FOUND! 35 Remington Super Data?

[bikerbeans]

I know I have seen 35 Rem Super data posted but I can't find it.  Even the "f3" key in the FAQs didn't help.  Someone point me in the right direction?

I  had a cup of coffee and tried again and there it is.
 
BB

[petemi]

Here's some data for ya Tom.........I'd rent the .356 reamer

Pete

http://www.loaddata.com/members/search_detail.cfm?MetallicID=530&caliber=.35&caliberid=17&header=.35%20Caliber%20Reloading%20Data

[bikerbeans]

Pete,
 
Just about everybody on the forum has a 356/358.    I need to be different, so I am going to try the 35 super for a bit and then see what this barrel morphs into.    If I like the 35 Super as is, then my 357 Maxi Trapper barrel may go under the knife.
 
BB

[quickdtoo]

Super 35 Rem data was in a 1982 Handloader magazine article, here tis, worked for me! 

Tim

[bikerbeans]

Super 35 Rem data was in a 1982 Handloader magazine article, here tis, worked for me! 

Tim

Tim
 
I could shoot groups like that too if the US Gubamint would start making bigger pennies.
 
BB

[quickdtoo]

 

[mo_bio]

Super 35 Rem data was in a 1982 Handloader magazine article, here tis, worked for me! 

Tim

Hey Tim,
 
38.5 gr of ?  I wanna make my 35 rem do that!

[quickdtoo]

RL7, my 35 Rem's throat has a long tapered leade, so I worked up to a load that's 1gr higher than the data shows for the 180gr Speer, COL is also long at 2.600". 

Tim

[mo_bio]

RL7, my 35 Rem's throat has a long tapered leade, so I worked up to a load that's 1gr higher than the data shows for the 180gr Speer, COL is also long at 2.600". 

Tim

Thank you sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

[gendoc]

Pete,
 
Just about everybody on the forum has a 356/358.    I need to be different, so I am going to try the 35 super for a bit and then see what this barrel morphs into.    If I like the 35 Super as is, then my 357 Maxi Trapper barrel may go under the knife.
 
BB

bb, i'm with ya ... i gotta #1 in .356 and it ain't no wet dream for shur....
it shoots great, don't get me wrong!!  but to many other sizes roun that'un ballistically does better,
if ya compare like i do.
 
musbea nuther one them rim thangs..........  
 

[Dinny]

Pete,
 
Just about everybody on the forum has a 356/358.    I need to be different, so I am going to try the 35 super for a bit and then see what this barrel morphs into.    If I like the 35 Super as is, then my 357 Maxi Trapper barrel may go under the knife.
 
BB

bb, i'm with ya ... i gotta #1 in .356 and it ain't no wet dream for shur....
it shoots great, don't get me wrong!!  but to many other sizes roun that'un ballistically does better,
if ya compare like i do.
 
musbea nuther one them rim thangs..........  
 

I'm not touching that one. Good luck, maybe CW will.

Here's my 2 cents worth though. As someone else mentioned, you can always down load the 356 Win to 35 Rem velocities, not the other way though.

http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/32-40-38-55-375-other-great-non-standard-calibers/29895-35-rem-vs-356-win.html


Thanks, Dinny

[broom_jm]

I'm not touching that one. Good luck, maybe CW will.

Here's my 2 cents worth though. As someone else mentioned, you can always down load the 356 Win to 35 Rem velocities, not the other way though.

http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/32-40-38-55-375-other-great-non-standard-calibers/29895-35-rem-vs-356-win.html


Thanks, Dinny

For those of us in Indiana, where 35 is the minimum caliber we can use in a deer-hunting rifle, but 1.800" is the maximum case length allowed, this 35Rem/356Win debate takes on a far greater meaning.  Which one of these cartridges, in an H&R, makes the most sense?  Well, that depends on what kind of performance you're seeking, how short of a cartridge neck you feel is TOO SHORT, and how much recoil you're willing to deal with to hunt a li'l ol' deer.

Trimming a 35 Remington to 1.800" means cutting off .120" and leaves you with a neck that is .215" long.

Trimming a 356 to 1.800" means cutting off .215" and leaves a neck that is .150" long.

There is a certain symmetry in these two, for Indiana.    Now, both of these have been tried and tested; both work.  In a single-shot type of rifle, I don't think the short neck is going to be a limitation.  You can't go "wrong" with either, to be honest.

With the strength of the H&R action, you can certainly exceed SAAMI specs a bit on the 35 Remmy, safely pushing a 200gr pointed bullet to ~2,350fps.  Presuming a 200 yard zero, this would give you minute-of-deer trajectory out to nearly 250 yards, where you'd only be 5.5" low.  Your bullet would still be traveling ~1700fps and carrying ~1400ft/lbs of energy.  Plenty for good bullet performance and lethal killing power on a deer.

Add another 30% to all of those numbers for the 356 Winchester.  It extends your range out to roughly 300 yards and still has the stuff to ensure a humane kill.  It is, in all respects, "more gun" than the 35 Remington...that's indisputable, really.

The question, then, is "how much is enough"?  For my shoulder and my deer hunting, 250 yards is enough.  I like the longer neck on the shortened 35 Remington and I like the blend of performance and relatively mild recoil that is brings to the table.  I have nothing against the 356 Winchester and if someone gifted me one, I would not waste time or money on the 35 Remmy, but for my build, I've decided which one is right for me.   YMMV   

[petemi]

broom_jm, believe me, recoil is not a factor with the .356 or .358.  I get more felt recoil out of my straight stocked .30-30 336 than either in the Handi.  Perhaps it's the stock.  I'm a skinny old wimp and I can shoot the Handi all day with a stout load and a 200 grain bullet as opposed to the 170 gr .30-30 factory bullet.  However, my 18 inch barrel does give me a bit of muzzle blast.

Pete

[bikerbeans]

Add another 30% to all of those numbers for the 356 Winchester.
 

A 356 Win will push a 200 grain bullet @ 3,000 FPS?!?  I get right at 3,000 FPS when I add 30% to the 35 Super Data.  Might need a Whelan Improved for that velocity?
 
Off Topic, no way off Topic, would a 50-70 Govt be a legal IN deer cartridge.  Brass length is 1.75". 
 
thanks
 
 
BB

[dave29]

Add another 30% to all of those numbers for the 356 Winchester.
 

A 356 Win will push a 200 grain bullet @ 3,000 FPS?!?  I get right at 3,000 FPS when I add 30% to the 35 Super Data.  Might need a Whelan Improved for that velocity?
 
Off Topic, no way off Topic, would a 50-70 Govt be a legal IN deer cartridge.  Brass length is 1.75". 
 
thanks
 
 
BB

I'm not familiar with the 50-70, but if the brass is only 1.75", it would be legal in Indiana.

[cwlongshot]

Pete,
 
Just about everybody on the forum has a 356/358.    

You say that like its a bad thing...     (Its only 4-6 of us...)

I need to be different, so I am going to try the 35 super for a bit and then see what this barrel morphs into.    If I like the 35 Super as is, then my 357 Maxi Trapper barrel may go under the knife.
 
BB

But the being different part is why a couple of us have the  356!!!

CW

[broom_jm]

Add another 30% to all of those numbers for the 356 Winchester.
 

A 356 Win will push a 200 grain bullet @ 3,000 FPS?!?  I get right at 3,000 FPS when I add 30% to the 35 Super Data.  Might need a Whelan Improved for that velocity?
 
Off Topic, no way off Topic, would a 50-70 Govt be a legal IN deer cartridge.  Brass length is 1.75". 
 
thanks
 
 
BB

Good catch...the 356 Win is about 30% hotter than factory 35 Remington, not the "Super Data" loads.  Looks like it would be about 15% faster? 

I know stock design and rifle weight makes a big difference in felt recoil.  I also know that a 35 Remmy loaded with the loads listed in this thread would be just about perfect for the kind of hunting I do in Indiana.

[bikerbeans]

broom,
 
I am head in out to da Possum Lodge to nite to load up some of those 35 Rem Super Shorts (1.8" case) and head to the range on Tuesday.  RL7, 200 grain Hornady RNs, no crimp, bullet touching the rifling.  Start real low and see how she goes.  I am glad the couple hundred pieces of brass that came with the barrel are once fired, I would feel bad doing a nose job on new cases.   I like the idea of this particular .358 IN deer gun cause no chamber mods. are required.  Of course hangin' out on this forum like I do there is always the possibility that I might catch the 356W bug.
 
BB

[gendoc]

broom,
 
  Of course hangin' out on this forum like I do there is always the possibility that I might catch the 356W bug.
 
BB

 

[goofyoldfart]

Broom and/or Dave29 : I know that I have not kept up on the DNR rulings in IN. concerning the lengths of the single shot rifles. the last that I knew was 1.625 inches. and it was my understanding that it had to be a PISTOL round. Have the laws been changed this year or what?
  Denny you can jump on this too, iffen you want. last couple of months I been sick and working on about 10 computers for the 'hood people and just haven't been able to keep up with everything.
  I just picked up a brand new 357maggie in black synthetic stock and want load it up for 38/357 ,but if things have changed--it's gonna be a Maxie instead of a Maggie. and I'll get another to do the 35 rem or 356 and meet the length requirements. . if this is so----------  it's a no-brainer!!!!!!!! . thanks for any info (do you have a link?).  God Bless to all and theirs.

                                                GOF aka Goofy(lately Grumpy )

[omegahunter]

gof-
The legislation was introduced as straight-walled pistol cartidges, but was never passed with any of that language.  Only minimum bullet diameter and minimum and maximum cartridge brass length.  Max length at first passage was 1.625 inches, but it just got bumped to 1.800 inches.  Bullet diameter has always been .357 or larger.  And also, there is no action limitations either.

[dave29]

gof-
The legislation was introduced as straight-walled pistol cartidges, but was never passed with any of that language.  Only minimum bullet diameter and minimum and maximum cartridge brass length.  Max length at first passage was 1.625 inches, but it just got bumped to 1.800 inches.  Bullet diameter has always been .357 or larger.  And also, there is no action limitations either.

This. It does not have to be a pistol round as long as it meets the criteria.

Max length of 1.8" and bullet diameter of .357 or larger. I can't remember the minimum case length off the top of my head, but it doesn't really matter because you will be way longer than it.

[goofyoldfart]

Hey Guys---haven't had a chance for awhile to get back at you, too many V.A. trips to give the Docs some practice. thanks for straightening me out on the subject. I think that this season it is going to stay as a 357maggie (money/SS). But the name of the game is HUNTING, so the maggie will do the job iffn' I do my part of the job. Again, thank you for the info. God Bless to all and yours.

                            GOF (not so grumpy lately)

[twoshooter]

The 1.800 upgrade is good to know, as is the pistol round info. If I run across a reasonable deal on a 357 barrel, Larry gave me a quote to ream it to 357 Herrett, I have the dies and I used to have a contender in that chambering, it worked great. A shorty in that would keep me separated from all the 356'ers AND has a rim  , and works well with the tons  of 30/30 brass available instead of camping out and waiting for Maxi brass.

[44 Man]

Indiana sounds like a perfect place for the 'Max'.    44 Man

[petemi]

Lewis, I think any place on Earth is the perfect place for the Max.  It's everything from a .22LR to a .35 Rem.  It don't get no better

Pete