The Official Lesser of Two Evils List

[Lost Farmboy]

Well, all of this really means nothing. What we know for sure is come November, about 100 million people will go to the poles. If obama is reelected, we'll know who to thank for it.

Kerry....Romney has already lost by virtue of being a candidate. This tired plastic lawnchair of a politician couldn't beat McCain last go around what makes you think he can beat the guy McCain lost to.

Keep living the dream fellas and telling yourselves Romney has a chance.

Regan lost in the 1976 challenge to Ford and before that he lost to Nixon. Ford a moron and Nixon a criminal. He lost to both and later ran against another opponants in the 1980 primaries and won and he won the general election. Romney has so far taken the same route. He has one more victory to prove you 100% wrong. At this point the lawn chair has proven you wrong about 80%.....
 
So I guess what this means is, this is politics. Keep your eyes wide open.

 
So what's your point? Romney is no Reagan. Actually he is the original Obama. Reagan had a plan to turn the county around and a good one. Romney will continue Obama's policies. Yes, why have a copy when you can have the original?

[Matt]

You want to loose one gun or all?

Well I can tell you this... I sure as hell do not want to be comfortable with either one of your options. Are you comfortable giving up one class of  guns?
Matt

[Cuts Crooked]

OK so Romney is a gun grabber and went after assault rifle.  May be he doesn't understand that there are none in Mass maybe as a governer he unders tood states rights and went for his state.  Either way he went after a certain group of guns, not all gun as group, like Clinton did. 
Obama want to take all guns, not a small group, not a certain type, ALL.
So I understand you do not want ot give up any but of the two choices I would rather burry my AR for a few years and still be able to hunt and target shoot than have loose all of my guns to Obama's melters.
And i know you are going to state your mantra, and talk about Ron Paul ect.
But the reality is either Romney will win or you will help to re ellect Obama.
You want to loose one gun or all?

And there you have it, you are willing to give some freedom for the sake of security...what was it Ben Franklin said about that?

And the reality that the republican party, infiltrated by neocons and liberals, is what will ensure Oboys win. They did that when they left conservatism in the dirt for their chance at the trough with the liberals and for their chance at big money from years of war mongering pretending it was to protect America. (Are we any safer.........more important are we as free as we once were?)

No, blaming those who stand up for freedom is not going to work. Blame those who ridicule the people who believe in what our founding fathers fought and died for. Blame those who have no moral scruples where their personal fears are concerned, blame those who are willing to give up freedom for themselves and for for their children so they might garner a vague chance at safety for themselves. Blame the cowardice of the party that has become exactly what they struggled against!

But quit trying to blame those who tried to tell you what you were doing. What is it you are doing? You are trying to elect the very thing you fear........oh you will excuse it, claiming that he is not as bad as Oboy, but in your heart, you know the truth about him......a baby killer and a gun grabbing socialist, even ten years ago you would not have voted for that sort of thing..........look hard at what you have become. Because you will get what YOU voted for.

[mcwoodduck]

You want to loose one gun or all?

Well I can tell you this... I sure as hell do not want to be comfortable with either one of your options. Are you comfortable giving up one class of  guns?
Matt

No but of the options, between Obama and Romney I'll take the lesser of the two evils.
I am well aware of Jefferson and the "those that will give up liberty for security deserve neither"
 

[mcwoodduck]

OK so Romney is a gun grabber and went after assault rifle.  May be he doesn't understand that there are none in Mass maybe as a governer he unders tood states rights and went for his state.  Either way he went after a certain group of guns, not all gun as group, like Clinton did. 
Obama want to take all guns, not a small group, not a certain type, ALL.
So I understand you do not want ot give up any but of the two choices I would rather burry my AR for a few years and still be able to hunt and target shoot than have loose all of my guns to Obama's melters.
And i know you are going to state your mantra, and talk about Ron Paul ect.
But the reality is either Romney will win or you will help to re ellect Obama.
You want to loose one gun or all?

And there you have it, you are willing to give some freedom for the sake of security...what was it Ben Franklin said about that?

And the reality that the republican party, infiltrated by neocons and liberals, is what will ensure Oboys win. They did that when they left conservatism in the dirt for their chance at the trough with the liberals and for their chance at big money from years of war mongering pretending it was to protect America. (Are we any safer.........more important are we as free as we once were?)

No, blaming those who stand up for freedom is not going to work. Blame those who ridicule the people who believe in what our founding fathers fought and died for. Blame those who have no moral scruples where their personal fears are concerned, blame those who are willing to give up freedom for themselves and for for their children so they might garner a vague chance at safety for themselves. Blame the cowardice of the party that has become exactly what they struggled against!

But quit trying to blame those who tried to tell you what you were doing. What is it you are doing? You are trying to elect the very thing you fear........oh you will excuse it, claiming that he is not as bad as Oboy, but in your heart, you know the truth about him......a baby killer and a gun grabbing socialist, even ten years ago you would not have voted for that sort of thing..........look hard at what you have become. Because you will get what YOU voted for.

And we keep saying........ But you don't listen.  You can either vote for Romney or for Obama.  No matter what lever you push or who's name your write one of those two will win and you can either be part of the problem in continuing wiht Obama or at least help to slow the speeding wreck of our economy and maybe turn it around. 

[Cuts Crooked]

No but of the options, between Obama and Romney I'll take the lesser of the two evils.
I am well aware of Jefferson and the "those that will give up liberty for security deserve neither"

And that tells us all exactly who and what you are.

A relativist willing to sell freedom for safety.

[mcwoodduck]

No but of the options, between Obama and Romney I'll take the lesser of the two evils.
I am well aware of Jefferson and the "those that will give up liberty for security deserve neither"

And that tells us all exactly who and what you are.

A relativist willing to sell freedom for safety.

OK what is your plan? 
or are you only going to snap out little quips calling me names because I am trying to make the best of a no win situation. 
Your plan is to have Obama re ellected what does that say about you?  Does that make you a gun grabbing Communist baby killer? because clearly you want the Communist to win over the Republickin that follows ion the foot steps of Ford and GW Bush 41.

[Cuts Crooked]

Sorry little feller, but we've already covered that ground. I, and many like me, are trying very hard to convince any true conservatives to get the GOP to recognize that they cannot win if the abandon the true conservatives.

But it looks like you have and you won't change your minds.......at least accept the blame for what you are doing instead of trying desparately to toss the hot potato around. Irrespective, if you keep going the way you are.............you WILL get what you deserve. And saddly, so will  your children.

[mcwoodduck]

Sorry little feller, but we've already covered that ground. I, and many like me, are trying very hard to convince any true conservatives to get the GOP to recognize that they cannot win if the abandon the true conservatives.

And in doing so you have become an Obama supporter.
No if and or butts about it, say and do what you want up to ellection day.  But when you need to step in the booth and make a choice to stop Obama or not.  If not, you are helping him  and that makes you one of his gun grabbing communist baby killing big government helpers.  What's it like ot be part of the obamanation?

[Casull]

And there you have it, you are willing to give some freedom for the sake of security...

 
 
But, you are willing to give MORE freedom to make yourself feel good about your vote.  What does that say?

[Cuts Crooked]

 
 
But, you are willing to give MORE freedom to make yourself feel good about your vote.  What does that say?

Who said I'm going to give up my freedom? And it won't make me "feel good". It will merely mean that I made a principled choice and spoke out against tyranny. But then you believe that one vote/one voice is meaningless. In direct opposition to the beliefs of the founders of this once great nation.

"The Power Of The Masses" a very socialist concept.

[thumper113]

A lot of good points have been made here on all sides.  If this has been covered, I haven't finished reading all the stuff I missed, I apologize.

The one point I have not seen is if Obama is re-elected he is a lame duck and WILL invoke a lot of the presidential powers he has pushed through.  He's already said so. 

If Romney is elected he will still be working towards re-election and we the people still have a hope of retaining some semblance of power for at least four more years.

I agree with everyone on here in one shape or fashion.  Both candidates suck but unfortunately we only have four options.

1) Vote for Obama
2) Vote for Romney
3) Waste our vote by protest voting for a third candidate who has no chance at getting elected.
4) Neglect our duty and not vote.

Since you are bothering to weigh in or read this, we can assume #4 is out for us.

The reason Obama scares me is Obama won't have to worry about re-election and has already said he will seize the power.  And if that doesn't scare you, it should. 

As citizens our vote is confidential and we don't have to reveal for whom or why we vote.

My vote will simply be to stop someone from abusing the office and power even more than George and Cheney did.  They started it and Obama has taken the hand off and is headed for open field.

[R.W.Dale]

Cuts you're preaching to deaf ears.

I'm noticing that the only thing the anyone but Obama cares about is Obama Obama Obama.

Nevermind Obama will lose support of the house AND Senate truly becoming a lame duck. And that same situation with Romney results in a rubber stamp legislative branch for whatever leftist scheme crosses his desk.

Never mind that there's not a gun control measure Romney can't get to quick enough to sign or that Romney care has been using taxpayer dollars for abortion.

Obama Obama irrational panic over Obama that's all we hear.

Again for the third time Obama is going to win! NONE of the prospective candidates with the possible exclusion of santorum has broad enough appeal to win. This discussion is playing out thousands/millions of times over with informed voters. With the majority of voters though Romney's plastic phoney personality will be enough.

Its not our fault the candidate smells. Its YOUR fault though if you pinch your nose and and say "you represent what I want in government" and vote for him.

[mcwoodduck]

 
 
But, you are willing to give MORE freedom to make yourself feel good about your vote.  What does that say?

Who said I'm going to give up my freedom? And it won't make me "feel good". It will merely mean that I made a principled choice and spoke out against tyranny. But then you believe that one vote/one voice is meaningless. In direct opposition to the beliefs of the founders of this once great nation.

"The Power Of The Masses" a very socialist concept.

you are helping him and that makes you one of his gun grabbing communist baby killing big government helpers. What's it like to be part of the obamanation?

[Casull]

Never mind that there's not a gun control measure Romney can't get to quick enough to sign

 
 
Nothing like exaggeration to make a point, huh?  I've only heard of ONE gun control measure that Romney signed. 

[Casull]

Obama Obama irrational panic over Obama that's all we hear.

 
 
Now, that's not all we hear.  I've been hearing nothing but irrational panic over Romney from several of our members.   

[BUGEYE]

People like Ironglow, mcwoodduck, casul and other sensible people DID NOT put romney where he is. some of those voted for RP in the primary. I voted for santorum.
but I don't know of a single person at this site who voted for romney.
The members here are outnumbered by the masses who DID vote for romney.
there is only two sensible choices at this point.  revolt, or vote out obama.
if you revolt, I'll be right beside you.  if you vote to take out obama, I'll be there too.

And, if you spread lies like some here, it just shows how childish you are.

[Cuts Crooked]

People like Ironglow, mcwoodduck, casul and other sensible people DID NOT put romney where he is. some of those voted for RP in the primary. I voted for santorum.
but I don't know of a single person at this site who voted for romney.
The members here are outnumbered by the masses who DID vote for romney.
there is only two sensible choices at this point.  revolt, or vote out obama.
if you revolt, I'll be right beside you.  if you vote to take out obama, I'll be there too.

And, if you spread lies like some here, it just shows how childish you are.

No the republiKan party did......and they are supporting it whole heartedly.
 
Like your sig line Bug, Abortion = Holocaust, but how does it feel to be backing a baby butcher?

[45-70.gov]

to  my knowlege  romnee has never performed an abortion


if you beleive in freedom


you  will not use the force of government to force a woman to do something
something  that you as a man WILL NEVER BE ASK TO DO

[DDZ]

Gee in this video Mitt says that he will protect pro choice laws. This means to me that he he was protecting the law that says a women can legally kill her child if she feels so inclined to do so. I think this guy is a stinking liar, and will change direction to which ever direction he thinks will get him more votes. I don't care what he says now. He changed his mind before. He will do it again. My belief is that if I vote for a pro abortion person, some of that blood ends up on my hands, and I just can't let that happen. I don't care if that increases Obama's chances of winning or not. I'm not changing my believes, so I can say, I voted for Romney so Obama doesn't win.  I'm sick of the direction this country has been going, and it didn't just start since Obama took office. If Obama wins its what this country wants. Anyway I really can't see the direction changing much if a Romney wins.
 If you guys want to start a change get the right people elected into congress. I don't care if George Washington is president. If congress is full of communists it won't matter.     

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4

[Doublebass73]

Never mind that there's not a gun control measure Romney can't get to quick enough to sign

 
 
Nothing like exaggeration to make a point, huh?  I've only heard of ONE gun control measure that Romney signed.

Wow, I'm impressed. He only signed ONE gun control measure as governor? I guess I'll have to vote for him then. I'll just have to ignore the fact that he signed a CCW fee increase into law (from $25 to $100) and an F.I.D. fee increase into law ($25 to $100, in Mass you can't even own a long gun without paying this fee).

I'll also ignore this, too:

“We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them,” he said during a gubernatorial debate.  “I won’t chip away at them; I believe they protect us and provide for our safety.”

Romney also spoke in favor of the Brady law’s five day waiting period on handguns.  The Boston Herald quotes Romney saying, “I don’t think (the waiting period) will have a massive effect on crime but I think it will have a positive effect.”

Romney also refuses to fill out the Gun Owners of America candidate questionnaire


Thanks for setting me straight, I can't wait to vote for Romney now!

[Casull]

Thanks for setting me straight, I can't wait to vote for Romney now!

 
 
 
Yep, that tells the whole story.      Now, go check out obama's views on guns and tell me there is NO difference between them.

[Cuts Crooked]

Thanks for setting me straight, I can't wait to vote for Romney now!

 
 
 
Yep, that tells the whole story.      Now, go check out obama's views on guns and tell me there is NO difference between them.

Why CERTAINLY there is a difference!!!!!!!! Why Romney has signed a gun ban law into existance, helped craft it too! Obamanator on the other hand never has signed a gun ban law into existance   But I still wouldn't vote for either of the gun grabbing, socialistic, baby killers!
 
The neocon mantra ABBO is the beginning of the end for freedom in America.

[R.W.Dale]

Thanks for setting me straight, I can't wait to vote for Romney now!

 
 
 
Yep, that tells the whole story.      Now, go check out obama's views on guns and tell me there is NO difference between them.

That's just it both Obama and Romney have similar VIWES on gun control. But only Romney has a record of DEEDS backing those
 views up.

Obama will dance around the issue and avoid it if at all possible. Romney depending on who he's in front of and what phase the moon is in would either proudly be touting his anti 2a record it telling us he doesn't care.

You tell me wich is better?

Remember Romney will have a rubber stamp Congress Obama hasn't even managed to get a budget passed in THREE YEARS

Romney is vastly more dangerous to 2a than the absolutely inept obaminator. Good thing he's unelectable.

[Casull]

Why CERTAINLY there is a difference!!!!!!!! Why Romney has signed a gun ban law into existance, helped craft it too! Obamanator on the other hand never has signed a gun ban law into existance

 
 
Next time, cuts crooked, you might try actually reading the posts you're responding to.  The point doublebass73 was talking about, and which I was referring to, was their VIEWS on guns.  Try looking at obama's record in Illinois and what he voted for when he was there.  Romney voted a ban on one class of guns that the voters of his state WANTED.  Obama has shown he would just as soon ban ALL guns.

[Casull]

That's just it both Obama and Romney have similar VIWES on gun control. But only Romney has a record of DEEDS backing those views up.

 
That's where you're wrong.  See above post.
 
 

Remember Romney will have a rubber stamp Congress Obama hasn't even managed to get a budget passed in THREE YEARS

 
And yet, he passed obama care.       I believe someone else also posted on here how he banned the importation of M1's by executive order.  Hmm, wonder what he'll do when he doesn't have to worry about re-election? 

[Cuts Crooked]

Next time, cuts crooked, you might try actually reading the posts you're responding to.  The point doublebass73 was talking about, and which I was referring to, was their VIEWS on guns.  Try looking at obama's record in Illinois and what he voted for when he was there.  Romney voted a ban on one class of guns that the voters of his state WANTED.  Obama has shown he would just as soon ban ALL guns.

Doesn't matter, they are BOTH gun grabbing baby killing socialists, in spite of the mantra of the neocons who keep saying ABBO to sooth their concsience.
 
But then, on reflection....Romney wants to take away your guns in increments ( and the very guns that the second amendment is all about) while Obbummer wants them all at once.   Hey isn't that the very argument put forward by the neocons for voting for for Romeny!?! Because they demand that we get our freedom back in increments......how's that gonna work out when your darling socialist is working incrementally AGAINST your plan. 
 
"can't swallow the whole apple".... another of the neocon mantras! LOL!!! Looks like yer gonna have a hard time even getting a nibble, because yer saviour is already taking small bites....just not the ones you want.

[mcwoodduck]

Thanks for setting me straight, I can't wait to vote for Romney now!

 
 
 
Yep, that tells the whole story.      Now, go check out obama's views on guns and tell me there is NO difference between them.

Why CERTAINLY there is a difference!!!!!!!! Why Romney has signed a gun ban law into existance, helped craft it too! Obamanator on the other hand never has signed a gun ban law into existance   But I still wouldn't vote for either of the gun grabbing, socialistic, baby killers!
 
The neocon mantra ABBO is the beginning of the end for freedom in America.

Read this months NRA mags.  Shows the Obama plan to attack the 2nd amendment.
 
You are helping Obama and that makes you one of his gun grabbing communist baby killing big government helpers. What's it like to be part of the obamanation?
I notice you never answer me when I ask you a question? 
 

[Casull]

But then, on reflection....Romney wants to take away your guns in increments

 
 
Nice leap.   

[R.W.Dale]

That's just it both Obama and Romney have similar VIWES on gun control. But only Romney has a record of DEEDS backing those views up.

 
That's where you're wrong.  See above post.
 
 

Remember Romney will have a rubber stamp Congress Obama hasn't even managed to get a budget passed in THREE YEARS

 
And yet, he passed obama care.       I believe someone else also posted on here how he banned the importation of M1's by executive order.  Hmm, wonder what he'll do when he doesn't have to worry about re-election?

Obama care is going to go away and serves as an example of the ONLY thing he accomplished before the 2010 midterms took his rubber stamp away.

Korean garands is that all you have? What party did the president belong to when the machine gun registry was closed or the importation of Chinese firearms and ammo stopped? BY EXUCTIVE ORDER?