The Official Lesser of Two Evils List

[R.W.Dale]

If they do they forfeit the opportunity to choose their own candidates. Honestly you guys seem to forget the presidential primarily is only ONE race amongst many important local and national races.

I don't vote a straight party ticket. In local races especally there's many occasions where I'll vote for the Democrat who needs elected where there is no opponent on the other ticket.

This two party system is primarily what's wrong with this country. A locked primary just reinforces the parties stranglehold and limits my freedom to choose.

We have such crappy GOP candidates because unlike the Democratic party the Republicans will not endorse or favor a candidate in a primary run. Even if its a well respected conservitive incumbent having a card carrying socialist opponent. As far as the GOP is concerned paying dues and winning an election are the ONLY requirements for membership.

[mcwoodduck]

If they do they forfeit the opportunity to choose their own candidates. Honestly you guys seem to forget the presidential primarily is only ONE race amongst many important local and national races.

I don't vote a straight party ticket. In local races especally there's many occasions where I'll vote for the Democrat who needs elected where there is no opponent on the other ticket.

This two party system is primarily what's wrong with this country. A locked primary just reinforces the parties stranglehold and limits my freedom to choose.

We have such crappy GOP candidates because unlike the Democratic party the Republicans will not endorse or favor a candidate in a primary run. Even if its a well respected conservitive incumbent having a card carrying socialist opponent. As far as the GOP is concerned paying dues and winning an election are the ONLY requirements for membership.

The whole idea of the primary is to figure out what candidagte has the best ideas and can draw in the most votes of the party.
At the Republican convention the party sits down and will come up with a party platform.  The things the party will stand for in the ellection, reasons why a voter should vote for the party candidates. 
Why would the pary endorse a candiate as they are tryingto pick one?
It would be like saying we are trying to figure out what truck we want to buy,  As long as it is brand X we are good.  It would be like the party officials picking the candidate and then why have a primary?

[R.W.Dale]

If they do they forfeit the opportunity to choose their own candidates. Honestly you guys seem to forget the presidential primarily is only ONE race amongst many important local and national races.

I don't vote a straight party ticket. In local races especally there's many occasions where I'll vote for the Democrat who needs elected where there is no opponent on the other ticket.

This two party system is primarily what's wrong with this country. A locked primary just reinforces the parties stranglehold and limits my freedom to choose.

We have such crappy GOP candidates because unlike the Democratic party the Republicans will not endorse or favor a candidate in a primary run. Even if its a well respected conservitive incumbent having a card carrying socialist opponent. As far as the GOP is concerned paying dues and winning an election are the ONLY requirements for membership.

The whole idea of the primary is to figure out what candidagte has the best ideas and can draw in the most votes of the party.
At the Republican convention the party sits down and will come up with a party platform.  The things the party will stand for in the ellection, reasons why a voter should vote for the party candidates. 
Why would the pary endorse a candiate as they are tryingto pick one?
It would be like saying we are trying to figure out what truck we want to buy,  As long as it is brand X we are good.  It would be like the party officials picking the candidate and then why have a primary?

The point of a party is to advance an agenda.

The dens do that through primary endorsement when need be.

The Republicans do not.

Who do you think is at disadvantage there?

[mcwoodduck]

No the DemoRats did the same thing when it was between Hillary and Obama and it was the voters in the primary that picked what candidate they wanted.
 

[R.W.Dale]

No the DemoRats did the same thing when it was between Hillary and Obama and it was the voters in the primary that picked what candidate they wanted.

Is that what they did when they ran someone against and defeated leibermann in a primary race?

Either Hillary or Obama suited their ends just fine in 08

[45-70.gov]

If they do they f,,,,,,,.....

We have such crappy GOP candidates because unlike the Democratic party the Republicans will not endorse or favor a candidate in a primary run. Even if its a well respected conservitive incumbent having a card carrying socialist opponent. As far as the GOP is concerned paying dues and winning an election are the ONLY requirements for membership.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THE PEOPLE PICK THE CANDIDATE IN THE PRIMARY???

[R.W.Dale]

If they do they f,,,,,,,.....

We have such crappy GOP candidates because unlike the Democratic party the Republicans will not endorse or favor a candidate in a primary run. Even if its a well respected conservitive incumbent having a card carrying socialist opponent. As far as the GOP is concerned paying dues and winning an election are the ONLY requirements for membership.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THE PEOPLE PICK THE CANDIDATE IN THE PRIMARY???

Of course but lets not be niave here and give your average voter too much credit. Money wins elections! If you have the green and can keep your name out there you can win elections pretty much irregardless of your stance on issues or values.

This isn't a problem for the Dems because they activity weed out the DINO's. Its a problem for Republicans because they don't have a mechanism to ensure candidates on their side fall in with the party ideology. You have the dues? "HECK YEAH YOU CAN RUN ON OUR TICKET"!!! is the Republican viewpoint.

HENCE our sorry canidates today becausr we get all the rejects from the Democratic party (who was a Democrat once?) And we have these rich floaters who wont flush down clinging on only because of the massive amounts of cash they're able to pump into the system mining for votes from folks who really don't care enough to be informed.

Make no mistake about it though money = votes

[Casull]

HENCE our sorry canidates today becausr we get all the rejects from the Democratic party (who was a Democrat once?)

 
 
 
Ummm, Ronald Reagan.

[R.W.Dale]

HENCE our sorry canidates today becausr we get all the rejects from the Democratic party (who was a Democrat once?)

 
 
 
Ummm, Ronald Reagan.

I was ten years old when he left office. A lot has changed in the 32 years since he beat Carter. We're talking about today's reality.

Notice that you never hear an acronym for Democrats In Name Only! I wonder why?

[Casull]

Notice that you never hear an acronym for Democrats In Name Only! I wonder why?

 
 
Maybe because from moderate to far left nutjob, they stick together as democrats.

[45-70.gov]

one more thought  on closed primaries


obumer  is not running against any one


so democrats in open primary states[LIKE GA] i would imagine voted for  O'ROMNEE


4 years ago  i was at a libertaian party meeting
they were going to vote in  new party officers
only myself and one other were actually registered libertarians
all others had switched parties to vote  PAUL in the republican primary


my county  is 75% republican  so the local election is actually determined in the primaries
when  i moved  here it was 80% democrat..........thank you mr. klinton


as  far  as bashing the 2 party system
what laws can you propose that wouldn't be worse?
what laws that would not  infringe  on  FREEDOM?
would you limit the size of the party to 10% of the voters?
once a party reaces a certain size....no more can join?
you officially have 3 parties........then 2 of them work to keep out the third?
incase  no one noticed.....the 2 major parties  do work together to stop ANY third party
the 2 parties being so much alike  have one positive effect......stability
true.. o'romnee is not much better than obumer........but he is better..
.and those  ARE the only choices

[mcwoodduck]

one more thought  on closed primaries


obumer  is not running against any one


so democrats in open primary states[LIKE GA] i would imagine voted for  O'ROMNEE


4 years ago  i was at a libertaian party meeting
they were going to vote in  new party officers
only myself and one other were actually registered libertarians
all others had switched parties to vote  PAUL in the republican primary


my county  is 75% republican  so the local election is actually determined in the primaries
when  i moved  here it was 80% democrat..........thank you mr. klinton


as  far  as bashing the 2 party system
what laws can you propose that wouldn't be worse?
what laws that would not  infringe  on  FREEDOM?
would you limit the size of the party to 10% of the voters?
once a party reaces a certain size....no more can join?
you officially have 3 parties........then 2 of them work to keep out the third?
incase  no one noticed.....the 2 major parties  do work together to stop ANY third party
the 2 parties being so much alike  have one positive effect......stability
true.. o'romnee is not much better than obumer........but he is better..
.and those  ARE the only choices

Actually there are more parties than the three,
You are forgetting the Green Party, the American Communist party and the Independant party.  All three are left of the democrats.  But with the left they understand that they need to stick togetehr and will vote for who ever is furtherst left.  Unlike the right who look left and say no to either.
What gets me is after an ellection if the left looses they scream that they should have a voice in the government and act like spoiled children until they are given something to make the settle down.  the right does not do this.  We are ignored.

[Cuts Crooked]

What gets me is after an ellection if the left looses they scream that they should have a voice in the government and act like spoiled children until they are given something to make the settle down.  the right does not do this.  We are ignored.

Nah, the "right" (read republikan party) just jumps right into bed with the left. Witness the recent bill signed into law giving the Secret Service the authority to arrest anyone protesting against the president..........How many republikans voted against it?

[mcwoodduck]

What gets me is after an ellection if the left looses they scream that they should have a voice in the government and act like spoiled children until they are given something to make the settle down.  the right does not do this.  We are ignored.

Nah, the "right" (read republikan party) just jumps right into bed with the left. Witness the recent bill signed into law giving the Secret Service the authority to arrest anyone protesting against the president..........How many republikans voted against it?

Yea Yea, We know you mantra.
What you fail to understand is the degree of socialism.  Anyone to the left of you is a commie and shold not be voted for.
Let me ask you this.
If you owned a steak house and it was a good one making money.
And I was not a customer and demanded you make freid chicken and I would come to your steak house would you make it or tell me no?

[Cuts Crooked]

Depends on if there is money to be made in chicken.

Which doesn't change the simple fact that the repubikan party has become another socialist stronghold.
"Degree of socialism"? Is that like the degree of evil?

Notice you didn't deny the above, you just felt a need to try to belittle my observation.

[Casull]

"Degree of socialism"? Is that like the degree of evil?

 
 
Yes.  Since RP has his own warts, he is also a lesser evil.  Something absolutists sometimes forget.

[Cuts Crooked]

"Degree of socialism"? Is that like the degree of evil?

 
 
Yes.  Since RP has his own warts, he is also a lesser evil.  Something absolutists sometimes forget.

Oh yeah, I forgot, you don't like people who are not war mongers. You think that socialist, gun grabbing, baby killers are better. So you drag out labels like absolutists to hep soothe your feelings.

[Cabin4]

Well, all of this really means nothing. What we know for sure is come November, about 100 million people will go to the poles. If obama is reelected, we'll know who to thank for it.

[Cuts Crooked]

Well, all of this really means nothing. What we know for sure is come November, about 100 million people will go to the poles. If obama is reelected, we'll know who to thank for it.

Yup! ROMNEY!!!!!!!!!!!

[mcwoodduck]

Depends on if there is money to be made in chicken.

Which doesn't change the simple fact that the repubikan party has become another socialist stronghold.
"Degree of socialism"? Is that like the degree of evil?

Notice you didn't deny the above, you just felt a need to try to belittle my observation.

NO ,
My point is that they have a plan and they are moving forward with their proposal.
And much like the restaraunt, demanding them to do somethng with out buying anything they are going to ignore you.
The Republican Party sees you the same way, why listen to you if you are not going to vote for their candidate.
You would and the rest of us would have more input if we voted for their candidate.
What you also fail to understand is the "main strean" Republican party officials, prevoiously called the Rochefeller wing are limo liberals.  Ronald Reagan ignored them and spoke to the people and had uplifting anti socioalist things to say that made people want to listen to him.  He said the truth and did not mire it in legaleze that turns people off.
Asking a thought provoking question to a group would help a cadidate.  like
Why do the Unions want the Democrats to be in officve when the Democrats oppose Manufacturing, building, refining, mining, drilling and transportations, all Middle class union jobs?  Why would they want ot limit the scope of the jobs that have made this country great?

[R.W.Dale]

Well, all of this really means nothing. What we know for sure is come November, about 100 million people will go to the poles. If obama is reelected, we'll know who to thank for it.

Kerry....Romney has already lost by virtue of being a candidate. This tired plastic lawnchair of a politician couldn't beat McCain last go around what makes you think he can beat the guy McCain lost to.

Keep living the dream fellas and telling yourselves Romney has a chance.

[mcwoodduck]

Well, all of this really means nothing. What we know for sure is come November, about 100 million people will go to the poles. If obama is reelected, we'll know who to thank for it.

Kerry....Romney has already lost by virtue of being a candidate. This tired plastic lawnchair of a politician couldn't beat McCain last go around what makes you think he can beat the guy McCain lost to.

Keep living the dream fellas and telling yourselves Romney has a chance.

THIS ELLECTION IS ABOUT OBAMA.
YOU EITHER VOTE FOR HIM OR VOTE AGAINST HIM!
Those are your two choices.
The NRA magazine laid out the Obama budget and how he is going after the 2nd amendment this year.  Remember Obama and Holder had a conversation about the second amendment.  "it may say guns but doesn't talk about a right to bullets"
They may not need to come for your guns if they take your ammo.  And yes Rhomney said Assault weapons, so far as I understand ti class three weapons are not allowed in Mass anyway.

[Cuts Crooked]

THIS ELLECTION IS ABOUT OBAMA.
YOU EITHER VOTE FOR HIM OR VOTE AGAINST HIM!
Those are your two choices.
The NRA magazine laid out the Obama budget and how he is going after the 2nd amendment this year.  Remember Obama and Holder had a conversation about the second amendment.  "it may say guns but doesn't talk about a right to bullets"
They may not need to come for your guns if they take your ammo.  And yes Rhomney said Assault weapons, so far as I understand ti class three weapons are not allowed in Mass anyway.

Geeze, you guy DO have short memories, don't you? Go look again at what weapons Romney outlawed permanently!

Oh my "YOU EITHER VOTE FOR HIM OR AGAINST HIM".....sounds a lot like "YOUR EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US". I seem to recall another group that took that stance.

[R.W.Dale]

THIS ELECTION IS DONE, ITS OVER, ROMNEY IS TOAST! The presidential election is a forgone conclusion.

As wildly unpopular as Obama is Romney has an EVEN LOWER approval rating. Obama is raising campaign contributions at a ratio of TEN yes TEN to one over Romney.

Quit pontificating about how much better Romney is. He's not and unlike Obama HE has the record to proove it. But none of that matters since Romney's stragety for election is to convince Obama voters he's a better Obama, can you guys not comprehend how politically stupid that is?


. Pick your senators and congressman carefully and stock up on ammo because  you "realists" are oblivious to the coming electoral beat down.

[Casull]

   

   Quote from: Casull on Today at 01:40:54 PM

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"Degree of socialism"? Is that like the degree of evil?

 
 
 
Yes.  Since RP has his own warts, he is also a lesser evil.  Something absolutists sometimes forget.

 
Oh yeah, I forgot, you don't like people who are not war mongers. You think that socialist, gun grabbing, baby killers are better. So you drag out labels like absolutists to hep soothe your feelings.

       So, Cuts crooked, are you saying RP has no warts?  Is he not a lesser evil (unless you're saying he is a greater evil)?

[Cuts Crooked]

   

   Quote from: Casull on Today at 01:40:54 PM

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"Degree of socialism"? Is that like the degree of evil?

 
 
Yes.  Since RP has his own warts, he is also a lesser evil.  Something absolutists sometimes forget.

 
 So, Cuts crooked, are you saying RP has no warts?  Is he not a lesser evil (unless you're saying he is a greater evil)?

Geeze, short memories around here these days   This was addressed a long time ago. Try the search feature.
 
(Hint: by comparison RP is........)

[Singleshotsam]

If obama is reelected, we'll know who to thank for it.

There's no IF Obama gets reelected.  He will have a second term and it will be because the Republicans chose a candidate that could not unite the party. 
 
It's as simple as that.

[R.W.Dale]

If obama is reelected, we'll know who to thank for it.

There's no IF Obama gets reelected.  He will have a second term and it will be because OF THE HALF OF US WHO GOT TO VOTE the Republicans chose a candidate that could not unite the party. 
 
It's as simple as that.

I fixed it

[45-70.gov]

Well, all of this really means nothing. What we know for sure is come November, about 100 million people will go to the poles. If obama is reelected, we'll know who to thank for it.

Kerry....Romney has already lost by virtue of being a candidate. This tired plastic lawnchair of a politician couldn't beat McCain last go around what makes you think he can beat the guy McCain lost to.

Keep living the dream fellas and telling yourselves Romney has a chance.

i find very depressing to read your post


and  its sad you are so correct

one more thought  on closed primaries


obumer  is not running against any one


so democrats in open primary states[LIKE GA] i would imagine voted for  O'ROMNEE


4 years ago  i was at a libertaian party meeting
they were going to vote in  new party officers
only myself and one other were actually registered libertarians
all others had switched parties to vote  PAUL in the republican primary


my county  is 75% republican  so the local election is actually determined in the primaries
when  i moved  here it was 80% democrat..........thank you mr. klinton


as  far  as bashing the 2 party system
what laws can you propose that wouldn't be worse?
what laws that would not  infringe  on  FREEDOM?
would you limit the size of the party to 10% of the voters?
once a party reaces a certain size....no more can join?
you officially have 3 parties........then 2 of them work to keep out the third?
incase  no one noticed.....the 2 major parties  do work together to stop ANY third party
the 2 parties being so much alike  have one positive effect......stability
true.. o'romnee is not much better than obumer........but he is better..
.and those  ARE the only choices

Actually there are more parties than the three,
You are forgetting the Green Party, the American Communist party and the Independant party.  All three are left of the democrats.  But with the left they understand that they need to stick togetehr and will vote for who ever is furtherst left.  Unlike the right who look left and say no to either.
What gets me is after an ellection if the left looses they scream that they should have a voice in the government and act like spoiled children until they are given something to make the settle down.  the right does not do this.  We are ignored.

by  THIRD PARTY  i am refering to  any party other than dem  or rep


sorta  like  the term THIRD WORLD ...... totally irrelavent

[blind ear]

Looks like everyone is holding pat. The election of whomever will initiate "change", or not, and we will continue to sink without a drastic twist of fate. ear