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Offline hiddenhunter

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« on: January 27, 2004, 03:03:04 PM »
Just before season in michigan I went to a local gun shop to pick up a new ml. I went to pick up a new savage.
When I got there one of the store salesmen said there was a sales rep. from winchester.  He asked me what I was there to buy and I told him a savage ml. He told me all the reasons why I should not buy a savage and I  let them go in one ear and out the other because I had done some research on savage. Then he said I will make you a deal you will not refuse.  The winchester was on sale in the store for 270.00 He told me I could have one for 210.00 out the door. What I should have done is walked out the door. I bit the hook a bought the winchester. I had trouble with the breach plug from day one I put antiseize on it before shooting it shot it 4 times and could hardly get it back out. The gun had very poor groups no matter what I did.  I took the gun back because of the breach plug problem and the local dealer took it back no problem. It was almost to easy so I asked if there were problem with this model he did the old beat around the bush. Anyone had the same problem?  ps I picked up a savage ml.
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Re: winchester x-150 ml
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2004, 04:05:31 PM »
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The winchester was on sale in the store for 270.00 He told me I could have one for 210.00 out the door. What I should have done is walked out the door. I bit the hook a bought the winchester. I had trouble with the breach plug from day one I put antiseize on it before shooting it shot it 4 times and could hardly get it back out. The gun had very poor groups no matter what I did.  I took the gun back because of the breach plug problem and the local dealer took it back no problem.


The X-150 "Winchester" is just a CVA Firebolt, upgraded stock, with a Winchester decal on it.

Actually, the one I tested was not bad at all-- for the money. It was not a tack-driver, but I liked the QR bolt, stock, and had no breech plug problems, other than it was very hard to recap with a scope mounted. It grouped consistently in the 2-1/2 - 3" area with little trouble. I'm far from a CVA fan, but for light use, sub-100 yard work (which is where 95% of deer are taken at) it seemed a good value to me.
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2004, 06:56:17 PM »
Randy,
         Are you feeling alright today? It is a BPI product.
I dont need to say anthing else.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2004, 07:46:24 PM »
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Randy,
         Are you feeling alright today?


Quite well, Mr. Grouse. And your own self?


Certainly, I have reservations about BPI (whoever they are), and am less than thrilled with their vitriolic non-responses to safety related issues such as their sub-standard barrel proofs-- there is nothing proprietary about safety at all, as far as I'm concerned. I'm also less than thrilled with the notion that several thousand Optimas were apparently shipped with defective (as in 10 lb. +++) triggers, along with the hope that few would be returned as they are inexpensive guns, and that paying customers would do the final field testing for them.

It is no secret that the "CVA" brand has long meant bottom of the barrel to many people, even prior to their being sued into bankruptcy for defective Apollo barrels. Many people are now "hip" to the idea that "Winchester" is nothing but a registered brand / trademark of Olin Corporation-- and that there has been no such thing as a Winchester firearm made anywhere for some forty years. USRAC simply paid for the name and logo, and current owner Walloon region of Belgium (FN / Browning) continues that.

As for BPI paying Olin for use of the Winchester name, it is just marketing-- something BPI is very adept at. The only way to try to squeeze more $$$ out of inexpensive Spanish imported smokepoles, apparently, is to call it something other than CVA-- though "Winchester Muzzleloading" is the same paper company, or pseudo-company if you will.

Of course I think very little of the "BPI" shenanigans. Yet, when testing a gun, I really do try to leave that at the door. The X-150 I tested had an excellent stock, passable trigger, reasonable accuracy, and even an excellent ramrod. It lost points for needing a special tool to remove the breechplug, being hard to cap when scoped, and other bits and bobs like proprietary scope mounts.

BUT, for the money, for an inline bolt action, it was overall a very good value. A far more competent gun, in my estimation, than the H & R shotgun "Topper" inspired Optima, and better than the very unfortunate Traditions inline bolt guns.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2004, 10:33:38 AM »
Randy I must have picked a bad one. My buddy went with me and picked up one also. It shoots about a 2 to 3 inch group at 100 yards also. Mine on the other hand with the same loads would not. Your correct about most shots under 100 yards on most deer. The only thing is when I talked to the rep. from winchester I told him I hunt out west and wanted a gun that would shoot a good group at 150 or better. He said no problem. Not true.I did everything I could and no good groups. It had me thinking I had lost my touch. So I pulled out My old guns that are almost ready to hang on the wall and did just fine at 100. I did know it was a winchester only by name before I bought it .  I just wanted to see if the breach plug problem was something common.  Thanks for your reply. hiddenhunter
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2004, 05:50:39 PM »
I'll just stick with my CVA Optima. shoots great , feels great. I can shoot a 5 shot group at 50 yards with them all touching.  Can't ask for much more, well maybe a nice Leupold sitting on top!
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2004, 02:47:03 AM »
I have one and a friend of mine has one and they both shoot about a two inch group @ 100 yards with the power belts and 777. And we haven't had any problems with the breech plugs. The only thing I don't like is that tiny tiney darn iron sight but I will end up putting a scope on it anyway. And you have to becareful and not hit the bolt the wrong way or it will fall out on the ground.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2004, 04:45:27 AM »
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you have to be careful and not hit the bolt the wrong way or it will fall out on the ground


rps, that would be a bit inconvenient wouldn't it :-D .
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2004, 12:54:08 PM »
Randy,have you shot the apex? you might feel the same way about that as you do the x-150. it is a good gun.
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Re: winchester x-150 ml
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2007, 01:37:12 PM »
winchester x-150, 90 grains RS, 385g great plains bullet, CCI 209 shotshell primer, truglo ghost ring sight, 5/8" average 3 shot groups @100 yards. I just scoped it now and its easy to install and remove the primer with your thumb and index finger unless you have sausage fingers. Ive learned that its best to try other things in your rifle than to read some "experts" reviews who only shot one type of charge and bullet out of the rifle. As for it being just a cva firebolt, 100% dead wrong there. Breech plug i had problems with and emailed bpi and once i found the right grease and tightening pressure, i havnt had problems.  Best rifle ive owned, 4 years and running and still never had to send it in for service.

CCI primers after being fired, easily pull out halfway when the bolt is pulled back and will fall out when you tilt the rifle up. Winchester w209s and remington kleanbores are horrible in this one. They expand greatly and then the use of the tool is needed.
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2007, 03:32:51 PM »
RandyWakeman

Gee whiz, that has got to be the easiest that you have have been on a BPI/CVA product... this probably doesn't mean much to you from here but that was very good objective reporting in my book got your point across without the hammer...

Can not help but think to myself is this the real Randy Wakeman????
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Re: winchester x-150 ml
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2007, 04:19:39 PM »
I was told it has a winchester barrell. I ve never had a problem with mine. 120grns 777  240 grn tc etp sabot. 2 inch groups at 100 yds. Jay
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Re: winchester x-150 ml
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2007, 04:35:20 PM »
No its a BPI barrel.  Im shooting T7 now but still need to experiment with it with wads, more powder exe. Pyrodex RS so far has given me the best accuracy. You may want to try some RS. Anothe area to look at is the material touching the sides of the barrel, remove that and the groups will shrink.  Stock just needs a little clean up but hey, what rifle doesnt?
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Re: winchester x-150 ml
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2007, 06:22:44 AM »
Holy Cow, you know a post has been dead for awhile when you see Wakeman posted on it.

Haven't seen him post on here in quite sometime.  He still around this board?
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Re: winchester x-150 ml
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2007, 08:03:23 AM »
Quote from: elkstalkr on April 23, 2007, 06:22:44 AM
Holy Cow, you know a post has been dead for awhile when you see Wakeman posted on it.

Haven't seen him post on here in quite sometime.  He still around this board?

 ;D No kidding, If i would have taken notice to the date on this thread i never would have responded..... Okay i lie, i would have anyway just to make sure others knew from an actual owner what the rifle could do. I dont like seeing reports on muzzleloaders when only one charge/bullet is used. Doesnt show anything and IMO, a bad review.
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