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Judge slaps Dearborn with restraining order in Terry Jones case Published: Saturday, April 07, 2012          Terry Jones is scheduled to speak out on preferential treatment for Muslims at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn Saturday. The mosque is the largest in North America. (File Photo by Millard Berry/P&G)
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DETROIT — A federal judge sided with Terry Jones Thursday and granted a temporary restraining order against the city of Dearborn.

Calling it “clearly unconstitutional,” U.S. District Judge Denise Page Hood blasted the city’s demand that Jones and his supporters sign a hold-harmless agreement in order to obtain a permit to speak against Islam in front of Dearborn’s Islamic Center of America.

City attorneys had argued previously that the requirement is standard for any special event. Generally, a hold-harmless agreement would absolve the city of liability for anything that happens during a special event with the terms and conditions subject to the legal department’s discretion on a case-by-case basis.

Hood took particular exception to the last part.
 
“It is well recognized that an ordinance which grants an administrative body or government official unfettered discretion to regulate the licensing of activities protected by the First Amendment is unconstitutional,” she wrote in her order.

Jones, whose presence nearly led to a riot last time he demonstrated in Dearborn, now will be able to hold his event without the agreement. Jones’ attorneys with the Thomas More Law Center said the city dropped the requirement for the hold-harmless agreement just minutes before Hood filed her opinion.

In published reports, TMLC President Richard Thompson insinuated that by dropping the demand, city attorneys showed that they knew all along that it was unconstitutional.

A message seeking comment from Thompson was not immediately returned.

City attorneys, however, said earlier this week that had Jones gone to the site — a narrow grassy median between Ford Road and Altar Road — without a permit he would have been allowed to protest anyway.

“We were trying to help him by facilitating his event in an area that’s not conducive to pedestrian traffic. That’s the only reason we were looking for this, so we can help him conduct his event,” attorney Laurie Ellerbrake said Tuesday morning. Continued...
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As long as he isn't in their mosque and not on their property, why give him a hard time ?
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This is just one brief skirmish in the crusade against the dangers of Islam.    We must always remain vigilant, and have a little bit of bacon grease nearby.

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Hope it makes the national news.  I want to hear what he says.
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As long as he isn't in their mosque and not on their property, why give him a hard time ?

 
IG. He preaches about JESUS, the you know whats can't stand it, truth about Jesus scares em. I wish Pastor Jones good luck, there might actually be souls saved. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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As long as he isn't in their mosque and not on their property, why give him a hard time ?

 
IG. He preaches about JESUS, the you know whats can't stand it, truth about Jesus scares em. I wish Pastor Jones good luck, there might actually be souls saved. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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   That' is, according to the bible..what we should expect !
 
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Terry Jones is scheduled to speak out on preferential treatment for Muslims at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn Saturday. The mosque is the largest in North America.
Whaaat? He's scheduled to speak? Who scheduled him? Anyhow... If Pastor Terry (?) wants to talk to the Muslims there or their congregation, I'm sure they'd be happy to meet with him.
 
If he's concerned about preferential treatment - is the mosque in violation of some zoning rule, that requires an out-of-town dingbat preacher's ministrations to correct? - then I suspect he could address city council/whoever is governing body.
 
He preaches about JESUS, the you know whats can't stand it, truth about Jesus scares em. I wish Pastor Jones good luck, there might actually be souls saved. POWDERMAN.  :o :o

Give me a break... from what little I know of 'Pastor' Terry, fulfilling the Great Commission isn't his bag. He probably doesn't even know what the 10/40 window is.
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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IRONGLOW. Looks like the muslims aren't the only ones who are afraid to hear about Jesus. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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IRONGLOW. Looks like the muslims aren't the only ones who are afraid to hear about Jesus. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
You oughta spell out who the non-Muslims are that you're referring to, unless of course this is a private conversation. I figure since it's a public thread, it's not.
 
Why might they be afraid? Perhaps some Dominionist dimbulb is coming to badmouth the religion they grew up with in order to raise money or just get his name in the press, instead of doing something useful - say, attending a Perspectives course and learning something about where to best put mission efforts, and then educating his flock on same?
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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IRONGLOW. Jesus went among thieves and all matter of sinners to lead them to God. Pastor Jones knows where these followers of the false pedophile prophet are going unless they repent and come to Jesus and he feels they are worth saving. May God be with him. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: Judge hits dearborn with restraining order on behalf of Terry Jones.
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2012, 04:42:15 AM »
hey PM, I think you hit a nerve.
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Re: Judge hits dearborn with restraining order on behalf of Terry Jones.
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2012, 04:43:37 AM »
IRONGLOW. Jesus went among thieves and all matter of sinners to lead them to God. Pastor Jones knows where these followers of the false pedophile prophet are going unless they repent and come to Jesus and he feels they are worth saving. May God be with him. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Ah... so the lovin' pastor is on a going soul winnin' in front of the Mosque - motivated by love, no doubt. Will he be burning Qu'rans in an effort to pursuade their hearts?
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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Re: Judge hits dearborn with restraining order on behalf of Terry Jones.
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2012, 05:31:59 AM »
hey PM, I think you hit a nerve.

 
BUGEYE. Ya think?? I figgered the ishmaelites would be slithering in. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: Judge hits dearborn with restraining order on behalf of Terry Jones.
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2012, 10:30:02 AM »
Takes a strong man to walk into satans den knowing that satan wants him dead. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: Judge hits dearborn with restraining order on behalf of Terry Jones.
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2012, 11:00:46 AM »
IRONGLOW. Looks like the muslims aren't the only ones who are afraid to hear about Jesus. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Ummm, Jones wasn't 'scheduled' there to talk about Jesus.....Your article says he was scheduled to talk about ''preferential treatment moslems get...".....which obviously sounds like a topic Jesus would speak about... ::) ::) ::)  So I reckon its pretty 'preferential' when you rail against moslems, or recommend burning their scriptures, right in front of their mosque...Yup, that's pretty preferential.. :o
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But we are all born into different 'streams' of life in this world....reckon thats why Jesus was a fisher of men, but could you or IG tell me where in the Bible it is that Jesus endorsed and recommended the preferential persecution of ishmaelites, or their decendants....?  Thanx..
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   My article ?  I didn't post an article.. ;)
 
     Scriptural correction:   Jesus never claimed to be a "fisher of men"... He only told the apostles that He would teach THEM to become "fishers of men".. ;)
 
   Of course, during Jesus' ministry on earth there were no Muslims, Mohammed invented Islam 600 years later.  However, Jesus DID enter into the temple and speak...He even overturned the tables of the money changers and caused a real ruckus.  This after he had took cords and made a whip to back up his insistence !  (John 2:15)
   Jesus is not the Wimp some of you guys would like to picture him as.. at one time a crowd tried to grab him so as to kill Him..buy He strode right through them and went his way.  (Matt 21:46)
 
   No, preaching can get assertive at times..not my style, but for some..here are some of His instructions:
 
   " And the master said to the servant, ‘Go out to the highways and hedges and compel people to come in, that my house may be filled."     (Luke 14;23)
 
  BTW:  Now you go to extrapolating..I never suggested burning their korans..even though it drives them bonkers.. Besides, if he was invited..why worry ?  Anyway; I just enjoy "pulling your chain". ;)   ;D
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Re: Judge hits dearborn with restraining order on behalf of Terry Jones.
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2012, 01:09:15 PM »
IG. Good post Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: Judge hits dearborn with restraining order on behalf of Terry Jones.
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2012, 11:23:17 AM »
IG. I'm looking forward to seeing the love, peace, and tolerance that pastor Jones is sure to encounter. There may even be souls taken from satan, back to God, the real one. I wish him luck, we should all pray for him. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: Judge hits dearborn with restraining order on behalf of Terry Jones.
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2012, 01:16:06 PM »
IG. I'm looking forward to seeing the love, peace, and tolerance that pastor Jones is sure to encounter.
I can only wonder how much love, peace & tolerance come Christians might display should a group of people in muslim garb burn bibles Chick Tracts outside church one day, while they railed about how evil the churchgoers were...
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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Re: Judge hits dearborn with restraining order on behalf of Terry Jones.
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2012, 05:01:06 PM »
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City attorneys had argued previously that the requirement is standard for any special event. Generally, a hold-harmless agreement would absolve the city of liability for anything that happens during a special event with the terms and conditions subject to the legal department’s discretion on a case-by-case basis.


 
That would have been like giving the you know whats a license to kill, if they too were included. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: Judge hits dearborn with restraining order on behalf of Terry Jones.
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2012, 05:25:48 PM »
IG. I'm looking forward to seeing the love, peace, and tolerance that pastor Jones is sure to encounter.
I can only wonder how much love, peace & tolerance come Christians might display should a group of people in muslim garb burn bibles Chick Tracts outside church one day, while they railed about how evil the churchgoers were...

yt3,

If I ever saw a bunch of Muslims burning Bibles, I would just start handing out hotdogs made with pork and tell them don't let a good fire go to waste.   I can't do anything to stop the unbelievers from burning Bibles, but I sure can protect the virgins in Paradise a little longer!

Also, I ain't sure what kind of food Chick Tracts are, but I have a case of Mohammed's Finest Extra Spicy Pork Rinds.   Does that count?   ;D ;D

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Re: Judge hits dearborn with restraining order on behalf of Terry Jones.
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2012, 06:04:31 PM »
SWAMPTHING. Good post Sir. I think Pastor Jones is really concerned about saving souls, why else would he go into satans realm??  He knows what islam is and where these people are headed. Every convert to islam is a soul lost to satan himself. WE are all Gods children and maybe some of them can be reached. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: Judge hits dearborn with restraining order on behalf of Terry Jones.
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2012, 03:53:27 AM »
many are still railing about the BHO statement about clinqers of guns and Bibles, which should have been just laughed off.
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laughed off??  the muslim in the whitehouse was dead serious.
guns and Bibles don't fit his agenda.
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Re: Judge hits dearborn with restraining order on behalf of Terry Jones.
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2012, 01:15:32 PM »
many are still railing about the BHO statement about clinqers of guns and Bibles, which should have been just laughed off.
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laughed off??  the muslim in the whitehouse was dead serious.
guns and Bibles don't fit his agenda.

 
BUGEYE. Agreed Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm