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Re: The Official Lesser of Two Evils List
« Reply #120 on: April 10, 2012, 09:50:32 AM »
Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum suspends his campaign, :o
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« Reply #121 on: April 10, 2012, 10:01:22 AM »
Thanx Matt.
 
Mcwoodduck, would you liek to add to that? :-*
Sure you have 5 clips of How many years of service?
If you replace Ron with Rand I will vote Paul.
But his Speaches do not reflect his actions on the congressional floor.
Where are the bills the amendments the action to stop the left and their silly bills to socalize the country?
Now As I have said.  I would vote for Ron Paul if he can gather the support of the people in the party, he can not.  Maybe the wrong Paul was running. 
And Ron will envoke the Framers and then disagree with the same actions Jefferson took to protect our trade
 

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Re: The Official Lesser of Two Evils List
« Reply #122 on: April 10, 2012, 11:53:56 AM »
Let me see..Satan or Obama....anyone but Obama.

 
Spooky!


Very very spooky!


With all your anybody but Obama comments I wanted to ask you who between Satan and Obama. I couldn't do it, feeling that would be going over the top. Were you reading my mind? Do I need to line my hat with tinfoil?
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Re: The Official Lesser of Two Evils List
« Reply #123 on: April 10, 2012, 12:16:30 PM »
IMO Obama is as bad as satan.  Anybody but Obama.....
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« Reply #124 on: April 10, 2012, 02:48:55 PM »
Yup! SPOOKY!!!!!!

And now we can all see how got where we are today!
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Re: The Official Lesser of Two Evils List
« Reply #125 on: April 10, 2012, 03:02:06 PM »
It wasn't by failing to adapt.
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Re: The Official Lesser of Two Evils List
« Reply #126 on: April 10, 2012, 04:51:42 PM »
we don't have some class envy do we??

Nope, but there is no way in hell I would vote a lying Billionaire in as PoTUS.


 


first off, he's not a billionaire, just millionaire. and since he can get along nicely on what he has "which he earned" he won't be as susceptable to bribes as mere thousandaires.
 

First off, you should try doing your own research for a change then you might have a clue.
Romney reported he was worth 250 million dollars.
He also reported returns of 20 million on his investments which would mean he is getting 8% on his 250 million... I CALL BS!
He claims to hold passive 10 year notes which the interest rate is around 2% on.
So if he is really only worth 250 million then his return should have been 5 million max not the 20 million he had to claim. So now there you have it HE IS WORTH AT LEAST 1 BILLION and maybe even more if the truth was told.


 

It's obvious that RP is not going to be the nominee, so why can't we come together and try to defeat a man with known communist links.  this country could go from a republic to something like the old USSR in a matter of months.

Why does anyone want that? ??? ??? ?

oh, and the moral in IGs poem is lost on most folks...
It is also obvious that the people backing Romney are the same who backed Obama but yet this fact seems to escape all you Romney supporters. If you want another Banker Owned President then vote Romney or Obama but if you want to know your vote went to someone with the best interest of the Country in mind then DON'T vote for those puppets.
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Re: The Official Lesser of Two Evils List
« Reply #127 on: April 10, 2012, 05:28:05 PM »
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First off, you should try doing your own research for a change then you might have a clue.
Romney reported he was worth 250 million dollars.
He also reported returns of 20 million on his investments which would mean he is getting 8% on his 250 million... I CALL BS!
He claims to hold passive 10 year notes which the interest rate is around 2% on.
So if he is really only worth 250 million then his return should have been 5 million max not the 20 million he had to claim. So now there you have it HE IS WORTH AT LEAST 1 BILLION and maybe even more if the truth was told.

 
 
Leaping to conclusions?  Did Romney claim that ALL his 250 million dollars is invested in notes which earn a paltry 2% return?  If so, he definitely would not be your typical millionaire.  I don't think your "proof" would ever stand up in court (even the court of public opinion).
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« Reply #128 on: April 10, 2012, 06:23:11 PM »
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First off, you should try doing your own research for a change then you might have a clue.
Romney reported he was worth 250 million dollars.
He also reported returns of 20 million on his investments which would mean he is getting 8% on his 250 million... I CALL BS!
He claims to hold passive 10 year notes which the interest rate is around 2% on.
So if he is really only worth 250 million then his return should have been 5 million max not the 20 million he had to claim. So now there you have it HE IS WORTH AT LEAST 1 BILLION and maybe even more if the truth was told.

 
 
Leaping to conclusions?  Did Romney claim that ALL his 250 million dollars is invested in notes which earn a paltry 2% return?  If so, he definitely would not be your typical millionaire.  I don't think your "proof" would ever stand up in court (even the court of public opinion).
You pay taxes on what you make, not on what you are worth.
And if Rhomney is a Billionaire, good for him.  He earned it and Paid taxes on it and has used it to invest and create jobs.  Yes he made money killing companies but that is all part of Darwin Economics.  The strong companies thrive the weak are bought up and sold when the parts are worth more than the company or the company becomes obsolete.  My Father Owned a company called IBM International Banding Machine that he bought from his company.  The palletized goods and used a metal strap to secure those goods.  The banding machines became cheap and fewer people used the company.  Dan Bought the company and sold the Logo to IBM as they had been using it.  He used the profits to fund pension plans for the two guys in their early 60's so they could retire and bridge the gap for the 3 to 6 years and I think used the rest to send me to school.  But when the reciepts of the company no longer were worth the pay of the two guys the comapny had to go even though it was about 100 years old at the time.  The machines and if I remember one of the guys went to a company around the corner and were used there.

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Re: The Official Lesser of Two Evils List
« Reply #129 on: April 10, 2012, 10:24:26 PM »
In an interview with Jorge Ramos Mitt Romney claimed he is worth between $150 million to 200 million dollars. http://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2012/01/mitt-romney-says-net-worth-about-million/QYUE2XtKi7rrMubEGYrnwL/index.html
But lets not forget that Romney is the founding CEO of Bain Capital which is one of the largest private equity firms in the world according to  a documentary that Newt Gingrich's PAC ran in South Carolina and the value of Bain was put at $65 billion dollars.

Founding CEOs usually retain ownership of a large number of shares in the firms that they create. For example, Microsoft is worth $219 billion, and Bill Gates is worth $59 billion.

Assuming that Romney owns 10 percent of Bain he would have a net worth of $6.5 billion. I find Romney's claim that he is worth $200 million, or 0.3 percent of the value of Bain, to be laughable. But even if I am wrong and he is worth $200 million, that would still make him the richest President in American history.

America is the land of Free Enterprise, and any person has the right to make as much money as he wants, as long as he does not ask middle-class American taxpayers to bail him or his buddies out when their deals go sour which Romney is all for.

And I will not even get into his offshore holdings. All I can say is that some folks will swallow just about if not anything for the GOP and I just don't understand why.


The only logic I can find is that some of you feel that Obama if re-elected would be unfettered and go for the throat of America. I can understand why that thought might cross someones mind but not why they would make it the backbone of their ideology that Romney would be better.  All I can come up with is that some people still think that the President makes his own decisions on most of the issues which is not the case. If this was the case then there would not be the need for teleprompter for short speeches yet there is. I have positions on a whole lot of different issues and when I talk about them in casual conversations I do not need to refer to my notes.
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Re: The Official Lesser of Two Evils List
« Reply #130 on: April 10, 2012, 11:59:05 PM »
  There will be just two men to choose from, come November.  Anybody seeking that office is likely better of financially than most of us. 
    Some (career politicians) got their's through their office, financial finagling and "making deals".
 
  Others who have been nothing more than mouthpieces for "puppet masters"..have their luxurious homes and millions under the table to sustain them.
 
  We have long tried bringing people up from the senate or house to fill that office..not a sterling record.
 
  Perhaps it is time we had a real businessman in office.  One who knows how to be CEO and keep the bottom line solvent.
  He would know better than to put our tax dollars into things like Volt, Solyndra, Advanced battery and a thousand other failed.."pie-in-the-sky' ventures.  He likely would know better than to have government gamble with our tax monies in the first place.
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« Reply #131 on: April 11, 2012, 01:32:29 AM »
matt, I did my research.  mitt is not a billionaire.  but you are ASSUMING that he is.
liberals are jealous of people who have become millionaires and don't share with their causes.
this seems to be the feeling of many RP supporters.  class envy....
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« Reply #132 on: April 11, 2012, 02:44:50 AM »
We need to keep this a 2 party election.  To write in Mickey Mouse or whoever else one thinks is a better choice or as a way of voicing an opinion simply makes it better for the incumbent.  We know who the incumbent is and we don't want him in again.  Romney sometimes reminds me of John Kerry with his pretending to be something or someone he's not, ie a gun owner/hunter, but given the choices, he's #1 with me now.

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« Reply #133 on: April 11, 2012, 03:24:27 AM »

Nope, but there is no way in hell I would vote a lying Billionaire in as PoTUS.

not a billionaire..... he is a millionaire. Ron Paul is a millionaire.  that puts them on the same footing, lying millionaire politicians.
but either one is better than our current communist prez.

btw, he may have given his Bain fortune to the church.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mitt-romney-millions-mormon-church/story?id=15380149#.T4WG1tlKPt0
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« Reply #134 on: April 11, 2012, 05:05:01 AM »
  Expect the anti-God lefties to try stirring up Evangelical Christians against Romney, because he's a Mormon.. Mormons have values..that's more than I can say about secularists (that's why most are secularists..they can't stand morality)
 Well, that leaves us a choice between a Mormon with Romney... Or at best a radical racist who sat and listened to Rev Jeremiah (G-- d--n America) Wright for 20 years; or at worst a radical Muslim, who wants to "fundamentally change" our nation.
 
  We will be voting for a president, not a pastor....  and given that choice..I'll vote for the Mormon !
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« Reply #135 on: April 11, 2012, 05:30:33 AM »
IG, I agree, Ron Paul has $250 million in gold alone.  Money isn't the issue, it is a diversion by the left.  Birth control isn't the issue, it is also a diversion by the left.  Who would be BETTER, not who would be BEST for America at this time?  I think Romney would apply Paul Rands budget to get spending and taxes under control.  This would allow business to prosper again in America, and would help everyone.  Romney knows we are headed over a clift.  He will have a BETTER way to deal with it.  He even agreed with Ron Paul about the gold standard, which would go a long way in stabilising the dollar.  Romney has $500 million in gold assets.   Now, most if this gold from both sides are for their "retirements" and for their children and grandchildren.  Mormans also believe in "prepping" so he would be better at getting America "prepped" for any contingency.  Obama is a communist/socialist or at least a Fabian socialist.  Socialism will destroy America like it did England.  After WWII, England voted out Churchill and voted themselves a socialist who gave them health care, along with a lot of other social safety nets.  This brought England down from a pre-WWII superpower to a second rate power.  Germany got their industry back up and running to give people jobs, then later rebuilt their infrastructure after 1955.  Germany did this with far less Marshall aid than England, who got the lions share.  Germany today is far more capitalist and wealthy than England.  England was on par with Germany before WWII.  Japan also adapted capitalism and prospered.  China today is adapting far more capitalist ideals than even America, and are prospering.  India adapted socialism after WWII following Englands example.  In the 1990's they loosened up their socialism and now their economy is growing under capitalism.  Romney is FAR from the ideal conservative cantidate, but FAR better than Obama.  Obama in my book on a scale of 1-10 is no more than a 1.  Romney is at least a 6 or 7.  Ron Paul being maybe a 9.  So on my scale, at least Romney passes. 

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« Reply #136 on: April 11, 2012, 06:57:49 AM »
In this presidential election my vote will go to the republican nominee, and if that happens to be Paul, I will hold my nose ,try to keep from puking and vote for him.
This is not the year for 3rd party antics, and I consider anyone that would do anything to risk putting Obama back in office as a traitor to this nation and the prinicples it was founded on.All that one needs do is look back thru history to see what has happened with a 3rd party. Teddy Roosevelt gave us Woodrow Wilson, Ross Perot gave us Bill Clinton twice. A third party candidate this year will likely be the last vote you ever get to cast, as it will surely mean Obama for ever.
Votes do have consequences and anybody going to vote needs to think about the consequences of that vote.
Once past this election if a 3rd party can emerge with sensible platforms and sane individuals in the fore front then that's different, but this time anyone who gives a damn about this country needs to work very hard to get Obama out, and if they have democratic legislators in DC they need to work very hard to replace those with republican or at least independants with anti democrat leanings.
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« Reply #137 on: April 11, 2012, 08:57:08 AM »
The only way a 3rd party can become viable is for "grass roots" support.  This is what the Tea Party started out as.  Now if you guys who want to vote Libertarian or Constitution, that is fine.  However, how about starting with sheriffs, county commissioners, city councels, mayors, state representatives and state senators, then work up to state wide elections of senators, US representatives, governors.  Once the viability is established, a 3rd party can and will work.  Lincoln was the first Republican.  He ran against two Democrats (one southern, one northern), and a Whig.  The Electoral college had to vote 3-4 times before they picked Lincoln for him to have majority.  If I remember the Wigg dropped out first and gave his support to Lincoln, then the northern Democrat who backed Lincoln.  The then new Republican party absorbed the old Wiggs and grew. 
 
Problem with Libertarians is most conservatives do not want drugs legalized.  They fear them and the consequences.  However, I think marijuana should be legal, taxed, and only purchased at state stores or package stores like alcohol, and limit it to 21 or over.  Over 500,000 people are in jail because of marijuana, not the other drugs.  Yes it might lead to harder drugs, but it already does.  A lot of Republicans are coming around on this issue. 
 
Romney might be 60% on my scale, like I said, but this is far better than what we have.  At least he is not Far, Far left. 

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« Reply #138 on: April 11, 2012, 09:28:06 AM »
This is all one needs to see to understand that ROMNEY is bought and paid for by those who want to keep the status quo. If you like where we are and where we are headed then Vote Romney if not then DON'T.


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« Reply #139 on: April 11, 2012, 10:01:27 AM »

This is not the year for 3rd party antics, and I consider anyone that would do anything to risk putting Obama back in office as a traitor to this nation
I agree 100%
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« Reply #140 on: April 11, 2012, 10:12:48 AM »

This is not the year for 3rd party antics, and I consider anyone that would do anything to risk putting Obama back in office as a traitor to this nation
I agree 100%

 
I consider anyone who votes for Obama or Romney to be a traitor to the constitution and the nation.
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« Reply #141 on: April 11, 2012, 10:26:57 AM »

This is not the year for 3rd party antics, and I consider anyone that would do anything to risk putting Obama back in office as a traitor to this nation
I agree 100%

 
I consider anyone who votes for Obama or Romney to be a traitor to the constitution and the nation.
has everyone been asleep for the last four years?  do you not see what this prez and done and what he intends to do?
another four years of the commie will result in one of two things, either a country that is disarmed and in servitude, or, an all-out revolution.
ya takes ya pick..........
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« Reply #142 on: April 11, 2012, 10:28:04 AM »

This is not the year for 3rd party antics, and I consider anyone that would do anything to risk putting Obama back in office as a traitor to this nation
I agree 100%

 
I consider anyone who votes for Obama or Romney to be a traitor to the constitution and the nation.

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #143 on: April 11, 2012, 10:36:01 AM »

This is not the year for 3rd party antics, and I consider anyone that would do anything to risk putting Obama back in office as a traitor to this nation
I agree 100%

 
I consider anyone who votes for Obama or Romney to be a traitor to the constitution and the nation.

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!
I'm starting to suspect that you might be one of obamas LEOs that would fire on civilians.
I hope it's not true.
so now, you know that obama will be reelected,  so what is your plan?
do you have a plan?
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« Reply #144 on: April 11, 2012, 10:54:08 AM »
What dif does it make if he's is a billionaire, a millionaire, a thousandaire or a poor slob? I thought we were voting for president.... I suppose if Paul was rich I'd have to dislike him.
 
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« Reply #145 on: April 11, 2012, 11:01:40 AM »

I'm starting to suspect that you might be one of obamas LEOs that would fire on civilians.
I hope it's not true.
so now, you know that obama will be reelected,  so what is your plan?
do you have a plan?

Oh that's just too cewl there Bug, trying to equate me, who hates BOTH Romney and Obama, as being some one who would engage in a vile act........that was disgusting and I would have thought it beneath you. But it appears that NOTHING is beneath you. Vile!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No wonder so many people don't want to vote for O'romboy with supporters that nasty who wants to be associated with them! :P
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Re: The Official Lesser of Two Evils List
« Reply #146 on: April 11, 2012, 11:08:56 AM »
CLASS ENVY.   I'm starting to think maybe the libs aren't the only ones who want to "spread the wealth".  the PAULers keep bringing up Romneys worth.
I've found three PAULers here that realize the consequences of another obama term.
y'all know who you are......
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Re: The Official Lesser of Two Evils List
« Reply #147 on: April 11, 2012, 11:11:54 AM »
CLASS ENVY.   I'm starting to think maybe the libs aren't the only ones who want to "spread the wealth".  the PAULers keep bringing up Romneys worth.
I've found three PAULers here that realize the consequences of another obama term.
y'all know who you are......

Yeah,and I'm not one of them...........but they aren't vile and disgusting in their remarks towards others here, are they?
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Re: The Official Lesser of Two Evils List
« Reply #148 on: April 11, 2012, 11:29:46 AM »
In one of the debates, each candidate was asked to say something nice about someone on stage.
they all did except RP.  when his turn came, he screwed up his face into a hateful mask and proceded to talk ugly about all the rest.
He is a hateful old man who demands that you think his way or you're some kind of ogre.
at the start of the campaign, I looked at him, but veered away from him, not because of him actually, but because of his followers.  they worshiped him like he was the messiah, and started calling names of those who disagreed with them.
He, and most of his followers are the last people I would want to be "in charge".
He also would be massacred in a debate with obama.  he would sull up and put on his ugly act if he had to answer tough questions or defend his lies and pork spending.
So, whats your plan??  mine is to keep working to improve things.
do you do anything besides complain?
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Re: The Official Lesser of Two Evils List
« Reply #149 on: April 11, 2012, 11:30:59 AM »
CLASS ENVY.   I'm starting to think maybe the libs aren't the only ones who want to "spread the wealth".  the PAULers keep bringing up Romneys worth.
I've found three PAULers here that realize the consequences of another obama term.
y'all know who you are......
Not sure why these supposed constitutional scholars have such a problem with someone that actually used his god given talents and earned some wealth.  Besides just what does it matter what a persons wealth is, Washington ,Jefferson, Adams ,Franklin and most of the other framers were very wealthy for their day.
I see alot of lower level labor types that support the fringe dingbats and dispise the folks that take the risks to venture the capitol to create the jobs that pay for those folks to live on. Maybe it's back to the "bit the hand that feeds you" thing.
 
In the 1920's "sheeple" was a term coined by the National Socialist Party in Germany to describe people that would not vote for Hitler. In the 1930's they held Hitler as the only one that would bring pride back to Germany and bring the budget and economy back.....