The Official Lesser of Two Evils List

[mcwoodduck]

OK so what is your plan?
Neo Confederate?
3rd party and allow Obama to win?
How does that further your vision for the country?
Clearly one of the two will win.
No matter what your fanticy of a president Paul is it will not happen if he can not secure the Republican nomination.
No matter what you think the reality is either Obama wins and he attacks the constitution or Rhomney wins and we can show he won with a Conservitive majority and he may take those people into account and rule that way.
When LBJ became President and supported the Civilrights movement Southerns went to him and said he was from Texas and the people of Texasdid not want that.  He answered that he is not the President of all Americans and the rights of all Americans were his concern now.  The only think I like about LBJ.  He put the rights of all people above his party.
I know Obama is too much of an ideallog to put anything above his plans and vision.
Now if your three choices are
Loose half your crew,
Launch a life boat and that will result in the loss of your ship and crew
or continue on the course you are on and youwill loose the ship andthe whole crew is lost.
While the loss of half of your crew may not be acceptable the loss of the ship is out of the question.
and as you vote for a 3rd party, a write in or Obstain and Obama starts to invite the UN in to collect your guns, to limit your freedom to confiscate your private property, limit your first admendment rights I will just keep replying to you "how did the vote work out for you?  Told you So!"
 As for the endless war, if we backed the military, if we fought the war to win.  If we said that we would not allow the morons in our society to influence the war and ket more people killed like in Viet Nam, Like in Iraq, like in Afganistan.  The enemy understands that people like you have no will, and will not win a war.  You bluster and rail but do not have a will to end a conflict and win it.  Do you suggest that we cut and run like Somolia that incouraged Al Quada to murder thousands of people because they thought we were weak.  You prove it.  Iran see that and understands that limp spines like you and Paul will be the end of our country.
I learned a few things growing up.
From history, from the bible, and from the playground.
If you start a fight be ready to finish it.
If someone else starts a fight you need to win so they and others will not start another one
Not finishing a fight will only create another fight.  That may bring in others.
The Bible had the Isrealites killing all enemies so they do would not rise up and attack them. 
Are you saying God is wrong in telling you that finishing fights ends them and stops others from starting new ones?
Are you saying that Dr. Paul knows more than God?

[R.W.Dale]

The real problem that's brought us to this point of such mediocrity in the Republican party is our fundamentally broken piecemeal primary system we have in this country.

We critically need to have a nation wide primary! As it stands now we have early primary states that are predominantly "blue" whose electors will go to Obama come november selecting the Republican candidate. Well no suprise there that we get a liberal gun banning pro whatever it takes to get elected flip flopper.

For once I'm relieved I haven't had a vote in this debacle. And I will have no remorse when Romney loses (and he will) Jimmy Carter style.

[Cuts Crooked]

OK so what is your plan?
Neo Confederate?
3rd party and allow Obama to win?
How does that further your vision for the country?
Clearly one of the two will win.
No matter what your fanticy of a president Paul is it will not happen if he can not secure the Republican nomination.
No matter what you think the reality is either Obama wins and he attacks the constitution or Rhomney wins and we can show he won with a Conservitive majority and he may take those people into account and rule that way.
When LBJ became President and supported the Civilrights movement Southerns went to him and said he was from Texas and the people of Texasdid not want that.  He answered that he is not the President of all Americans and the rights of all Americans were his concern now.  The only think I like about LBJ.  He put the rights of all people above his party.
I know Obama is too much of an ideallog to put anything above his plans and vision.
Now if your three choices are
Loose half your crew,
Launch a life boat and that will result in the loss of your ship and crew
or continue on the course you are on and youwill loose the ship andthe whole crew is lost.
While the loss of half of your crew may not be acceptable the loss of the ship is out of the question.
and as you vote for a 3rd party, a write in or Obstain and Obama starts to invite the UN in to collect your guns, to limit your freedom to confiscate your private property, limit your first admendment rights I will just keep replying to you "how did the vote work out for you?  Told you So!"
 As for the endless war, if we backed the military, if we fought the war to win.  If we said that we would not allow the morons in our society to influence the war and ket more people killed like in Viet Nam, Like in Iraq, like in Afganistan.  The enemy understands that people like you have no will, and will not win a war.  You bluster and rail but do not have a will to end a conflict and win it.  Do you suggest that we cut and run like Somolia that incouraged Al Quada to murder thousands of people because they thought we were weak.  You prove it.  Iran see that and understands that limp spines like you and Paul will be the end of our country.
I learned a few things growing up.
From history, from the bible, and from the playground.
If you start a fight be ready to finish it.
If someone else starts a fight you need to win so they and others will not start another one
Not finishing a fight will only create another fight.  That may bring in others.
The Bible had the Isrealites killing all enemies so they do would not rise up and attack them. 
Are you saying God is wrong in telling you that finishing fights ends them and stops others from starting new ones?
Are you saying that Dr. Paul knows more than God?

No but I'm saying you either didn't read what I wrote, or you don't care and just want your baby killing, socialist, gun grabber to win so bad that you will completely ignore everything!

And your analogy is wrong, the ship is in no danger of sinking.....the entire crew has gone over to the enemy because they were cowards and wanted to be what they were supposed to fight against.



BTW, Nice touch there, "speaking for God".........that's not gonna endear you with your new masters. Let us know how being part of the baby killing, socialist, gun grabbing party works out for you personally.

[BUGEYE]

mcwoodduck, ignorance is rampant..  the third party has no plan....except to point fingers and whine because their man is not winning.
you have some great posts, but again THEY HAVE NO PLAN.

[Cuts Crooked]

mcwoodduck, ignorance is rampant..  the third party has no plan....except to point fingers and whine because their man is not winning.
you have some great posts, but again THEY HAVE NO PLAN.

Glad to see that you have a plan.......vote for a baby killing, gun grabbing, socialist and shiver in your hovel hoping they don't come for you too quickly?

THAT is the plan of the republican party.

[BUGEYE]

shiver in your hovel hoping they don't come for you too quickly?

[Cuts Crooked]

shiver in your hovel hoping they don't come for you too quickly?

Yup! That's what I wrote.........along with "That's the plan of the republican party" . Convienently forget that part?

[Cuts Crooked]

As I have pointed out repeatedly, you are voting for a gun grabbing, baby killing, socialist. And you refuse to face up to the fact of what that makes you. The moral implications are staggering. Obviously there is no limit to the depravity you are willing to accept to gain some undeserved semblance of security......which you will not get with your choice. Although they might let you "beg for change on the corner"

Bug, you once stated that you would not vote for a liar, then you back pedled. You have also said you would not support a baby killer, yet here you are.

Bottom line, while you try to denounce me as an Obama supporter, which I am not and never will be, you are supporting the very scum you claim to be against.

If your "reality" needs you to vote for pure unadulterated evil then what are you? I hope that you are simply abrasive people who enjoy arguing for it's own sake, but I suspect that you are the type who will condone evil in any form, if you believe it will keep you safe. It won't.
Nevertheless, I will pray for you both.

[Cuts Crooked]

More evil from O'romeny.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/mitt-romney-adds-openly-gay-adviser-to-team-mormon-beliefs-questioned-73796/

[Cuts Crooked]

While the rest of the Republikon party stands shoulder to shoulder with Obummer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=7SGWH3kirzg&vq=medium

[mcwoodduck]

As I have pointed out repeatedly, you are voting for a gun grabbing, baby killing, socialist. And you refuse to face up to the fact of what that makes you.

And you keep saying it, and I keep agreeing.
What you fail to see through your mantra is that one of the two are going to win.
Both are evil and I have said it multiple times.
Un like you, I am a realist and am looking at the reality of another 4+ years of Obama or 4 years of Rhomney.  As the thread, it says lesser of two evils you fail to answer who is the lesser of two evils.
I have picked the lesser of the two evils.  I have made a choice. 
So from what you have been saying you see Obama the Baby killing, gun grabbing communist as the lesser of two evils and are going to vote 3rd party to ensure he is re ellected.  You too have made a choice and that is for Obama. 
What does that make you?
After all you have one vote.
It can either result in Obama re ellected or Rhomney ellected.  A vote for 3rd party may as well count for Obama.  So cast your vote, call me names and know you helped to ruin the country with the re ellection of the greater evil.
 
 

[blind ear]

If discussing Obama and Rhomney there is no option, one will give you the same as the other. ear

[Cuts Crooked]

As I have pointed out repeatedly, you are voting for a gun grabbing, baby killing, socialist. And you refuse to face up to the fact of what that makes you.

And you keep saying it, and I keep agreeing.
What you fail to see through your mantra is that one of the two are going to win.
Both are evil and I have said it multiple times.
Un like you, I am a realist and am looking at the reality of another 4+ years of Obama or 4 years of Rhomney.  As the thread, it says lesser of two evils you fail to answer who is the lesser of two evils.
I have picked the lesser of the two evils.  I have made a choice. 
So from what you have been saying you see Obama the Baby killing, gun grabbing communist as the lesser of two evils and are going to vote 3rd party to ensure he is re ellected.  You too have made a choice and that is for Obama. 
What does that make you?
After all you have one vote.
It can either result in Obama re ellected or Rhomney ellected.  A vote for 3rd party may as well count for Obama.  So cast your vote, call me names and know you helped to ruin the country with the re ellection of the greater evil.

Just because YOU don't have the moral fortitude to stand up and refuse to vote for evil,  is no reason for you to try to excuse your behaviour by accusing others of supporting it because they won't vote for evil.

That's all you are saying, over and over again!



There is no "lesser" here, they are just evil.........you agree, but you will still vote for evil.

[mcwoodduck]

If discussing Obama and Rhomney there is no option, one will give you the same as the other. ear

In the mantra that Cuts crooked keeps saying I agree.
Where I see a difference is in the mind set. 
Obama is a through and through Communist and his policies are destroying the middle class.  He has his sights set on a class war where the many demand the few to have nothing. 
O bama has stated in his books in his interviews that he wants to raise the price of fuel so we HAVE to use something else.  We drive jobs over seas, he does not like hte US being a super power and that other countries should take over.
With Rhomney he may be a gun grabber, he may be a socialist, but he is not out to ruin the country like Obama and Fundamentaly change the country.
Under the new Obama reality 10+ % unemployment is normal.
Under the new Obama reality food costs and fuels are up 20+% across the board.
Under the new Obama reality you are a subject to the state not a citizen.
Under the new Obama reality the constitution does not matter.

[mcwoodduck]

As I have pointed out repeatedly, you are voting for a gun grabbing, baby killing, socialist. And you refuse to face up to the fact of what that makes you.

And you keep saying it, and I keep agreeing.
What you fail to see through your mantra is that one of the two are going to win.
Both are evil and I have said it multiple times.
Un like you, I am a realist and am looking at the reality of another 4+ years of Obama or 4 years of Rhomney.  As the thread, it says lesser of two evils you fail to answer who is the lesser of two evils.
I have picked the lesser of the two evils.  I have made a choice. 
So from what you have been saying you see Obama the Baby killing, gun grabbing communist as the lesser of two evils and are going to vote 3rd party to ensure he is re ellected.  You too have made a choice and that is for Obama. 
What does that make you?
After all you have one vote.
It can either result in Obama re ellected or Rhomney ellected.  A vote for 3rd party may as well count for Obama.  So cast your vote, call me names and know you helped to ruin the country with the re ellection of the greater evil.

Just because YOU don't have the moral fortitude to stand up and refuse to vote for evil,  is no reason for you to try to excuse your behaviour by accusing others of supporting it because they won't vote for evil.

That's all you are saying, over and over again!



There is no "lesser" here, they are just evil.........you agree, but you will still vote for evil.

There is and you can keep telling your self that you are above this but by either picking a 3rd canditate or by not voting you have picked.  that is what you fail to see.  No matter what you say you have picked one of the evils.  You have picked a gun grabber.
Look at this ellection as someone holding a gun to you.
 You are in a corner. 
If you stand still you will be killed to your right you are against a wall and to your left is open space.
If you dive to your left you will be wounded.
What choice do you take? Stand still?
Move right = standing still and moving left may hurt but you can recover.
This is how I see this ellection.  You may want to move right but it is the same as standing still and waiting for the bullet.

[R.W.Dale]

Anyone claiming to be a realist should have no problem coming to the conclusion that Romney has as good as lost this election. As this or any other discussion on this subject illustrates Romney has no base voting block. His only chance for election is to out Obama Obama for his voters.  I'm sorry to break it to ya but this  actually happening is pie in the sky fantasy pure n simple

As unpopular as o is he actually has higher favorable numbers than Romney and the two candidates unfavorable numbers are within the margin for error.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/obama_romney_favorable_unfavorable.html

Combine this with the fact that O has and is raising money 10 - 1 over Romney with the Chicago machine still in the garage just getting warmed up for the general  and the outcome becomes clear.

Romney is as unelectable as Paul.

Now this is where our ONLY choice comes into play. If we (the base) say no more and refrain from voting fror this yahoo and make him lose in a landslide fashion I'll guarantee we'll get a less evil candidates in four years.

But if you want to maintain the current downward spiral by all means vote R and tell youreslf you're making a difference.

[mcwoodduck]

And no desicion is still a desicion.
This ellection is going to come down to voting for Obama or against him.
The big things we have going for us is that no matter how bad Rhomney is and how much like Obama he is the Democrats will fail to act on his proposals even if they further their goals so he does nto get credit for them.
The News media will stand up and actually report again so that he will not get credit for his socialist actions.

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the repulikons [like that word]  have but one plan


to beat the democrats......reed pilozy obumer


not necessarily  the best plan


but it is a far better plan than ANY that will have us loose to the dumbocrats

[mcwoodduck]

Now this is where our ONLY choice comes into play. If we (the base) say no more and refrain from voting fror this yahoo and make him lose in a landslide fashion I'll guarantee we'll get a less evil candidates in four years.

The Base did that with Dole.
Some opted out and said they would vote when the GOP put up a conservitive candidate, others voted for Perot.  Either way someone far left of the moderate the GOP put up was ellected.
The Left has had the Mao comment of a journy of a thousand miles starts with a single step.  The left understands incramentalism.  They do what they can to move their goals be it a little or alot.  The right does not.  The right does not understand that it is not a Tball game and every one gets a swing at bat.
The left understands it is a football game and continue to try to gain yardage with every play even if they loose ground.
Staying out of the ellection process is exactly what they want.  They get to ignore you and the right gets to ignore you and it cotinues to move the ball down the field for them.  Ellecting the less socialist president of the two will help as long as we also send TEA party people to washington for congress and the senate.
If we are part of the reason he is ellected we can have a say in who he appoints we can have a say in moving that ball back to the constitution and off the communist 30 yard line.
Stay home, have no say in what happens, know you did nothing to try and stop the greater of the evils facing our country.  Give the left exactly what they want.  You not to vote, sit on the side line and they can move not incramentally but by leaps and bounds.

[R.W.Dale]

the repulikons [like that word]  have but one plan


to beat the democrats......reed pilozy obumer


not necessarily  the best plan


but it is a far better plan than ANY that will have us loose to the dumbocrats

Democrats BAD Republicans GOOD

 This is the kind of thinking that's brought us to this sad sad state of affairs.

[Dixie Dude]

If enough TEA party cantidates win in the house and senate, they will hold Romney accountable.
 
Romney would be better for the economy.  He is more of a pragmatist.  He did what he had to do to win in Mass.  His church doesn't agree with abortion, nor homosexuality.  He is an elder in his church.  So I am assuming he personally doesn't agree, but being a pragmatist will try to get the "best" people for certain jobs.  I am against homosexuality, but I can work with them IF they don't PUSH their agenda.  Republican homosexuals usually do not push their agenda, but are fiscally conservative. 
 
Right now, the number 1 thing to fix in America is the economy.  When people have good jobs and are making money, then we can push to fix the other problems. 
 
I think Paul, Gingrich, and Santorum, would be wise to PUSH to get at least some of their planks in the Republican platform.  Romney to keep the party united would give in and let certain planks be in the platform.  I know in one of the debates, he agreed with Paul about going back to the gold standard.  He even has $500,000 in gold assets.  So he does know something about the economy. 
 
I did not vote for Romney, but Paul in the primary.  But, I will support Romney because the true communist/socialist Obama will completely destroy our economy, our culture,  everything, so he can mold it the way he thinks it should be.  Romney would try to take us back to the old fashioned values that made our country great.  Like I said on a scale of 1-10, Romney rates 6 or 7.  Obama is a 0.  Yes Paul was about a 9 in my book, but a 6 or 7 beats a zero any day.   

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the repulikons [like that word]  have but one plan


to beat the democrats......reed pilozy obumer


not necessarily  the best plan


but it is a far better plan than ANY that will have us loose to the dumbocrats

Democrats BAD Republicans GOOD

 This is the kind of thinking that's brought us to this sad sad state of affairs.

no argument there


yesterday a freind was complaining about the 2 choices we had
i ask him who  he voted for in the primaries and what party he was registered to?
he told me he was registered  ''INDEPENTENT'' with pride
here in florida you only voting within your registered party
so i pointed out  how he was complaining yet not doing anything to make better choices


but who am i to talk...i was in the libertarian party for 20 years
didn't vote in a primary untill 2 years after i was forced to  vote MCCAIN to stop obumer

[R.W.Dale]

You Romney supporters seem to labor under some false assumption that not selling out everything you stand for = not taking part in the process at all.

Come November I can vote for lots of freedom loving candidates without selling out everything I stand for in a misguided vote for an unelectable lighter complected Obama.

Its not like I do have a say in who gets nominated to run anyhow. My vote quite literally doesn't count in the primary. 

[R.W.Dale]

the repulikons [like that word]  have but one plan


to beat the democrats......reed pilozy obumer


not necessarily  the best plan


but it is a far better plan than ANY that will have us loose to the dumbocrats

Democrats BAD Republicans GOOD

 This is the kind of thinking that's brought us to this sad sad state of affairs.

no argument there


yesterday a freind was complaining about the 2 choices we had
i ask him who  he voted for in the primaries and what party he was registered to?
he told me he was registered  ''INDEPENTENT'' with pride
here in florida you only voting within your registered party
so i pointed out  how he was complaining yet not doing anything to make better choices


but who am i to talk...i was in the libertarian party for 20 years
didn't vote in a primary untill 2 years after i was forced to  vote MCCAIN to stop obumer

QUIT COMPLAINING! many myself included don't even get to vote in the primaries till all the candidates but the presumed winner have dropped out! We don't have a choice! My primary isn't for another MONTH!

Close to half the country has no say in the primary process at all because states like yours feel like they have to be special and keep moving their primary up.

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dale
 its asshame you have to live  in a state like that
 what about the local law makers can they chage things


their are better choices  over obumer or romnee


but  only romnee or obummer will win


and all the other votes are THE SAME AS NOT VOTING
it just leaves you pride intact


what  is up with the TEA party??
they had a lot of momentum...then died........while the republicrats march on

[R.W.Dale]

dale
 its asshame you have to live  in a state like that
 what about the local law makers can they chage things

Yeah that's been tried and when it happens Florida and similar simply move their primary up even farther from the general.


Only Obama will win don't kid yourself. Romney is only the best chosen loser.

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maybe its time for a push  for  ''ONE DAY PRIMARY''


 and  no  cross party voting....[known as operation kaos to  rush fans]

[R.W.Dale]

maybe its time for a push  for  ''ONE DAY PRIMARY''


 and  no  cross party voting....[known as operation kaos to  rush fans]

I'm with you on a national primary but not on the no cross party restrictions.

I'm not a member of nor should I be required to vote straight party lines. The idea that both parties don't have folks that need to go is absurd

[mcwoodduck]

maybe its time for a push  for  ''ONE DAY PRIMARY''


 and  no  cross party voting....[known as operation kaos to  rush fans]

I'm with you on a national primary but not on the no cross party restrictions.

I'm not a member of nor should I be required to vote straight party lines. The idea that both parties don't have folks that need to go is absurd

The primary is for the party.
You do not want people that are die hard liberals registered as Democrats or Communists voting for the conservitive candidate same as the communist party would not want me to vote for their candidate.
Maybe we have such crappy candidates in the GOP because everyone votes and picks the best looser and not the Ronald Regan of the party because the enemy can vote for your candidate.
My Grandfather was a registered Democrat in MD only because it was the only way to vote in the state for any thing in a primary.
He always voted and tried ot get support for the most conservitive candidate.

[45-70.gov]

the primary is where the party nominates a candidate


do you want half the republicrats deciding  who the libertarian party will nominate???