CCI Quiet 22s

[schoolmaster]

Read about the CCI Quiet 22s so had to try some. They are a 40 grain lubed lead bullet and look like a .22 LR. Velocity is supposed to be 710 f/s.  I shot these in a Savage Mark II and a CZ 452 American 16 inch barrel. Both rifles shot nickel sized groups at 25 yards. There was a mild report and you could hear the firing pin drop and the bullet hit the wooden back stop. I was using some pallet boards for a backer and the really hardwood ones had the bullet buried in them flush with the base, the softer ones were completely penetrated. I believe these would be useable on small game and pests out to this range.

[blind ear]

With the 40 gr bullet I'm sure it would have it's uses but a pellett gun fills most of my low power needs. ear

[Couger]

Read about the CCI Quiet 22s so had to try some. They are a 40 grain lubed lead bullet and look like a .22 LR. Velocity is supposed to be 710 f/s.  I shot these in a Savage Mark II and a CZ 452 American 16 inch barrel. Both rifles shot nickel sized groups at 25 yards. There was a mild report and you could hear the firing pin drop and the bullet hit the wooden back stop. I was using some pallet boards for a backer and the really hardwood ones had the bullet buried in them flush with the base, the softer ones were completely penetrated. I believe these would be useable on small game and pests out to this range.

Glad to hear about interest in rounds such as the new Quiet-22's!  And how tio make a .22 as quiet or even quieter than any pelletgun!!  I bought some Quiet-22's Thursday, at $35/brick - after seeing them go for $49.95 at the first store I looked north of Seattle.  (greedy store that I promptly left after seeing what they were gouging the piblik for!)
 
But besides the Quiet-22's there is also Remington's CBee .22's too.  Those are indeed expensive, like CCI CB Shorts and CB Longs.
 
The Remington CBee's are in Long Rifle configuration too, and generate 740fps (MV) with a 33 grain hollow point bullet like is used in the Remy 'Yellow Jacket' round.  Their same hollow point bullet as the Yellow Jacket, actually expands at the low velocities it operates.
 
Haven't tried yet the new Quiet-22's, but the CBee's are darn quiet!  Esp out of a 16inch 10/22.  They don't cycle the gun, but working the bolt manually they feed and eject without hardly a hiccup.  Biggest noises are the hammer dropping on the firirng pin and the thud of the boolit striking the target. 
 
The CCI Quiet-22 with its solid 40-grain bullet is perported to generate 45fpe ME,
while the Remy CBee .22 is supposed to generate 40fpe ME (with expansion!). 

[keith44]

Win. T-22 used to be real quiet and accurate, haven't seen any for years tho

[BUGEYE]

Win. T-22 used to be real quiet and accurate, haven't seen any for years tho

I have a lot of those, but I have to order them on-line.
I've never seen them in a store.

[Hunter6657]

I use CCI CB Longs for squirrel hunting and they work fine with complete penetration at 25 yards. i have a Marlin 60 sighted in with them and regualr CCI Minimag shoots 1" higher at 25 yards.
The CB Longs won't cycle the action but its quicker to chamber another round just pulling the bolt back and releasing it.
I am going to try them in my Ruger 10/22. I shot some of these and chronographed them out a Remington 511 or 512 with a 24" barrel and they clocked around 550fps with the longer barrel slowing them down. They are quieter than a pellet gun with a heavier bullet. The CCI Quiet ammo should give more punch along with the Remington ammo. I'll have to try some of that also. My buddy shot 2 foxes that came under his deer stand using the CB Longs and dropped them in their tracks.
The Colibri rounds are good for charging mice or chipmunks at 30 feet or less.
I take the file on my multi tool and put a small flat on the bullet tips. It makes them hit harder like the SGB. I also head shoot them or shoot through the ribs from the side. They drop on their heads out of the tree.

[woodchuckssuck]

I saw them in a "free" gun mag I got at the gunshop (buying pellets and a cleaning kit for .177 air rifle haha). I might try them, though I get good results with Remington CBee. My mid-70's Glenfield 25 with a 4x Nikon rimfire scope (great scope) puts them under 3/4" at 25 yards! And, they are absolutely KILLER on squirrels at the same distance. Chest shot resulted in a lot of blood...and a dead by the time it hit the ground squirrel

And they are about as quiet as my 650fps CO2 air rifle...Little "pop" but nothing that would alert neighbors.

[schoolmaster]

Shot the quiet 22s today or at least the grandkids shot them. Didn't need their ear muffs. They shoot very accurately in my Savage Mark II and my granddaughters Cricket. Dime sized groups at 20  yards.

[mannyrock]

Gentlemen,
 
   Allow me to throw out a big red warning flag here!
 
   I do not know anything about the  CCI Quiet loads, but I have had extensive experience with Remington CBs in .22 long rifle.
 
 These shells have an absolutely minimal load in them, just slightly above a primer charge.
 
 As a consequence, you must realize that if you shoot them through a rifle, particularly one with a long barrel, there is a chance that they won't make it out of the end of the barrel!
 
  How do I know?  I had it happen twice.
 
   First time was with a nice Remington bolt action 513, with a 24 inch barrel.  I was shooting in my back yard, at a target about 50 yards away.  In the middle of the firing, I had a big kick, and back-splat of powder and metal on my cheek.  (Glad I was wearing shooting glasses.)  Couldn't figure out what happened.  Looked at the muzzle,  and saw a bullet sticking half way out of it.  There was another bullet stuck 3/4 of the way down the barrel.  This one had apparently struck the first bullet (which had not made it out of the barrel), and driven it to the end of the muzzle.  This really shook me up.  What if I had accidently fired a third round?
 
   After that, I became religious about not shooting a second shot out of a rifle with the CBs, unless I definitely heard the prior shot "thawk" against the target.  Sure enough, about a year later, new box of ammo, different rifle, there was a second failure.  A round only got 90% of the way down a 20 inch barrel and was stuck there.
 
   From that point on, I would never fire any CB in anything but a revolver.  It is just too dangerous.  These rounds, like all .22 rounds, are made on the super cheap.  If there is even the slightest problem with the primer or powder charge, the bullet will not make it out of the barrel.  Very very dangerous.
 
  Hope this saves somebody from a bad injury, or ringed barrel.
 
Mannyrock
 
 
 
 
 

[keith44]

Excellent advice mannyrock.  Cheap sub-sonic ammo can have that problem.  That's why I choose either match or target grade, the production tolerances and quality control are insurance against such failures.  However it can still happen in longer barrels.

[Couger]

..... From that point on, I would never fire any CB in anything but a revolver.  It is just too dangerous.  These rounds, like all .22 rounds, are made on the super cheap.  If there is even the slightest problem with the primer or powder charge, the bullet will not make it out of the barrel.  Very very dangerous.   

Thanks for the warning but I think you're going overboard saying only a revolver is a safe gun for shooting low velocity rounds.
 
I'm not surprised someone has had a "cb" slug get stuck in a long barrel,  but I have had very good luck and performance shooting cb rounds in an 18 1/2" Ruger 10/22.  And never any problem. 
 
Plus shooting CB's in a handgun (for me) I find to be almost a loud as standard .22 pistol ammo. 
 
Still it helps to learn from others' experiences, and I only shoot CB's like the singleshot ammo it is, making it easy to determine whether each shot did what it was supposed to. 
 
CB's are standard ammo at my house. 
 
ADDED:  For those apprehensive about shooting CB's, CCI makes a .22 Short loading I think is largely ignored that propels a bullets at @830 fps, their .22 Target Short.

[spooked]

Gentlemen,
 
   Allow me to throw out a big red warning flag here!
 
   I do not know anything about the  CCI Quiet loads, but I have had extensive experience with Remington CBs in .22 long rifle.
 
 These shells have an absolutely minimal load in them, just slightly above a primer charge.
 
 As a consequence, you must realize that if you shoot them through a rifle, particularly one with a long barrel, there is a chance that they won't make it out of the end of the barrel!
 
  How do I know?  I had it happen twice.
 
   First time was with a nice Remington bolt action 513, with a 24 inch barrel.  I was shooting in my back yard, at a target about 50 yards away.  In the middle of the firing, I had a big kick, and back-splat of powder and metal on my cheek.  (Glad I was wearing shooting glasses.)  Couldn't figure out what happened.  Looked at the muzzle,  and saw a bullet sticking half way out of it.  There was another bullet stuck 3/4 of the way down the barrel.  This one had apparently struck the first bullet (which had not made it out of the barrel), and driven it to the end of the muzzle.  This really shook me up.  What if I had accidently fired a third round?
 
   After that, I became religious about not shooting a second shot out of a rifle with the CBs, unless I definitely heard the prior shot "thawk" against the target.  Sure enough, about a year later, new box of ammo, different rifle, there was a second failure.  A round only got 90% of the way down a 20 inch barrel and was stuck there.
 
   From that point on, I would never fire any CB in anything but a revolver.  It is just too dangerous.  These rounds, like all .22 rounds, are made on the super cheap.  If there is even the slightest problem with the primer or powder charge, the bullet will not make it out of the barrel.  Very very dangerous.
 
  Hope this saves somebody from a bad injury, or ringed barrel.
 
Mannyrock
 
 

Them Remmy cb's did it to me also, had to take a cleaning rod and push one about 7" on out of my Wim.67...Shot the rest ov 'em up in my colt scout..

[Graybeard]

I think you were just very unlucky to find a couple of lemons. I've used both Remington and CCI. I've never had a CB stick in anything but might not have shot as many as you.

My (now deceased) best friend Billy Doss used to use them all the time and mostly in his Remington 513T. He never had one fail to leave the barrel. Now I don't recall what brand he used.

[Couger]

 
 
I just perused GunBroker.com looking at more than a dozen listings for Winchester 67's (w/ 27" bbls) and 67A's with 20+ inch tubes (youth models?).  All of the regular 67 models sport longish 27in barrels.  So do many of the Model 510's, 512's, 513's and 514's made by Remington, along with many other Winchester's or Savage or other makes .....
 
The possibility of lodging a stuck [CB] bullet in a barrel is something I've never witnessed, but the last couple posts highlight a real possibility with long-barreled guns.  And according to Mark White who founded Sound Technologies (Pelham, AL), after about 20in of barrel length or more, a .22 barrel can exert a lot of friction on a rimfire slug.
 
One more [real and important] item to delve into while studying and shooting rimfires.   

[mattmillerrx]

I am also interested in the CCI Quiet 22 which I believe is just marketing for a 22 LR CB load...just like the Remington CBEE but with a different bullet shape.  I have been shooting the Remington CBEE out of a CZ Ultra Lux that has a 28.6 inch barrel and have not had a failure.


I have had failures with Aguila Super Colibri in an 18 in barrel...I believe it to be a bad couple of rounds.  I have fired a couple of thousand of these in that gun before it happened.  I knew the Aguila's would not clear the CZ Ultra Lux and got the Remington CBEE's for it.  I think you may have had a similar issue with your 513 and a bad couple of rounds or lot. 


The CCI version is cheaper than the Remington and is my main interest in these over the CBEEs.  The good thing about these is you can hear the impact of the bullet easily and know if you need to check your barrel, especially on a metal target or bullet trap.

[schoolmaster]

Tried the CCI Quiet 22s in a youth model Ruger 10-22 and while accurate they would NOT eject. In practical terms they turned the semiauto into a bolt action. Every spent round had to be ejected by hand. Not a major problem.

[Drilling Man]

  I'm on my third brick of CB longs, on my second brick of Super Colibri's.  I've also shot a 300 + std. Colibri's and about 200 + Remington Cee bee's, and i've yet to have one stop in a rifle bbl..
 
  I've shot most of them out of my Henry lever and an old Savage single shot.  But i've also shot them out of a Rem. 541-S and a couple other rifles, along with shooting them out of several different handguns.
 
  DM

[myronman3]

i've shot alot of these, and the cobrellis are the quietest by far.  and they kill, too.  countless crows, rabbits, squirrels and starlings.   lots of fun.  always a good idea to check the barrel when in doubt, although i have never had a problem with them.
 

[Bugflipper]

Over on rimfire central there used to be a lot of folks warning not to shoot the super colibris in 18" or longer barrels. I am assuming that the powder charge is so small that there is inconsistency if it is off a fraction of a grain? I ran a few through an 18" and didn't have any issues but stopped after reading all the warnings.
I got a bullet stuck in a 44 mag pistol once and it was a pita to get it back out. That was with a wooden dowel and hammer and only having about 4" to go. I could only imagine trying to get a little slug out of a little long barrel. Would probably have to fool around with a bullet puller instead of knocking it out. That little pointy tip wouldn't help matters, so it would probably have to come back through the chamber.

[spooked]

Iffin I kin git me rubber tipped air snozzle to the breach, I see whut 130lb. air pressure will do fer 'em , usually come out a honkin!

[efremtags]

The Aguila brand makes a CB round. It warns u on the box not to use it in rifles for that reason. I personally have shot thousands of round of this in my 10/22 and I'll Henry without a hitch. The ruler mag doesnt cycle these too well because they are just a touch shorter than LR ammo.


Just don't follow up CB with HV ammo and it'll never be an issue

[ironglow]

Win. T-22 used to be real quiet and accurate, haven't seen any for years tho

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    Keith;
   Years ago, the T-22s used to be my "go to" round for reasonably priced accuracy.  Then they changed, and I now generally use CCI standards for that purpose.
  The new round that has replaced the T-22 in my Winchester repertoir is the new 40 gr subsonic..with the gaping big hollow point.  I've tried them on game and they hit with an authority way beyond what a normal subsonic should.  That big hollowpoint apparently expands well, even at subsonic speeds. They are accurate and hit like a hammer !
   http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2900255464/winchester-super-x-ammunition-subsonic-22-long-rifle-40-grain-lead-truncated-cone-hollow-point

[keith44]

 


hollow point sub-sonic replaced the T-22 bad plan Winchester, bad plan

[mcwoodduck]

Over on rimfire central there used to be a lot of folks warning not to shoot the super colibris in 18" or longer barrels. I am assuming that the powder charge is so small that there is inconsistency if it is off a fraction of a grain? I ran a few through an 18" and didn't have any issues but stopped after reading all the warnings.
I got a bullet stuck in a 44 mag pistol once and it was a pita to get it back out. That was with a wooden dowel and hammer and only having about 4" to go. I could only imagine trying to get a little slug out of a little long barrel. Would probably have to fool around with a bullet puller instead of knocking it out. That little pointy tip wouldn't help matters, so it would probably have to come back through the chamber.

I shoot the aguilla colibri in a lot of 22 rifles
The only one that has a problem is my CZ Military trainer.  The bullet stops right under the front sight 4 out of 5 rounds.  But the CB longs fly right out and strait for 25 yards.  I shoot them in the back yard often and have used them for pest and small game.

[ironglow]

hollow point sub-sonic replaced the T-22 bad plan Winchester, bad plan

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  Winchester hasn't replaced the T22, but IMO the T22s aren't what they used to be.  If one wants an accurate, reasonably priced standard with target accuracy..CCI and Aguila standards are very good.
  What do you find wrong with a good, full 40gr hollow point subsonic, which is as good or better in the accuracy dept than the T22 ?
   Is it because you don't hunt with .22LR, or perhaps  you use an auto that doesn't handle HPs very well?
 
    For me it is puzzling, since in a .22 LR, I consider a hollowpoint to be an added bonus..all else being equal.

[keith44]

I don't like hollowpoints in .22 LR at standard velocities because they do not open consistently.  The old T-22 round nose could be put in a jig and a flat point filed on to it.  Small game sledge hammer!!

[ironglow]

I don't like hollowpoints in .22 LR at standard velocities because they do not open consistently.  The old T-22 round nose could be put in a jig and a flat point filed on to it.  Small game sledge hammer!!

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  OK..got what you mean..I made my own version of a forming tool.  The rounds work well, except in a Bentz chamber..but these are compressed not filed.  The compression doesn't go well with the target chambers.

[mcwoodduck]

I don't like hollowpoints in .22 LR at standard velocities because they do not open consistently.  The old T-22 round nose could be put in a jig and a flat point filed on to it.  Small game sledge hammer!!

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  OK..got what you mean..I made my own version of a forming tool.  The rounds work well, except in a Bentz chamber..but these are compressed not filed.  The compression doesn't go well with the target chambers.

My old next door neighbor had a toll that you wacked the top of the bullet with it and it either opened up the hollow point or it made one.  A big one.
He thought the hole was cool when we found more on the do hicky it was made to flatten out the bullet so it locked up in the lands and groves better for Free pistol target shooting.  I always had a problem watching him wack the bullet with a rimfire round.  The hole did bad things to the rabbits and ground squirrels in the yard.  but nothing worse than the standard 22's

[schoolmaster]

Why not just take a hollow point and file the nose flat. You would have a hollow point semiwadcutter type of slug.

[keith44]

Why not just take a hollow point and file the nose flat. You would have a hollow point semiwadcutter type of slug.

I expect the hollow point would fill over unevenly and not fly true