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Offline briannmilewis

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Is this a fireforming proposition?
« on: April 10, 2012, 07:15:10 PM »
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Re: Is this a fireforming proposition?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 01:53:06 AM »
Have to use a full length die to set the shoulder back and establish headspace and then fireform to blow the body out.

That thing is going to have a very long neck!

Why not just shoot a .222?

 
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Re: Is this a fireforming proposition?
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 01:12:18 PM »
Thanks for the prep info. Cheap brass, and you never now what we may be able to accomplish with long necks and heavy bullets.

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Re: Is this a fireforming proposition?
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 02:29:06 PM »
what weight bullets are you wanting to shoot? what twist barrel are you going to use?

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Re: Is this a fireforming proposition?
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2012, 02:32:13 PM »
Yep, that's why I built my 6mm - 222. Cheap brass anyhow, I make them from .223 I pick up at the range.  It's a slow twist barrel so no heavy bullets though. But it shoots sub MOA with cast bullets and VV 10B101 powder, so it's way cheaper to use than a 22LR with a whole lot more effect!   
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Re: Is this a fireforming proposition?
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2012, 08:36:35 PM »
Hillbill: Have not made any decisions on bullet weights and powder and twist yet.

With the really long neck, as the powder capacity is probably about 88% of a 22BR, the .570 BC 90gr JLK (that makes for the ultimate 22BR long-range load) would be fun to try in a nice slow twist of 1:7 or 1:8.

Nobade: Sounds good.

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Re: Is this a fireforming proposition?
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2012, 05:40:36 PM »
Yep, that's why I built my 6mm - 222. Cheap brass anyhow, I make them from .223 I pick up at the range.  It's a slow twist barrel so no heavy bullets though. But it shoots sub MOA with cast bullets and VV 10B101 powder, so it's way cheaper to use than a 22LR with a whole lot more effect!

Could you enlighten me on how to shoot something like that for less than a 22long rifle?

around here 22lr = 3.6cents per shot..... just primers for center fire are close to 4cents per shot...

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Re: Is this a fireforming proposition?
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2012, 01:12:13 AM »
Sure. I cast bullets from recycled range lead. Bullets are free. Cases are picked up at the range. They are free.  VV10B101 powder cost me $35/8lb. or $4.38/lb. from Jeff Bartlett.  I use 10gr. of it per shot, so $.0006 or 6 tenths of a cent per shot. Primers I buy from Graf's for $85/5000 or $.017 each or 1.7 cents per shot. Total is 2.3 cents per shot. If I load it to its limit, I also use gas checks. They are $23/1000 or 2.3 cents per shot. That ups the cost to 4 cents per shot.

El Cheapo 22LR ammo at Wal-Mart is $18.97 for 525 rds, or 3.6 cents per shot. But that ammo isn't accurate enough for typical target use, so I buy something like the Eley midrange ammo for, say, $6 for 50 or 12 cents per shot. Not to mention the really good stuff I use for more demanding shooting like ARA benchrest, which is $14/50 or 28 cents per shot.

Of course this doesn't account for tax or shipping, nor do I cost out my time to make bullets since I don't get paid for that and it's a hobby. But you get the idea. Most of my small rifle and pistol shooting is now cheaper to do than 22LR shooting, though I do have to put the time into making the ammunition whereas I can just grab a box of 22LR and go play. Muzzle loaders are even better, I just have to make bullets for those and don't have any cartridge cases to fool with.
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Re: Is this a fireforming proposition?
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2012, 04:20:45 AM »
nice, now shooting for that cheap i could get really really excited about.....

too bad around here i cannot get primers that cheap.....


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Re: Is this a fireforming proposition?
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2012, 01:45:20 PM »
I just order them from Graf's.  Powder Valley has 'em too from time to time. The Wolf brand were that cheap, but went up. But the Tula brand are still $85/case according to their newest sale flyer. They seem to both be the same primer, and work great. Shortly they are going to have Fiocci primers as well, those should be pretty cheap and the cases are huge so they'll last a while.


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