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The rise of aetheism in America.
« on: April 13, 2012, 02:14:26 PM »
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 The rise of atheism in AmericaBy The Week's Editorial Staff | The Week – 13 hrs ago        The number of disbelievers is growing, but they remain America's least trusted minority. Why? How many atheists are there?
It depends on your definition of the term. Only between 1.5 and 4 percent of Americans admit to so-called "hard atheism," the conviction that no higher power exists. But a much larger share of the American public (19 percent) spurns organized religion in favor of a nondefined skepticism about faith. This group, sometimes collectively labeled the "Nones," is growing faster than any religious faith in the U.S. About two thirds of Nones say they are former believers; 24 percent are lapsed Catholics and 29 percent once identified with other Christian denominations. David Silverman, president of American Atheists, claims these Nones as members of his tribe. "If you don't have a belief in God, you're an atheist," he said. "It doesn't matter what you call yourself."
Why are so many people leaving religion?
It's primarily a backlash against the religious Right, say political scientists Robert Putnam and David Campbell. In their book, American Grace, they argue that the religious Right's politicization of faith in the 1990s turned younger, socially liberal Christians away from churches, even as conservatives became more zealous. The dropouts were turned off by churches' Old Testament condemnation of homosexuals, premarital sex, contraception, and abortion. The Catholic Church's sex scandals also prompted millions to equate religion with moralistic hypocrisy. "While the Republican base has become ever more committed to mixing religion and politics," Putnam and Campbell write, "the rest of the country has been moving in the opposite direction." As society becomes more secular, researchers say, doubters are more confident about identifying themselves as nonbelievers. "The collapse of institutional religion in the first 10 years of this century [has] freed so many people to say they don't really care," said author Diana Butler Bass.
How are nonbelievers perceived?
Most polls suggest that atheists are among the most disliked groups in the U.S. One study last year asked participants whether a fictional hit-and-run driver was more likely to be an atheist or a rapist. A majority chose atheist. In 2006, another study found that Americans rated atheists as less likely to agree with their vision of America than Muslims, Hispanics, or homosexuals. "Wherever there are religious majorities, atheists are among the least trusted people," said University of British Columbia sociologist Will M. Gervais. As a result, avowed atheists are rare in nearly all areas of public life. Of the 535 legislators in Congress, for example, only one — Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) — calls himself an atheist. Few sports stars or Hollywood celebrities own up to having no religious faith.
Why so much distrust?
Many Americans raised in the Judeo-Christian tradition are convinced that atheists can have no moral compass. Azim Shariff, a University of Oregon psychologist who studies religious thinking, sums up how believers view nonbelievers: "They don't fear God, so we should distrust them. They do not have the same moral obligations as others." The antipathy may have actually grown with the recent emergence of "New Atheist" writers such as Richard Dawkins and the late Christopher Hitchens, who have launched impassioned attacks on organized religion. Dawkins has encouraged his followers to "ridicule" anyone who could believe in "an unforgiving control freak" and "a capriciously malevolent bully" like the God portrayed in the Old Testament. Dawkins's harsh approach, said Barbara J. King, an anthropologist at the College of William and Mary, has confirmed "some of the negative stereotypes associated with the nonreligious — intolerance of the faithful, first and foremost."
How have atheists responded to this negative image?
A coalition of nonbelievers is out to make atheism more acceptable, starting with last month's "Reason Rally" on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., where thousands stood up for their right to not believe. Silverman of American Atheists, who helped organize the rally, said it was intended to give heart to young, "closet atheists" who fear the social stigma of being "outed," in much the same way closeted gays do. "We will never be closeted again," he said. Some within the movement advocate taking a more conciliatory approach to believers, too. Alain de Botton, the Anglo-Swiss writer of the new book Religion for Atheists, assails Dawkins as being "very narrow-minded," and praises religions as "the most successful educational and intellectual movements the planet has ever witnessed."
Will atheism ever be accepted?
If growth continues at the current rate, one in four Americans will profess no religious faith within 20 years. Silverman hopes that as nonbelief spreads, atheists can become a "legitimate political segment of the American population," afforded the same protections as religious groups and ethnic minorities. But he's not advocating a complete secular takeover of the U.S. — nor would he be likely to achieve one, given the abiding religious faith of most Americans. "We don't want the obliteration of religion; we don't want religion wiped off the face of the earth," Silverman said. "All we demand is equality."
Atheists in foxholes
Atheists are barely visible in politics and entertainment, but they are clamoring for recognition in another area of public life — the military. The Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers estimates that 40,000 soldiers identify as nonbelievers, and counts the most famous casualty of the war in Afghanistan, former NFL star Pat Tillman, as one of its own. In attempting to secure the same rights and support enjoyed by religious soldiers, the association lobbies against the idea that "there are no atheists in foxholes," and wants "atheist chaplains" made available for the ranks of the armed nonbelievers. Jason Torpy, the association's president, says that nonbelievers outnumber every religious group in the military except Christians, yet receive no ethical and family counseling geared to their own nonbeliefs. "These are things that chaplains do for everybody," he said, "except us."
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Re: The rise of aetheism in America.
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 02:16:48 PM »
The problem I see in being an atheist is not being able to celebrate enough holidays.
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Re: The rise of aetheism in America.
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2012, 02:50:13 PM »
The problem I see in being an atheist is not being able to celebrate enough holidays.

 
KIMBER. Their problems are far greater than that. Their biggest and most important holiday was set aside just for them, April 1st, or April fools day. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
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Re: The rise of aetheism in America.
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2012, 03:27:11 PM »
The problem I see in being an atheist is not being able to celebrate enough holidays.

KIMBER. Their problems are far greater than that. Their biggest and most important holiday was set aside just for them, April 1st, or April fools day. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
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Re: The rise of aetheism in America.
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2012, 03:47:51 PM »
 
 
      (Matthew 5:22)
    " But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with  his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
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  YT;
   looks like you have a misapplication of scripture there...doesn't it !  An athiest is no "brother' to a Christian.
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2012, 04:01:54 PM »
I see no reason to worry about it.  Religion is a far greater danger to Christans than aetheism will ever be.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2012, 04:39:05 PM »
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  YT;
   looks like you have a misapplication of scripture there...doesn't it !  An athiest is no "brother' to a Christian.

 
IG. And you are surprised at that?? Actually what I said was basicly what a judge said to an aetheist who filed suit because he said they had no holiday like  religions do. The judge made the statement then dismissed the case. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2012, 04:43:51 PM »
  YT;
   looks like you have a misapplication of scripture there...doesn't it !  An athiest is no "brother' to a Christian.
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Misapplication? Well, someone oughta spell out that verse - it's one of those red ones:
 
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."
 
Is Christian charity only reserved for Christians, and not to be directed toward atheists? Hmmmmm.... maybe I better rethink whom I'm charitable towards!
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2012, 04:55:53 PM »
  I recall hearing the story about the judge.. http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/atheist.asp   Snopes doubts it is true but still it is of little or no consequence.
   Even YT's apologetics explanation didn't get to the point I was emphasizing.. that athiests cannot be brothers to Christians, certainly not in a spiritual sense.  Upon salvation, we are made "a child of God".''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
 
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2012, 05:00:57 PM »
  I recall hearing the story about the judge.. http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/atheist.asp   Snopes doubts it is true but still it is of little or no consequence.
   Even YTs apologetics explanation didn't get to the point I was emphasizing.. that athiests cannot be brothers to Christians, certainly not in a spiritual sense.
Alright, I'll address it now. I believe we're to treat non-believers as we would believers. That is... same charity, respect, and consideration. Forget 'spiritual sense' - we live in a the world, and that's where we deal with folks.
 
For many years I thought of Christians as family, and those who were not, as not family... I believe I was wrong in that view.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2012, 05:06:51 PM »
  I have no problem treating people with the respect they deserve...and I realize that our comportment and good will can lead more to Christ.  However, we should be circumspect when dealing with the world..say nothing of outright atheists.
 
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Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2012, 05:07:35 PM »
I can tell you that most people don't want to be bothered with church or religion. Way too much hassle. Church is a minority activity around here, and this is considered a very religious area.


They don't care about scripture or God or worship or any other religious construct. It's simply not for them. It's not a question of atheism. It's a question of not caring enough to be bothered with being either religious, atheist, or any other person defined in terms of degrees of spirituality.


I can sympathize with them. They've picked their paths and there's nothing wrong with it. At least they are thinking for themselves.

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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2012, 05:14:18 PM »
  Doesn't have to be a hassle, and a person has a right to be atheistic.  However, if a person is one who struggles mentally with the thought of life beyond this spinning globe, he must make a choice.  It doesn't have to be with a brick & mortar (or wood)church.  The real church is in the hearts of mankind, but most of us need instruction and fellowship is a great way to assist in keeping our morals straight.
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  YT;
  I don't recognize this verse;
    But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."


  Guess you will have to furnish a reference..  must be one of those "church of what's happening now" translations..
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2012, 05:20:12 PM »
However, we should be circumspect when dealing with the world..say nothing of outright atheists.

I've heard an accusation that Muslims feel the same way, being wary of non-believers, and treating them differently - different standards - than for fellow believers. I'm taking from you that Christians and Muslims share a similar view, here, on how to treat those... outsiders/unbelievers??
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2012, 05:24:57 PM »
However, we should be circumspect when dealing with the world..say nothing of outright atheists.

I've heard an accusation that Muslims feel the same way, being wary of non-believers, and treating them differently - different standards - than for fellow believers. I'm taking from you that Christians and Muslims share a similar view, here, on how to treat those... outsiders/unbelievers??
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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2012, 05:26:46 PM »
Ironglow:


The concept of life beyond the spinning globe, aka heaven, is a religious construct used to give people some hope. It's not something that people in a state of nature arrive at by themselves. It's very Christian, just as the analogous concept of karma is used in a variety of other religions. It's an idea that is used to help us try to be better than what we started out as and to try to improve ourselves. It's just ine of many kinds of belief, and it's no more or less legitimate than, say, atheism.


In a way, religion is a kind of mob rule that tries to deprive people of other beliefs. Some see it that way.

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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2012, 06:24:53 PM »
YT;
  I don't recognize this verse;
    But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."

Guess you will have to furnish a reference..  must be one of those "church of what's happening now" translations..

I grabbed that text from here http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/job-song-solomon/can-we-call-someone-fool-or-not
 
It's Matthew 5:22 as rendered in the New American Standard Bible. If you don't recognize that scripture, then you're in worse shape than I am... or maybe you're like some of those "If'n it ain't King James, ain't no way it's th' word of Gawd!" fellows I've known who'll disregard scripture not from their approved version. FWIW, NASB is a good English translation, very literal (to a fault, I've heard a couple guys say)
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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2012, 11:33:51 PM »
  I have no problem treating people with the respect they deserve...and I realize that our comportment and good will can lead more to Christ.  However, we should be circumspect when dealing with the world..say nothing of outright atheists.
 
  James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God

Since Jesus' best friend was a harlot then I guess he's in hot water.  Comments like this are the reason I don't like religion.  It's only hurtful and not loving at all.
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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2012, 01:15:15 AM »
 Age ld conflict that will never be settled.  The believers will always believe and use whatever they can to prove their beliefs, etc.  The non-believers will likewise use whatever they can to disprove the others.   Nobody is gonna win because there's no crystal clear way to absolutely prove one is right and the other wrong.  None of that makes either a bad person, just an individual.   
  What I think is happening to the religious interest waining is the hypocrisy involved with it now.  Peace and forgiveness is preached but unless sone sides with them, they're looked down upon and evil.  "Do unto others..."  Guess all those priests want their little boys molested too the right?   Not a business?  Then why the exorbitant "donations" required for services and to overlook things from ones past?    It's all this that I think the public is seeing and not taking a liking to, thus pushing them away from the stricter believing.  To each their own, just don't preach your stuff to me and expect me to become one of the lemmings, errr sheep. ;)
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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2012, 01:38:32 AM »
there's two or three here that need some prayers.  even if you say "don't pray for me" I will anyway.  God doesn't want a single "sheep" to stray from the  flock.
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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2012, 03:48:46 AM »
By removing God and daily prayer from our classrooms in the formative years has contributed greatly to a belief that it is wrong to believe in God and pray. Thank a liberal. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2012, 04:11:29 AM »
By removing God and daily prayer from our classrooms in the formative years has contributed greatly to a belief that it is wrong to believe in God and pray. Thank a liberal. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
What prayers should be said if there are Jewish, Buddish, Hindu etc. students in the classroom?
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Chingachgook, he warned me about people like you. He said "Do not try to understand them".
 "do not try to make them understand you. That is because they are a breed apart and make no sense".
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Re: The rise of aetheism in America.
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2012, 04:18:31 AM »
YT;
  I don't recognize this verse;
    But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."

Guess you will have to furnish a reference..  must be one of those "church of what's happening now" translations..

I grabbed that text from here http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/job-song-solomon/can-we-call-someone-fool-or-not
 
It's Matthew 5:22 as rendered in the New American Standard Bible. If you don't recognize that scripture, then you're in worse shape than I am... or maybe you're like some of those "If'n it ain't King James, ain't no way it's th' word of Gawd!" fellows I've known who'll disregard scripture not from their approved version. FWIW, NASB is a good English translation, very literal (to a fault, I've heard a couple guys say)
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I think we ought to treat atheists as well as Christians, at the least. It would advance the kingdom, and be the right thing to do.
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  There you go again, extrapolating upon what I say.. ;)
    I said nothing about "KIng James only", in fact I am not one of those KJV only guys..  I use some recent translations such as the NKJV which goes back to the recieved text..No problem..but don't expect me to endorse Wescott and Hort..they were a bit to egotistical, too ready to accept anything they could call "earliest".. whether genuine or not.
  For instance, the verse you posted in red...
  Why did they drop the word "fool" and replace it with 4 separate words?  Did they just want to string it out a bit ?  We are of course, working with translations, and if the translation you prefer doesn't believe the word "fool" is descriptive of the situation, why did you take PM to task for repeating a non-descriptive term ?   If the word is of no consequence, why bother ?
   In that same translation..where did they dig up the term "supreme court"?  Is that SCOTUS ?
  NASB is supposed to be using "modern English" and the modern English of "supreme court" has no equivalent in ancient Israel.
  Closest thing would have been the council of the Sanhedrin..or the Roman military rule.. neither of which would bear any resemblance to our Supreme Court.
     
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Re: The rise of aetheism in America.
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2012, 04:29:28 AM »
By removing God and daily prayer from our classrooms in the formative years has contributed greatly to a belief that it is wrong to believe in God and pray. Thank a liberal. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
What prayers should be said if there are Jewish, Buddish, Hindu etc. students in the classroom?
there is no problem coming up with an inclusive prayer.  and God will see whats in their hearts.
I've noticed that nascar prayers sometimes include both Christians and Jews.
if hindus etc. asked to be included, I'm sure they would be.
muslims, on the other hand, would probably threaten to blow up the place if they're not included.
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Re: The rise of aetheism in America.
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2012, 04:38:40 AM »
I hear a lot of fear here. There is but one solution--spread th Good News where ever you go. Don't look for results---the Lord will take care of that.
On a happy note--it is a sign to me that the Lord will be comeing back---I refuse to say soon as I don't know what soon is.
These things MUST come to pass---if you are a believer in Christ, do not be concerned.
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Re: The rise of aetheism in America.
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2012, 04:41:26 AM »
  There you go again, extrapolating upon what I say.. ;)
just speculating...
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  For instance, the verse you posted in red...
  Why did they drop the word "fool" and replace it with 4 separate words?  Did they just want to string it out a bit ?  We are of course, working with translations, and if the translation you prefer doesn't believe the word "fool" is descriptive of the situation, why did you take PM to task for repeating a non-descriptive term ?   If the word is of no consequence, why bother ?
I'm not an expert on that, but it sounds like you might be, and already have the answer... so go ahead and supply it if you've got a point to make. I've retired from the arguing exegesis game, but if you want to get hash out pro/cons of English translations of the NT, start a thread and I'll jump right in.
 
I'll take it you disprove of the NASB's rendition of Matt 5:22. Unless you're a prof translator, fluent in koine Greek and catalogue of early text sources & critical analysis of each, then you're left only with opinion, but feel free to offer it along with another version of Matt 5:22 that you feel... I dunno, better about? One that matches up with your prejudices? Start the thread, I'll join it there. It sounds like you'd like to opine on how the NASB is from what you called the church of what's happening now? Have at it...
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It is unfitting for a Christian to call anyone a fool, and to treat unbelievers as 2nd class citizens.
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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Re: The rise of aetheism in America.
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2012, 04:42:52 AM »
NOW---I must say this.
What I fear and what I hear is the same thing that the Jews tought, INCORRECTLY. God is not concerned about who wins, He is certainly not about creating a world for Christians--to be ruled by Christians---the Jews thought that the Messiah would do that for them and you see what happened.
This world WILL pass away and God is in control---Trust God, He is not worried.
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Re: The rise of aetheism in America.
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2012, 05:02:44 AM »
From Blkhawk;
  " Age ld conflict that will never be settled.  The believers will always believe and use whatever they can to prove their beliefs, etc.  The non-believers will likewise use whatever they can to disprove the others.   Nobody is gonna win because there's no crystal clear way to absolutely prove one is right and the other wrong."
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    He has it very close, we will not likely agree, but there will be much "beating the gums".  Some will be convinced others won't .  Sometimes you get the bear, other times the bear gets you.
  His complaint concerning organized churches has a real basis and those who use the mantle of Christianity to do wrong..will have a reckoning.  ..But consider this;
  I at one time got stung by a counterfeit $20 bill...but I don't turn them down today because there are some counterfeits but there are a lot of genuine ones too.  i just had to lkearn how to tell the difference.
   You find crooks in the financial advisers, auto salesmen, mechanics, plumbers, paving contractors and yes..carrying a Bible too.  Mankind is in a fallen condition.. that is why a believer should follow God...not a man..
    BTW: I do dispute the conclusion on who wins... ;)
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 Conan;
  Thinks belief in God is a human construct; and that is his priviledge. Christians believe that athiests are being deceived by the great deceiver... a stalemate ?   Perhaps, but there are a couple thoughts to ruminate upon.  The "great beyond" is a genuine mystery to many and don't tell me you never wondered. So, let's take a look..
 
  A) Suppose the atheist is correct... and when we die here on earth..that's it; where does that leave the Christian ?  Well, that leaves the Christian with having tried to live an exemplary life and hopefully leaves "happy tracks" in his own name
 
 B) But suppose the Christian is correct; where does that leave the athiest ?
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   Why the rise in lawlessness ?
 
  When man reduces himself to a Darwinian nightmare, much crime can be expected.  The Darwinian man will break all rulkes for his own satisfaction and gratification.  He has no need to curb his appetite, who is to care if he is dishonest ?  He may obey some rules out of fear of retribution by other unbelieving men..but if he feels he can "get away clean"...
   Only practical unbelievers could endorse the crime of abortion.  If they can conveniently consider that little boy or girl forming in the womb as "just a bit of protoplasm"  the crime is easy to dismiss.  They may be stone cold calculating on grounds of convenience or economic purposes ..when they pursue the death path..  Again, Darwin's "survival of the fittest"..baby boys & girls are not good at fighting back..
   We see evidences of this mentality among the divergent groups in the "culture war".  One side employs God's wisdom, the other looks to government wisdom..something in short supply these days.. ;)   ;D
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   At one time the ancient Hebrews fell away from a strong belief in God and the book of Judges (1045 BC) explains it:
   " In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes."  (Judges 17:6)
 
  That's what we have today...too many people doing for "self".. ;  &%#$@*^  all other people...
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: The rise of aetheism in America.
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2012, 05:03:22 AM »
there's two or three here that need some prayers.  even if you say "don't pray for me" I will anyway.  God doesn't want a single "sheep" to stray from the  flock.
 
 Ron Paul!.... a taller version of Hitler.

Well....I'll pray fer ya anyway. :'(
 
 
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Re: The rise of aetheism in America.
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2012, 05:09:32 AM »
IG, that post should give some people pause....... denying the existence of God is serious business, I keep praying for them.
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