive in church.  But I know I have to get past this in order to pass faith to children.
 
Maybe growing up around a city cop has just made me untrusting of everyone. Incidently, he ended up under federal indictment with about ten other deputies back around 91. Beat the charges (he was the only one who whose money the feds couldn't trace) and got nailed for tax evasion. The others ended up doing federal time for far more serious stuff. I was over seas when I found out.
 
I want to serve God's higher purpose I just wish that I didn't have to go through man to do it. Sorry for turning this into a religious thread.
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Re: Priest joked about sex with 3 boys in one week.
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2012, 07:06:22 AM »
  Finisher;
  I appreciate your heartfelt, candid response.  I was raised in a "Walton's mountain" type family, except my folks were "Chreasters"..that is, they would go to church on Christmas & Easter.  One of the primary things we have to be sure of, is that we are following Christ and not a man.  Having a good, readable copy of the Bible and some working knowledge of it, helps to avoid many pitfalls.
  The beautiful, Elizabethan language of the King James is really great, but some folks would like an 'easier to read'  Bible.  I really don't like many of the newer versions, but after many years studying and teaching there is one which I can recommend, and that is the "New King James Bible"  the NKJV ..but of course, that is my opinion..
  A Bible-believing local church is a good foundation to build a family on...I have found it a great "backup" for the values I tried to instill in my children..and it has apparently worked.  Now that I am a grandpa with grown grandchildren..none with any problems concerning laziness, alcohol or drugs.  My grandsons are all real men and my grandaughter (teenager) is respected for her values.  She goes to a Christian school, which again, backs my (our) value, and although there is no 100% guarantee, the chances that she will "survive' her teenage years are greatly enhanced.
  Just consider this..when a child is raised to know that the Bible holds ultimate truths and they get to that rebellious stage, you can say; "OK you think I am not 'hip'.. so let's see what God says about this" !  You know God's word will always guide them to do what is right..and toward what any decent parent would want for their child. 
    Believe me..when they are raised with a reverence for God's word, they don't desert it easily !  Any further questions..I'm open to a PM..
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Re: Priest joked about sex with 3 boys in one week.
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2012, 02:07:29 PM »
Finisher,

Thanx fer yer comments!

But do not think for a moment that I am a saint! I was one of the most vicious brats ever to grace the entrance to juvinile hall and while I straightened up somewhat in my late teens, I was really in my mid twenties before I got my act in order.........and it took raising my oldest son by myself to make me understand that my actions were more important to others than to me!

To quote a social services worker, when I was 10 years old and being sent to a new foster farm, "He's a bitter and savage little snake, but you can get a lot of work out him." >:( ;)
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