Author Topic: Zimmerman / Martin = What a mess that should not have happened (Read 3395 times)

stimpylu32 · « **on:** April 10, 2012, 01:22:46 PM »

All over the News and Inter- net we hear about how " They said this or they said that " . There are only 2 people that truly know what happened in that yard and one is not going to be able to say .

The worst part is that it never NEEDED to happen , just because you have a weapon with you , should you be the one to confront someone ? Until Zimmerman made the first contact there was no immediate threat to life or safety , he could have just as easily kept Martin in view , waited for police and this whole mess could have been avoided .

If your going to take on the responsibility of carrying a handgun , use the brains that god gave you and judge for yourself - DO I NEED TO DO THIS !

Just my opinion , and as they say " Opinions very like a--holes .

stimpy

m-g Willy · « **Reply #1 on:** April 10, 2012, 05:01:14 PM »

Quote from: stimpylu32 on April 10, 2012, 01:22:46 PM

The worst part is that it never NEEDED to happen , If your going to take on the responsibility of carrying a handgun , use the brains that god gave you and judge for yourself - DO I NEED TO DO THIS !

Just my opinion , and as they say " Opinions very like a--holes .

stimpy

You're right,, it didn't have to happen.
It was a closed gated neighborhood.
Martin didn't live there.
Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch that night.
Witness seen Martin on top of Zimmerman pounding on him with Zimmerman screaming for help.
So once again I agree with you that it didn't have to happen,,,, (IF) only Martin would have kept his hands to himself he would be alive today!

m-g Willy · « **Reply #2 on:** April 11, 2012, 04:19:20 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on April 11, 2012, 03:55:46 AM

. The Kid had just as much right to 'stand ground' as Z per FL Law.
...TM7

"Standing your ground"
Doesn't mean you can "be the agressor'
Standing your ground is about self defence ,not attacking someone because you don't like them .

powderman · « **Reply #3 on:** April 11, 2012, 04:28:33 AM »

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Standing your ground"
Doesn't mean you can "be the agressor'
Standing your ground is about self defence ,not attacking someone because you don't like them .

Agreed Sir. POWDERMAN.

coyotejoe · « **Reply #4 on:** April 11, 2012, 05:10:51 AM »

So far as is known from Zimmerman's account, from the 911 call and from witnesses, Zimmerman did not "make contact". He was returning to his car when attacked by Martin. People want to use this incident as an indictment of Florida's "stand your ground law" but as it appears now Zimmerman was on his back being beaten and would be justified in defending himself about anywhere, retreat was not an option. So far as we now know, and we probably know all we ever will, Zimmerman did no wrong. He was involved in his community in a positive way, not "looking for trouble" but trying to prevent it. It is true that this never would have happened if Zimmerman had stayed at home hiding under his bed. The real truth is that this was just one of hundreds of deaths that "need never have happened" but certain agitators and race baiters have chosen to use this boy's coffin as their pedestal from which to spew hatred and a call for violence. This black man puts it very well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LONUecnsMb8&feature=g-all-u&context=G2325350FAAAAAAAAOAA

powderman · « **Reply #5 on:** April 11, 2012, 05:49:20 AM »

COYOTEJOE. Good post Sir and thanks for the link, it was very good too. POWDERMAN.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #6 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:25:31 AM »

I wonder what is all behind Zimmerman's lawyers dropping his case?
GuzziJohn

Land_Owner · « **Reply #7 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:35:09 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on April 11, 2012, 06:25:31 AM

I wonder what is all behind Zimmerman's lawyers dropping his case?
GuzziJohn

Zimmerman went AWOL for the weekend, wasn't answering his attorney's phone calls, is out of the State (or so it is reported - and that is no inditement of anything other than staying LOW), and he talked directly to the Special Prosecutor without representation against his attorney's advise...so THEY DROPPED HIM (I think).

coyotejoe · « **Reply #8 on:** April 11, 2012, 10:36:11 AM »

Well of course he is in hiding, to appear in public would be suicide. If he were staying at your house would you want that fact widely known? I really don't see how he can ever feel safe in public. Aside from the Black Panthers $10,000 bounty on his head there are lots of psychos who would kill him and gladly go to prison just for the notoriety.

mechanic · « **Reply #9 on:** April 11, 2012, 11:27:14 AM »

I agree with Stimpy. As long as the kid was not endangering anyone, Zimmerman should have waited for the cops....not tried to act like one.

I am neighborhood watch on my street along with two others. The only way I would confront someone is if someone else were in immediate danger.

Just MHO.

Ben

powderman · « **Reply #10 on:** April 11, 2012, 11:44:55 AM »

http://www.whas11.com/news/national/Fla-prosecutors-charge-Zimmerman-in-Trayvon-Martin-shooting-147023825.html

What a shame. The panthers, al, jesse, and the other whitey haters have their way. POWDERMAN.

DDZ · « **Reply #11 on:** April 11, 2012, 11:56:14 AM »

I think we all agree that no one knows exactly what happened except Zimmerman. So how is it that Zimmerman made the bad decision? If you are armed and someone attacks you When do you make the decision that your life is threatened? Do you let the attacker pound on you while waiting to see if he pulls a knife or gun. Or do you wait until he stabs or fires a shot at you? Or do you pull your gun and shoot him? I'm sure Zimmermen had no idea if Martin was armed. Anyway from what a witness said Martin was pounding on Zimmerman. How long would one of you guys let an attacker pound on you before you stopped it? Based on what is known how did Zimmerman make a bad decision?

mechanic · « **Reply #12 on:** April 11, 2012, 12:06:34 PM »

Quote from: DDZ on April 11, 2012, 11:56:14 AM

I think we all agree that no one knows exactly what happened except Zimmerman. So how is it that Zimmerman made the bad decision? If you are armed and someone attacks you When do you make the decision that your life is threatened? Do you let the attacker pound on you while waiting to see if he pulls a knife or gun. Or do you wait until he stabs or fires a shot at you? Or do you pull your gun and shoot him? I'm sure Zimmermen had no idea if Martin was armed. Anyway from what a witness said Martin was pounding on Zimmerman. How long would one of you guys let an attacker pound on you before you stopped it? Based on what is known how did Zimmerman make a bad decision?

Based on what has been released, he had called 911, and was advised not to pursue, to wait on the cops. IF that is true, he should have done just that. If the evidence is otherwise, I hope it comes out so in court. I wish the man no ill will, but I still insist that it's best to avoid a confrontation if you can...if you can't act accordingly.

Ben

powderman · « **Reply #13 on:** April 11, 2012, 12:07:40 PM »

News just showed him being charged with 2nd deg murder. POWDERMAN.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #14 on:** April 11, 2012, 12:09:08 PM »

Actually, none of this speculation matters.....when Obummer joined in the lynch mob Zimmerman became a "dead man walking". Any chance he had of a fair trial went right the window.Zimmerman knew it, we all knew it, so the schmuk tried to make a deal with the "special prosecutor". I hope he lives through it. $:-\$

Ron/Pa. · « **Reply #15 on:** April 11, 2012, 12:38:29 PM »

WOW. what a shock and surprise!! Let the Celebrations begin...wander what they will set Fire to first?

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yellowtail3 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 11, 2012, 12:43:21 PM »

The OP is confused - again - and stuck on race. This is about undermining 2nd Amendment rights and the concept of armed self defense, pure and simple - the racial angle is just gravy that enables it.

powderman · « **Reply #17 on:** April 11, 2012, 12:49:33 PM »

Quote from: Cuts Crooked on April 11, 2012, 12:09:08 PM

Actually, none of this speculation matters.....when Obummer joined in the lynch mob Zimmerman became a "dead man walking". Any chance he had of a fair trial went right the window.Zimmerman knew it, we all knew it, so the schmuk tried to make a deal with the "special prosecutor". I hope he lives through it. $:-\$

CUTS. Agreed Sir. Obummer chiming in got the natives even more stirred up than they were. He is more than happy to trade Zimmermans life for black and liberal votes. POWDERMAN.

Graybeard · « **Reply #18 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:00:20 PM »

I don't understand why some of you are assuming Zimmerman made contact with him. He was asked by 911 if he was following and yes. He was told to stop and he said OK. Why assume he didn't do as he said?

Evidence released so far tends to make me believe he stopped following and then was attacked from the rear.

Swampman · « **Reply #19 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:10:30 PM »

It's also designed to help Obama get re-elected.

gypsyman · « **Reply #20 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:31:57 PM »

If it turns out like the Rodney King fiasco, don't think I want to take the family to DisneyWorld this summer!gypsyman

jlwilliams · « **Reply #21 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:40:38 PM »

Actually,Zimmerman didn't call 9-1-1, he called the police department directly on the non emergency line. Not that it makes a huge difference, but I mention it for accuracy.

We don't know what happened. What we do get from the limited information released so far does seem like Zimmerman thought he was Barney Feiff and confronted Martin. Martin being a 17 year old athlete he was likely far more agressive and physically capable than the overweight 'watch captain'. In short, Zimmermam bit off more than he could chew. At the moment of the shot, he was likely in mortal danger. He got in that danger because he exercised poor judgement and exercised authority he didn't have. A thinking neighborhood watch volunteer would have made the phone call, kept his distance and maybe followed the suspicious individual. Maybe snap a picture. Confronting someone with "What are you doing in my neighborhood?!" shouldn't have earned him a butt whooping....but that's what young Martin gave him.

No fooling, when a body builder takes steroids, the target testoserone blood level is about what a teenager naturally has. This is one reason why teenagers get in more fights that any other age group. Having some chubby toolbag get in his face could be all it took to start the dance. Maybe Martin saw the gun and tried to take it. Maybe he just started smashing head because it was a bad week and this guy opened the whoopass can. Whatever. Once it started, Zimmerman was in big trouble. But it seems from all accounts that it started because Zimmerman initiated contact with a person he was suspicous of. Who gave him the right to go confront anybody? Does the apartment association have that right to delegate? Like I said before, this guy apears to have a serious Barney Feiff complex.

The big question will be, does it matter if Zimmerman 'started' the confrontation? He was clearly in fear for his life when he shot, but did he put himself there? Does that matter?

My prediction is that the outcome of the court case will have more to do with political concearns than with truth or justice. The State of Florida doesn't want to host the next Watts/Rodney King style riots. They will throw Zimmerman under the bus because that is what they need to do. Truth, Justice and the American Way be damned in the face of political expediency. I don't like that one bit, but I think that is how it will pan out.

gypsyman · « **Reply #22 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:43:59 PM »

And the one thing we can all be assured of, a fair trail will never happen. Way to much publicity now. And, if acquitted, riots galore. gypsyman

hillbill · « **Reply #23 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:52:20 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard on April 11, 2012, 01:00:20 PM

I don't understand why some of you are assuming Zimmerman made contact with him. He was asked by 911 if he was following and yes. He was told to stop and he said OK. Why assume he didn't do as he said?

Evidence released so far tends to make me believe he stopped following and then was attacked from the rear.

egzactly!

jlwilliams · « **Reply #24 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:53:24 PM »

I doubt anyone is gald that Trayvon Martin died young, but I think that there are some who think that since it did happen they are glad to have it in an election year. I am sickened to see the politicians feather their nests with the destruction of two families.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:55:40 PM »

Quote from: jlwilliams on April 11, 2012, 01:40:38 PM

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all plausible

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My prediction is that the outcome of the court case will have more to do with political concearns than with truth or justice. The State of Florida doesn't want to host the next Watts/Rodney King style riots. They will throw Zimmerman under the bus because that is what they need to do. Truth, Justice and the American Way be damned in the face of political expediency. I don't like that one bit, but I think that is how it will pan out.

I don't like it either, and you're probably pretty close to the mark. If the evidence warrants it - and to me that means, did Martin attack Zimmerman - I'd hope for a acquittal, but that's a slender reed. In this case, the truth isn't the main thing, and neither is justice.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #26 on:** April 11, 2012, 02:06:30 PM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on April 11, 2012, 12:43:21 PM

The OP is confused - again - and stuck on race. This is about undermining 2nd Amendment rights and the concept of armed self defense, pure and simple - the racial angle is just gravy that enables it.

Pretty hard not to see it as a race thing with two of the biggest race riot inciters in the country leading the charge isn't it? I see it as both!It may not have started that way, but it dang sure is now and will be in the court room.Zimmerman will be labeled a white man even though his mother was a Peruvian Indian (I think). He should be considered a minority as well!If you have a Black mother and white father or the other way around, you are considered a Black or African American.The Black part is the preferred choice, because it makes one a minority with special privileges. Affirmative action and other special consideration perks!To label Zimmerman a Caucasian, they already have a huge prosecutorial advantage. "IMHO"

lakota · « **Reply #27 on:** April 11, 2012, 02:45:36 PM »

There is no way this guy gets a fair trial.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #28 on:** April 11, 2012, 02:49:48 PM »

since when did 911 dispatchers weild such authority??

powderman · « **Reply #29 on:** April 11, 2012, 03:01:32 PM »

HUNTER. Good post Sir, I agree. Obummer entered the fray to stir up hatred for whitey and to get back the black voters he has lost, as well as courting the liberals. He has intentionally hung a target on Zimmerman, anything to keep power.
LAKOTA. NO, he's not supposed to, thats the whole idea. POWDERMAN.