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sizing cast bullets
« on: April 03, 2012, 02:36:16 PM »
How long do you wait to size your bullets.
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Re: sizing cast bullets
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2012, 06:25:30 PM »
  This is a really good question, as waiting time effects final size diameter, and how much effort it takes to size.

  When air cooling, full hardness is reached in about two weeks, but when quench hardening as when dropping from a hot mold into water or quenching by dumping from a container into water after heating in an oven, full hardness is reached in about 24 hours.

  Bullets will siae the easiest and final size will be smallest in any given sizer die, if sized very soon after the cast or quench, while they are at their softest.  That means, with air cooled one can wait a few hours or a day and hardness will be low enough for easy sizing, but for quenched bullets, there will be  a very noticable increase in hardenss within 2 to 4 hours.  If one wants to size quenched bullets all water must be dried off or lube will not stick.

  Diameter variations of up to .0015 are common just from bullet hardness during siaing.  So, if close control of sizing is critical, try sizing while hardness is low, then at intervals during the hardening cycle until you get bullets of the diameter you need.   If you want to get the smallest diameter possible from a siaer die, wait till bullets are at full hardness before sizing.
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Re: sizing cast bullets
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2012, 08:00:53 PM »
Thanks for the info
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Re: sizing cast bullets
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2012, 02:25:00 AM »
Can it be concluded that air cooled bullets that are sized within 24 hours of pouring will continue to harden as well as increase in diameter?


If the answer is "yes", that a sized bullet increases in diameter during hardening, will it continue to do so after it is loaded in a case?

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Re: sizing cast bullets
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2012, 04:59:34 PM »
  Cast bullets do not change in diameter AT ALL during the hardening cycle, whether air cooled or quenched, nor does sized diameter changed if bullets are sized soon after casting, before the hardening cycle has taken place.

    The hardening cycle will go on as if not sized, if bullets are sized soon after casting.  Also, you will read about bullets being softened by sizing, so I'll enlighten you on this matter also.  The only portion of a bullet which is softened is a very thin skin of the surface where sizing actually occures, and this thin slightly softened skin has no effect on cast bullet performance.  It is the overal hardness which controls obturation in the barrel, and expansion on game.

  The thin softened skin of the sized surface, is so thin that very special hardness testing equipment is required to measure it.

  Regarding any concern about bullet hardness, effect from sizing etc.  Judge by bullet performance ONLY.  If you do some new trick and get results doing it, do it again, regardless of what you might read contrarywise.  ie.  If changing something cause leading to increase or accuracy to fall off, or bullets to come apart too easy on impact, that trick is a bad one.   If there are no negative effects, the trick is a good one.
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Re: sizing cast bullets
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2012, 05:06:19 AM »
  This is a really good question, as waiting time effects final size diameter, and how much effort it takes to size.

  When air cooling, full hardness is reached in about two weeks, but when quench hardening as when dropping from a hot mold into water or quenching by dumping from a container into water after heating in an oven, full hardness is reached in about 24 hours.

  Bullets will siae the easiest and final size will be smallest in any given sizer die, if sized very soon after the cast or quench, while they are at their softest.  That means, with air cooled one can wait a few hours or a day and hardness will be low enough for easy sizing, but for quenched bullets, there will be  a very noticable increase in hardenss within 2 to 4 hours.  If one wants to size quenched bullets all water must be dried off or lube will not stick.

  Diameter variations of up to .0015 are common just from bullet hardness during siaing.  So, if close control of sizing is critical, try sizing while hardness is low, then at intervals during the hardening cycle until you get bullets of the diameter you need.   [/color]If you want to get the smallest diameter possible from a siaer die, wait till bullets are at full hardness before sizing.


Veral,
Could you please clarify?
If I want the largest possible diameter from a given sizer should I size soon after casting or when cured to full hardness?
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