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Offline gramsey

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Straight Laminated Stocks and Caliber
« on: April 17, 2012, 01:14:39 PM »
Hello --

I'm new to this forum and if this question has been asked and answered, I apologize.  My wife is interested in taking up deer hunting and maybe turkey as well.  She is new to firearms and I know she is recoil sensitive.  I am thinking of starting her out with a Handi.  Being a women she has some preferences, of course.  She likes the green laminated straight stocks.  Can these stocks still be purchased and if so, where?

Also, thoughts on caliber.  I was thinking about purchasing a new 28 gauge for turkey and small game and sending the receiver in for either a 357 or 44 mag barrel.  Then, of course, install the green laminated stocks.  I know the 28 is light for turkey, but she doesn't like my 20 Pardner and it's much better than a 410.  Any thoughts, I would like her to be successful.  Thanks.

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Re: Straight Laminated Stocks and Caliber
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 01:58:33 PM »
stock fit is very important to percieved recoil. if she is small in stature or has short arms your 20ga may not fit properly and that could be the problem. 28ga may not have enough shot count. i would start with a 20 that fits her. I do recomend getting the 357 barrel! with 38s it just goes pop almost zero recoil! my nine year old will go through 100 rounds really quick. Get her a gun that fits and have fun!

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Re: Straight Laminated Stocks and Caliber
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2012, 02:47:26 PM »
+1 to Cuda
 
My wife hated mine and looked like she was having trouble lifting it up.  I got her a .357 Magnum cut down to 16.25" and put a youth plastic stock on it.  She now holds it very well and can shoot it all day even with the defensive loads I make up for her.  Probably going to get on the list to ream it to Maximum, but holding pattern for now.  My gunsmith buddy is going to put a recessed target crown on it for me and flute the barrel to remove a smidge more weight also.  ;)
 
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Re: Straight Laminated Stocks and Caliber
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2012, 03:17:35 PM »
I have to say go 20G  I have never seen a field load in a 28 . In NY the 20 is the smallest legal  for big game . As far as the 357 it can not be beat.
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Re: Straight Laminated Stocks and Caliber
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 05:02:36 PM »

+1 To Cuda and Tackle.


I like to claim I'm 5'7", so I've been fighting the short problem for over 30 years of hunting and shooting since I was a kid.  Length of pull is a big problem for a short shooter, Tacklebury touched on the other issue: weight.  Weight is an issue, but leverage is the problem.  A short person's arms just aren't long enough to get the leverage to hold the gun properly.  Tacklebury has a good set up pictured, if you go with the laminated have a gunsmith fit her and install a good recoil pad.  The slip on pads increase LOP too much for a short shooter on the range.


Here is my set up, it is an ATI adjustable stock.  I have a 357 reamed to Max and a 44 mag barrel on this frame.  In the FAQ's the stock has bad reviews and I don't disagree with them.  But, if you take the loop side of a heavy duty Velcro strip and place on the rail the stock slips over it is so solid the stock takes a lot of effort to adjust.  The whole rig weights less than 9 pounds with 6 +1 rounds.


Also, google "rifle recoil table" and "shotgun recoil table".  That will take you to Chuck Hawk's site.  You will see a 44 mag is not much different than a 20 gauge in terms of recoil.  The 357 mag is acceptable for deer, as long as you keep it inside it's limited range.  Reaming to Max basically gives you a 30/30, but you have to hand load.  The other thing with the 357 is she can shoot 38's, and the 38's are just fun.  There like a big 50 yard 22 lr.


As for the turkey gun, I cannot imagine going below a 20 for turkey.  Work her up slowly with the lightest loads you can find (with the good recoil pad), and if that doesn't work I would look for a semi-auto.  The semi-auto doesn't actually reduce recoil, but they do smooth it out.  The single shot is a sudden shove, while the semi-auto is more of a push.


Good luck!





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Re: Straight Laminated Stocks and Caliber
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2012, 06:08:03 AM »

 She likes the green laminated straight stocks.  Can these stocks still be purchased and if so, where?


Welcome! They used to be available from H&R, I think they're called squire stocks, the part number is listed on the retail parts page in the FAQs and Help sticky, a good place for any H&R newbie to spend lots of time reading (hint hint!!).   ;)

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Re: Straight Laminated Stocks and Caliber
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2012, 02:20:40 PM »
Tim, whatdyado take yer subtle pills this morning ??? ??? "Hint Hint"......geeze Louise ::) ::)   

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Re: Straight Laminated Stocks and Caliber
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2012, 04:43:50 PM »
Pete----he wouldn't DARE bar you from the forum. Some one has to be his conscious and shrink!!!! ::) ::) ;D