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Big racial divide in trayvon case.
« on: April 06, 2012, 04:15:14 PM »
 Poll shows big racial divide in opinion on Trayvon Martin case  By Liz Goodwin | The Lookout – 11 hrs ago     
  • A "Justice for Trayvon" march in Minneapolis. (AP Photo/The St. Paul Pioneer Press, John Autey)
   Americans are sharply divided by race in their opinion of the shooting of an unarmed black teenager in Florida by a Hispanic neighborhood watchman.
A Gallup/USA Today poll finds that most black Americans (73 percent) think Trayvon Martin's shooter, George Zimmerman, would have been arrested if Martin had been white. Only 33 percent of non-Hispanic white people said the same thing.
The racial divide on Zimmerman's guilt was also big: 51 percent of black people said Zimmerman is "definitely guilty" based on the information available, compared to only 10 percent of whites. About 20 percent of both whites and blacks said Zimmerman was "probably guilty."
Zimmerman told police that he was following Martin because he looked "suspicious" when the unarmed 17-year-old then attacked him. Zimmerman said he shot Martin in self-defense. He hasn't been charged. Martin's family says Zimmerman followed and then attacked and shot Martin in an act of vigilante policing.
An earlier Pew Research Center poll found that only 16 percent of black people said there had been too much media coverage of the shooting, compared to 43 percent of white people. The Gallup poll of more than 3,000 adults has a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2012, 05:19:36 PM »
How much media attention do you think this thing would get if Martin (the kid who was shot) was white or Hispanic and Zimmerman (the shooter) was black?   Would the media, or the black community for that matter, still make this an issue of race?  In his calls to 911 Zimmerman never even mentioned the race of the person he was tailing only that he was "suspicious looking". 

Also a lot was made of Geraldo Rivera's comments about hoodies.  I tend to agree with him.  If a critter looks like a skunk or a copper head snake most folks won't take any chances and stay clear of it.   If a person dresses like a hood or 'gangsta' most prudent people will be suspicious of that person.   Yeah, it's a free country and anyone can dress however they want.  But if you dress in a clown costume don't expect anyone to take you seriously in a business meeting on Wall Street.  And if you dress like a hood or 'gangsta'  expect people to be leery of you.   
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2012, 01:53:32 AM »
It was raining, I believe.
The only question to be considered in this case is the "law".
If the law was broken then Zimmerman should be tried----Lord only knows as there is really only one person living who was actually involved.
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2012, 02:41:42 AM »
My wife wears a hooded sweatshirt, with the hood down.  Martin lived in the neighborhood, doesn't neighborhood watch even know their residents;  I do around here.  WAS Martin acting like he was "casing" homes?  Did Zimmerman quit following when instructed so by the police?  As for standing ground, it could have been Martin standing up for his rights, or it could have been the other way around.


Zimmerman strikes me to be like a "neighborhood dogooder" we had around here who would call zoning on cars with flat tires because they were inoperable.


I do know there was injustice done.  Nut cases with guns will lose all of the rest of us our rights to own and carry, and will finally require us to back right off a cliff to keep from "standing our ground"
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2012, 04:49:45 AM »
Kennyd,  I don't think Martin lived in the neighborhood.  What I read is that he was visiting with his father (parents are separated) who lives near Zimmerman's neighborhood. 

Injustice may or may not have been done, only time and a court of law will tell.   However, my experience has been that if the cops have the least bit of suspicion that a wrong was committed, especially involving firearms, the person with the gun is going for a ride down town and getting booked.   Apparently the police on the seen in this case where pretty confident that Zimmerman did no wrong.   
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2012, 05:11:21 AM »
Injustice may or may not have been done, only time and a court of law will tell.   However, my experience has been that if the cops have the least bit of suspicion that a wrong was committed, especially involving firearms, the person with the gun is going for a ride down town and getting booked.   Apparently the police on the seen in this case where pretty confident that Zimmerman did no wrong.
Yep. I figure if a citizen shoots in self-defense, they're in for a very scary time - arrest, likely prosecution. Life will be upside down and scary for a while, and they may find the resources of a hostile prosecutor directed at them.
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2012, 07:12:37 AM »
BRETT. Darn good posts Sir. And if the races were reversed ol al and jesse would be praising the shooter for protecting their hood. Wearing a hooded winter sweatshirt with the hood up in sub zero Fla.?? Strictly a stupid cult thing. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2012, 07:31:15 AM »
I have held that this story has been written for YEARS. News organizations have been chomping at the bit hoping and praying that a carry permit holder would someday "screw the pooch".


 The day has come, the story has been told and it has been a story, not a factual account of the days news but a story. Intrigue, suspense, heroes, villains, cops, robbers, investigative "journalists", lawyers, racism (black white and hispanic the hat trick),  EMT's, GUNS, and Blood, Oh My!  That was just the first day. What's not to love here. We haven't heard near enough about the girlfriend to have a good love interest plot but that will come soon (wouldn't it be great if she were carrying his unborn child? That would send all the ratings over the top!!).


I want justice served. This poor SOB has "screwed the pooch" of national news interest. I've heard it said "you know the circus has come to town when you see the clowns". Jesse Jackson, Lious Farrakan, et. al., representing the clowns here. I fear it will be purely by accident if justice is actually served in this matter.
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Re: Big racial divide in trayvon case.
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2012, 02:52:03 AM »
Those screams were from someone that was being hurt. The grand jury will show that dead man had no wounds except the bullet hole. No reason to scream. There will be the next racial divide, those that believe the grand jury and those that dont. If he was innocently walking, and his father had asked him not to go around dressed like a hoodlum and looking suspicious, he wouldnt have gotten in trouble. broken home, bad parenting.
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2012, 03:19:12 AM »
I have held that this story has been written for YEARS. News organizations have been chomping at the bit hoping and praying that a carry permit holder would someday "screw the pooch".
I believe that Empty Quiver has hit the 10-ring, here...
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2012, 03:45:16 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2012, 04:24:08 AM »
powderman, you quoted percentages of blacks  say this or believe this and whites say this and believe this.  If this is a racial issue, then shouldn't it be a black/hispanic issue? 


 

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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2012, 04:42:40 AM »
I have held that this story has been written for YEARS. News organizations have been chomping at the bit hoping and praying that a carry permit holder would someday "screw the pooch".
I believe that Empty Quiver has hit the 10-ring, here...

yep.
 
powderman, you quoted percentages of blacks  say this or believe this and whites say this and believe this.  If this is a racial issue, then shouldn't it be a black/hispanic issue?   

One would think it would be a black/hispanic issue but the media badly wants this to be a black vs. white issue hence them referring to zimmerman as a WHITE/hispanic. Black vs. hispanic wouldnt play into thier narrative.
 
 
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2012, 06:49:16 AM »
THIS is the only reason the Treyvon shooting became a "racial issue" And now NBC, having been caught in the act, is backpeddling and covering up like a cat on a tile floor! As has been noted already, the media has been waiting for an incident they could use to incite against "stand your ground" laws. When they didn't get one they liked, they invented one. They got caught, but you aren't seeing THAT fact being touted on national television.............. >:(

http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-call-mistake-not-deliberate-nbc-114515858.html

NEW YORK (Reuters) - NBC News' decision to air an edited call from George Zimmerman to police in the moments before he shot Trayvon Martin was "a mistake and not a deliberate act to misrepresent the phone call," according to the president of the network's news division.
The edit in question, which aired on the network's flagship "Today" morning show last week, made it appear that Zimmerman told police that Martin was black without being prompted, when, in fact, the full tape reveals that the neighborhood watch captain only did so when responding to a question posed by a dispatcher.
Under growing public pressure to explain the incident, NBC News President Steve Capus provided Reuters with the fullest explanation to date of how the edited call made it on air and what the network is doing to prevent such a consequential error from happening again.
Capus confirmed a previous Reuters report that an internal network investigation had determined that a producer made the editing error, and that the network's editorial controls - including senior broadcast producer oversight, script editors and often legal and standards department reviews of sensitive material to be broadcast - simply missed the selective editing of the phone call.
Two sources at the network told Reuters the Miami-based producer of the segment had been fired on Thursday.
Capus said "several people" involved were disciplined, though he declined to specify the nature of the disciplinary actions, saying they were internal personnel matters.
Sources at the network told Reuters on Thursday that NBC News executives did not know the emergency call was misleadingly edited until news reports surfaced days later on blogs including newsbusters.org and Breitbart.com.
Those blogs, along with media critics and rival networks, have charged that the edited call has inflamed racial tensions in an already volatile situation.
Sources inside the network have told Reuters that NBC News brass interviewed more than a dozen staffers during its investigation of the matter.
As part of the investigation, the producer who edited the call was questioned extensively about motivation, and it was determined that the person had cut the video clip down to meet a maximum time requirement for the length of the segment - a common pressure in morning television - and inadvertently edited the call in a way that proved misleading.
NBC News has apologized for the incident, saying in a statement to Reuters earlier this week that there was "an editing error in the production process," but insisting the results of the internal investigation would not be announced publicly.
Capus said that the network "takes its responsibility seriously" and has undertaken rigorous efforts to formalize the editorial safeguards in place at the network. He said that NBC News' broadcast standards department, led by David McCormick, has been holding meetings with various NBC News shows, as well as the network's specialized units, which handle sometimes complicated subjects like medical or legal news.
Capus added that he also is holding meetings among the network executives to reinforce the lessons learned from the investigation into the edited call.
SHARPTON CONTROVERSY
Capus has also worked in recent days to quell both external and internal criticism over the network's coverage of the highly charged news story - most of it focused on the central role that civil rights activist and MSNBC talk show host Reverend Al Sharpton has played in the case.
Sharpton, who hosts MSNBC's "Politics Daily" and offers regular commentary on the case, has also served as an advocate for the Martin family by leading rallies demanding Zimmerman's arrest, appearing beside Martin's anguished parents, and conducting closed door meetings with prosecutors and local officials on the Martin family's behalf. A call to Sharpton for comment Saturday was not returned.
Externally, media critics including Howard Kurtz, host of CNN's "Reliable Sources" and a columnist for The Daily Beast, have criticized the network for allowing Sharpton to play a dual role as both activist and commentator.
"Even commentators have to abide by certain rules," Kurtz wrote last month. "And in this case, by playing both sides of the camera, Rev. Al has obliterated them."
Internally, some NBC news staffers have complained that Sharpton's unique role in the case has compounded the damage to NBC News' reputation that the edited tape caused, and contributed to an impression among its critics that the network as a whole is biased against Zimmerman, according to sources. Capus refuted that claim.
"Reverend Sharpton is a talk show host on MSNBC," Capus said. "We believe there's a distinction between the role he plays and our front line journalists who are part of NBC's news gathering and reporting. This is a large news organization that has many people involved in any number of different aspects of coverage and commentary. That's the distinction we've made as a news organization."
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2012, 11:03:22 AM »
And apparently NBC APPROVES of Sharpton's racial pot stirring:
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http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46983848#.T4H7hdm8u8p

 NEW YORK —  NBC News' decision to air an edited call from George Zimmerman to police in the moments before he shot Trayvon Martin was "a mistake and not a deliberate act to misrepresent the phone call," according to the president of the network's news division.
The edit in question, which aired on the network's flagship "Today" morning show last week, made it appear that Zimmerman told police that Martin was black without being prompted, when, in fact, the full tape reveals that the neighborhood watch captain only did so when responding to a question posed by a dispatcher.
Under growing public pressure to explain the incident, NBC News President Steve Capus provided Reuters with the fullest explanation to date of how the edited call made it on air and what the network is doing to prevent such a consequential error from happening again.
Capus confirmed a previous Reuters report that an internal network investigation had determined that a producer made the editing error, and that the network's editorial controls - including senior broadcast producer oversight, script editors and often legal and standards department reviews of sensitive material to be broadcast - simply missed the selective editing of the phone call.
Two sources at the network told Reuters the Miami-based producer of the segment had been fired on Thursday.
Capus said "several people" involved were disciplined, though he declined to specify the nature of the disciplinary actions, saying they were internal personnel matters.
Sources at the network told Reuters on Thursday that NBC News executives did not know the emergency call was misleadingly edited until news reports surfaced days later on blogs including newsbusters.org and Breitbart.com.
Those blogs, along with media critics and rival networks, have charged that the edited call has inflamed racial tensions in an already volatile situation.
Sources inside the network have told Reuters that NBC News brass interviewed more than a dozen staffers during its investigation of the matter.
As part of the investigation, the producer who edited the call was questioned extensively about motivation, and it was determined that the person had cut the video clip down to meet a maximum time requirement for the length of the segment - a common pressure in morning television - and inadvertently edited the call in a way that proved misleading.
NBC News has apologized for the incident, saying in a statement to Reuters earlier this week that there was "an editing error in the production process," but insisting the results of the internal investigation would not be announced publicly.
Capus said that the network "takes its responsibility seriously" and has undertaken rigorous efforts to formalize the editorial safeguards in place at the network. He said that NBC News' broadcast standards department, led by David McCormick, has been holding meetings with various NBC News shows, as well as the network's specialized units, which handle sometimes complicated subjects like medical or legal news.
Capus added that he also is holding meetings among the network executives to reinforce the lessons learned from the investigation into the edited call.
SHARPTON CONTROVERSY
Capus has also worked in recent days to quell both external and internal criticism over the network's coverage of the highly charged news story - most of it focused on the central role that civil rights activist and MSNBC talk show host Reverend Al Sharpton has played in the case.
Sharpton, who hosts MSNBC's "Politics Daily" and offers regular commentary on the case, has also served as an advocate for the Martin family by leading rallies demanding Zimmerman's arrest, appearing beside Martin's anguished parents, and conducting closed door meetings with prosecutors and local officials on the Martin family's behalf. A call to Sharpton for comment Saturday was not returned.
Externally, media critics including Howard Kurtz, host of CNN's "Reliable Sources" and a columnist for The Daily Beast, have criticized the network for allowing Sharpton to play a dual role as both activist and commentator.
"Even commentators have to abide by certain rules," Kurtz wrote last month. "And in this case, by playing both sides of the camera, Rev. Al has obliterated them."
Internally, some NBC news staffers have complained that Sharpton's unique role in the case has compounded the damage to NBC News' reputation that the edited tape caused, and contributed to an impression among its critics that the network as a whole is biased against Zimmerman, according to sources. Capus refuted that claim.
"Reverend Sharpton is a talk show host on MSNBC," Capus said. "We believe there's a distinction between the role he plays and our front line journalists who are part of NBC's news gathering and reporting. This is a large news organization that has many people involved in any number of different aspects of coverage and commentary. That's the distinction we've made as a news organization."
MSNBC chief executive Phil Griffin has defended Sharpton's dual role as well, saying that as long as the longtime civil rights activist is upfront about his advocacy activity, he would be allowed on a "case by case basis" to both participate in and comment for MSNBC on issues and stories that interest him. Griffin has credited Sharpton with turning the Martin case into a national news story.
NBC is owned by NBC Universal, a unit of Comcast Corp.
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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2012, 11:05:23 AM »
Whoops, double posted  :-[
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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2012, 04:54:34 AM »
I wonder how much money there is in exploiting cases like this. It's got to really be lucrative considering the number of bling bling rich guys come out of the woodwork every time this happens.

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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2012, 05:35:23 AM »
I wonder how much money there is in exploiting cases like this. It's got to really be lucrative considering the number of bling bling rich guys come out of the woodwork every time this happens.

I would figure there has to be a great deal of money. I doubt Jesse and Al go racing to the scene of every "injustice" out of the goodness of thier hearts.
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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2012, 11:04:51 PM »
Zimmerman was originally charged with manslaughter--the DA refused to accept the charges.
No one in this world has ANY claim to racial purity. See Obama, Tiger Woods as recent examples. Personally, my own family tree adds to some wonderment.
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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2012, 02:45:55 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2012, 02:02:02 AM »
spacer, your quote says a lot. Its already about lawyers and money. Zimmerman and Trayvon are the minor catalyst.