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Southern Poverty Law Center
« on: April 18, 2012, 09:01:05 AM »

Here is an Organization that reeks with Communism. They supposedly keep an eye on Un-American Organizations, when in truth, they should be at the top of the list of Organizations harmful to the Constitution and the Republic.They are quoted often by the media and Washington DC insiders.


Strange! We never hear our elected Republican leaders going after them.

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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 12:09:13 PM »
They are just another black supremist group like NAACP and several others here in the south.


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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 12:30:41 PM »
  Another Marxist/bigot group that should have been disbanded with long ago.
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2012, 12:55:44 PM »
  Another Marxist/bigot group that should have been disbanded with long ago.
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Why do they exist in the first place? For what purpose were they founded?
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2012, 01:04:17 PM »
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Strange! We never hear our elected Republican leaders going after them.

 
 
Why is that strange?  We don't hear the democrats or anyone else (RP?) going after them either.
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2012, 03:04:14 PM »
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Strange! We never hear our elected Republican leaders going after them.

 
 
Why is that strange?  We don't hear the democrats or anyone else (RP?) going after them either.




Why is that strange? UH! You don't think Republican insiders should be appalled by The SPLC?
As a matter of fact RP has gone after the SPLC on occasions, and in some of his letters. I haven't heard him talk about them in the primary, and have never heard the press ask questions of the candidates regarding them.I take it, you don't think the RNC should expose them for the Racist bunch they are?
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Re: Southern Poverty Law Center
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2012, 03:06:52 PM »
They are just another black supremist group like NAACP and several others here in the south.




Yes they are GB, but a bigger threat because they are suppose to be colored blind and a Constitutional watch dog for the Republic.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2012, 05:28:34 PM »
Millard Fuller and Morris Dees, two law students at the University of Alabama in the 1950's started a business, Fuller & Dees, to pay for law school. Not sure what they did but the business was very successful. My sister-in-law was one of them's secretary for a while. They both became very wealthy. I guess at some point they sold the business.


Millard Fuller went on to  become the founder of Habitat for Humanity. They help poor people build and own a home through sweat equity.
http://www.habitat.org/how/historytext.aspx


Morris Dees founded the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery.
It is not a black supremist group. I believe the founders were Jewish. They sued the Klan.
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 06:06:31 PM »
Believe what you wish. I have seen video on the news of dozens of homes built by the habitate for humanity. Every single one was a black family. Maybe that's all they feel is news worthy I dunno but that's the way it is at least here in Bama.

Check what SPLC does and you'll see what they are.


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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 06:23:10 PM »
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Why is that strange? UH! You don't think Republican insiders should be appalled by The SPLC?

 
 
There are lots of groups that one could be appalled at.  What I found strange is why you would single out Republicans for not attacking this group.
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2012, 01:07:54 AM »
Habitat buys up, or has donated, distressed neighborhoods, one was a whole neighborhood that smacked by a tornado in 1995.
Its pretty much black people who want to live there and apply for the program around here.
On the dozen or so houses that I have worked on, the new homeowners were good Christian hard-working folks who spent every moment outside of their jobs working on the house. They won"t know much about framing or other aspects of construction, but they are out there doing the heavy lifting and hauling. And they do it on other houses before they get theirs built.

Don't disagree that SPLC is an extreme bunch, just saying look at their board; about half of them are white. It was started by two white lawyers.

My post was intended to offer context to how the SPLC came about, and also how two friends friends could go in two extremely different directions.
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2012, 03:05:27 AM »
Sometimes I feel like I am living on a completely different planet. I have been a supporter of the SPLC for years and always read their publication. I occasionally will pick some of the reports or stories and research the information from other sources and vast majority of the time they are spot on. I think they provide an invaluable service.
Concerning Habitat for Humanity, great program. Around my area I see more caucasian then other minorities benefitting from the program but that is probably a reflection of our general population. The homes are small, modest and functional. Many here proclaim that we need to help the needy by non-government means and this program is a prime example but I guess that is not good enough.
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2012, 03:22:32 AM »
What planet do you think your on? You agree with everything the SPLC does and stands for! You don't think the SPLC gets government money?
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2012, 03:27:39 AM »
Quote from rickt300:
"You don't think the SPLC gets government money?"


The Southern Poverty Law Center (hereafter, the center) is an organization founded to combat hate, intolerance and discrimination. Located in Montgomery, Alabama, the primary goal of the center is to "fight the effects of poverty with innovative lawsuits and education programs" (Dees & Fiffer 1991). It is a 501(c)(3) organization (i.e., a charitable nonprofit organization) that accepts no government funds to do its work.


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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2012, 03:44:04 AM »
They have a lot of work to do in D.C. then. Maybe they could camp out at the various Black Panther headquarters, Al Sharpton's hous, Louis Farakan's house, Eric Holder's place, Van Jones new gig, SEIU, NAACP, ABC, NBC, CBS, The ACLU etc. and get something done.
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2012, 05:37:11 AM »
Being involved with a Christian charity which actually does what Habitat claims to do; I have a very low opinion of HH... Let's compare;
  The group I work with has NO payroll...that includes all officers as well as the founder.  They do projects for those who "fall through the cracks".. that is, folks who rarely if ever, run around to various agencies looking for handouts but are in difficult straights.  This includes many handicapped, retired handicapped, veterans etc....   How does that campare with HH?  Do HH officers and founder accept wages or "stipend" ?
  My group gets rewferrals from HH.. because HH won't "work outside the city".    Ummmm.. I hate to break their bubble, but not all handicapped, disabled veterans and crippled children live within city limits !  We are also doing jobs right under their noses.. in the city.  They get millions of dollars..my group scratches for funds..but still gets more done anywhere I look than HH does.
 
   
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2012, 06:54:56 AM »
The Southern Poverty Law Center (hereafter, the center) is an organization founded to combat hate, intolerance and discrimination.

Those all sound like worthy goals, one that most any decent citizen could sign onto.
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2012, 06:58:53 AM »
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"Being involved with a Christian charity which actually does what Habitat claims to do; I have a very low opinion of HH... Let's compare;  The group I work with has NO payroll...that includes all officers as well as the founder.  They do projects for those who "fall through the cracks".. that is, folks who rarely if ever, run around to various agencies looking for handouts but are in difficult straights.  This includes many handicapped, retired handicapped, veterans etc....   How does that campare with HH?  Do HH officers and founder accept wages or "stipend" ?
  My group gets rewferrals from HH.. because HH won't "work outside the city".    Ummmm.. I hate to break their bubble, but not all handicapped, disabled veterans and crippled children live within city limits !  We are also doing jobs right under their noses.. in the city.  They get millions of dollars..my group scratches for funds..but still gets more done anywhere I look than HH does."


I am glad to hear of what the organization you work with does. I think that you are being a bit harsh on HH. They still do a very good job and are not supported by taxes. Many of the local chapters have 5% or less use of donations for administrative costs. Not bad. Would it be better for them just to close shop and disappear?
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Re: Southern Poverty Law Center
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2012, 09:46:38 AM »


Would it be better for them just to close shop and disappear?
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That would be nice, but better they never existed.
If you believe in the Second amendment, free speech, and a multitude of other freedoms afforded us by the founding fathers, you could not possibly agree with or be supportive of such an ant-American bunch of scoundrels.


They are a BLIGHT on the country. Even worse than the Black Panthers, NAACP, Skinheads or other hateful groups, because they are given credit by the main stream media. I wouldn't have thought any member of GB outdoors would give them kudo's.Just go's to show you how much I know! :(
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2012, 10:14:04 AM »
My prior statement was referring to Habitat for Humanity not SPLC. NW_Hunter I think that you were confused, if not I did not realize that HH was such an anti American bunch of scoundrels!
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2012, 10:33:54 AM »
  My group of course, doesn't seek nor get a penny of tax money...how about $0 administrative costs..all volunteer !
  Actually 5% of millions of dollars can be a tidy sum !
   Should HH just fold up and fade away ?  I don't know about your area HH, but around here they would not likely even be missed.
  HH operates with volunteers, their own figures show they had over $293,000,000 to work with.  At 5% "administrative" costs, that still leaves a lot of bucks, more than $14,650,000 to put into a few pockets at the top.
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2012, 01:22:05 PM »
My prior statement was referring to Habitat for Humanity not SPLC. NW_Hunter I think that you were confused, if not I did not realize that HH was such an anti American bunch of scoundrels!
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My mistake Guzz! By the way! How did we get on Habitat for Humanity, when the discussion is about the Southern Poverty Law Center? Two totally different Org's.
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2012, 01:49:13 PM »
How did we get on Habitat for Humanity, when the discussion is about the Southern Poverty Law Center? Two totally different Org's.


My bad, NW, just offered a comparison of two college friends who took different paths.
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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2012, 05:14:21 AM »
The Southern Poverty Law Center (hereafter, the center) is an organization founded to combat hate, intolerance and discrimination.

Those all sound like worthy goals, one that most any decent citizen could sign onto.
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If only that's what they're about; and foremost, they are islamophobes extraodanaire.
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What is your thing with "islamaphobes"? What have Muslims done to have us trust them? I can think of more than a few things they have orchestrated that would not endear trust. It is like covering their great advances in science, pick one out for me.
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 The astronomer who is said to have studied the solar system and presented the heliocentric theory for the first time was a Greek, known by the name of Aristarchus of Samos.  He died in 270 BC. However, this theory of the sun being at the centre, and of the earth revolving around it, never gained popularity in those early times.
Then came the age of Ptolemy, who lived in the second century AD. Ptolemy's astronomical system represented the earth as the fixed centre of the universe, with the sun and the moon, and other stars and planets revolving around it.  Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler carried out researches which ultimately proved falsity.  But it was the Muslims, who first transferred to Europe the concept of the earth being round and the almost correct concept of the causes of the ebb and flow of the tides.
This geocentric theory of the universe appeared to be in conformity with the beliefs the Christians had developed after Jesus Christ.  These beliefs were give the final seal of approval at the famous Church Council held at Nicaea, a city in Asia Minor, in AD 325.  After the acceptance of Christianity by Constantine the Great (280-337), the faith spread all over Roman territory.  Now vested with tremendous power, the Christians patronized, in particular, the theory of Ptolemy.  The curtain of darkness fell over the heliocentric theory of Aristarchus. The wrong concept about the revolution of the earth remained predominant for such a long period of time, it was due to the error of regarding something non-sacred as sacred.  The Christians believed that the earth was a sacred sphere, being the birthplace of the son of God (Jesus). Because of this belief, they found the notion that the earth was the centre around which the whole universe revolved exactly in accordance with their religious beliefs.  It was this idea of the earth's sacredness which came in the way of the Christians making any further investigation.
Of geocentricity, the Encyclopaedia Britannica (1984) says:
 
 
"There was no further scope for cosmology in the model, which continued to be taught and used almost everywhere until the 1
7th century." It was not until 1495 that Copernicus arrived at the conclusion that the earth was not the centre of the universe.  After a long period of research devoted to astronomical studies, he was forced to conclude that the planets revolved around the sun.  But, fearing the opposition of the Church, he refrained from publishing his findings until 1543.
The Muslims, however, did not suffer from the error of regarding as sacred that which was non-sacred.  They were in a position to reflect upon matters of scientific interest with open minds, and in a purely academic way.  When they found that the heliocentric theory was more rational, they accepted it without any hesitation.
Edward McNall Burns writers that the heliocentric theory developed by Aristarchus (310-320 BC), although destined to fall into oblivion for four hundred years, has today become an established fact.  This is after many centuries of men's minds being dominated by Ptolemy's geocentric theory.
Of all the subjects developed by the Spanish Muslims, there was none brought to a higher degree of perfection than science.  In fact, in this field, their successes were such as to have no parallel in history. They distinguished themselves in the fields of astronomy, mathematics, physics, chemistry, medicine, etc.  As McNall Burns writes:
 
"Despite their reverence for Aristotle, they did not hesitate to criticize his notion of a universe of concentric spheres with the earth at the centre, and they admitted the possibility that the earth rotates on its axis and revolves around the sun."
The Muslims arriving at the correct hypothesis of the solar system's functioning was made possible only because Islam had broken down the walls of conditioned thinking which had acted as a barrier to man's intellectual progress.  As soon as this artificial barrier was out of the way, the caravan of human thought began to move on its journey with a hitherto unimaginable rapidity.  And thus  it brought us finally to the spectacular scientific feats of the present century.
In 830 AD, Al-Mamun established in Baghdad his famous Bayt al Hikmah, a combination library, academy and translation bureau, and an astronomical observatory.  This work started under the patronage of the stats.  Al-Mamun's astronomers performed one of the most delicate geodetic operation -- the measuring of the length of a a terrestrial degree.  The object was to determine the size of the earth and its circumgerence on the assumption that the earth was round.  The measurement, carried out on the plain of Sinjar, north of the Euphrated, and near Palmyra, yielded 562 Arabic miles as the length of a degree of the meridian -- a remarkably accurate result, exceeding the real length of the degree at that place by about 2877 feet.  This would make the circumference of the earth 20,400 mules and its diameter 6500.  Among those who took part in this operation were the sons of Musa ibn Shakir and al-Khwarizmi, whose tables, revised a century and a half later by the Spanish astronomer Maslamah Maslamah al-Majrity and translated into Latin in 1126 by Adelard of Bath, became the bases for other works both in the East and the West.
In those days, Muslims were so ahead of other nations that when they were driver out of Spain, the astrolabes they left behind, by means of which they had studied heavenly bodies, were turned into the clock tower of a church, as the Christians did not understand their use.
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 Galileo (d. 1442) is generally considered to be the inventor of the telescope.  But the truth is that long before his time, Abu Ishaq ibn Jundub (d.767) had already made observations of the heavens.  He had devised certain rules for observing distant objects and, in accordance with those rules, he had invented a telescopic instrument.  It was this initial telescope which was further developwed by Galieleo, and which ws the actual forerunner of the now highly perfected electric telescope of modern time.
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 Just as diseases have afflicted man in every age, so has the science of medicine always existed in one form or the other In ancient times, however, the science of medicine never reached the heights of progress that it did in the Islamic era and also latterly, in modern times.
It is believed that the beginning of the science of medicine -- a beginning to be reckoned with -- was made in ancient Greece.  The two very great physicians who were born in ancient Greece were Hippocrates and Galen.  Hippocrates lived in the fifth and fourth century BC. However, very little is known about his life.  The historians of later times hae estimated that Hippocrates was probably born in 460 BC and died in 377 BC.  Some historians, on the other hand, even have doubts about his being a historical figure.  It has also been questioned whether the books on philosophy and medicine supposedly writter by someone else and later attributed to him.
Galen is considered the second most important philosopher and physicist of this period of antiquity.  He was born probably in AD 129 and died in AD 199.  Galen had to face stiff opposition in Rome, and most of his writings were destroyed.  The remainder would also have been lost to posterity if the Arabs had not collected them in the ninth century and translated them into Arabic.  These Arabic translations were later to reach Europe, in the eleventh century, where they were translated from Arabic into Latim.
The science of medicine came into being in ancient Greece about 200 years before the Christian era and flourished for another two centuries. In this way, the whole period extended over about four or five hundred years.  This science did not see any subsequent advance in Greece itself.  Although a European country, Greece did not contribute anything to the spread of its own medical science in Europe, or to modern medicine in the West.  These facts are proof that the atmosphere in ancient Greece was not favourable to the progress of medicine.
The Greek medicine which was brought into being by certain individuals (effort was all at the individual level, as the community did not give it general recognition) remained hidden away in obscure books for about one thousand years after its birth.  It was only when these books were translated into Arabic during the Abbasid period (750-1258), and edited by the Arabs with their own original additions, that it became possible for this science to find its way to Europe, thus paving the way for modern medical science.
As the Prophet (pbuh) said, "God has sent the remedy for every disease in the world except death."  This saying of the Prophet (pbuh) was the declaration of the leader of a revolution.  No sooner did he announce to the world this truth about medicine than history began to be shaped by it in many practical ways.
Medicine was probably the first Greek science to attract the Arabs because of its obvious practical importance.  Then they developed it to the extent of establishing medical colleges and hospitals, which did not exist in Greece.  Not merely was it taught in the colleges of Iraq, but the teaching was accompanied by a flourishing medical service.  The first hospital in Baghdad was founded about the year 800 on the initiative of the Caliph Harun al Rashid, and records have been preserved of the founding of four other hospitals there in the first quarter of the tenth century.  A thirteenth century hospital in Cairo is said to have had accommodation for 8,000 persons.  It had separate wards for male and female patients, as well as for different categories of ailment.  The staff included physicians and surgeons, pharmacists, attendants of both sexes and administrative officers, and besides sotr-rooms and a chapel, there were facilities for lecturing and a library. 
The Arabs thus made extraordinary advances in medicine through their research.  The first important physician was Abu Bakr Muhammad ibn Zakariyya al-Razi (d. 923), known in Europe as Rhazes.  He wrote voluminously on many scientific and philosophic subjects, and over fifty of his works are extant.  His greatest work, Al-Havi, was translated into Latin as the Continens, (the comprehensive book).  It was the first encyclopaedia of all medical science up to that time, and had to be completed by his disciples after his death.  For each disease he gave the views of Greek, Syrian, Indian, Persian and Arabic authors, and then added notes on his clinical observations and expressed a final opinion.
The greatest writer on medicine was Ibn Sina or Avicenna.  He was also one of the two greatest Arabic philosophers.  His eminence in medicine was due to his ability to combine extensive theoretical knowledge and systamatic thought with acute clinical observation.  His vast Canon of Medicine (Al-Qanun fi't-Tib) was translated into Latin in the twelfth century and was used much more than the works of Galen and Hippocrates.  It dominated the teaching of medicine in Europe until at least the end of the sixteenth century.  There were sixteen printed editions of it in the fifteenth century, one being in Hebrew, twenty editions in the sixteenth century and several more in the seventeenth.  Roughly contemporary with Ibn Sina was the chief Arabic writer on surgery and surgical instruments, Abul Qasim az-Zohrawi (d. after 1009), usually known in Latin as Abulcasis.
The gift of careful observation did not disappear and certain fourteenth century Arab doctors in Spain wrote knowledgeably, about the plague as they had experienced it in Granada and Almeria.
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 Smallpox is considered one of the most dangerous diseases in the world.  It is a highly contagious disease, characterized by fever and the appearance of small spots leaving scars in the form of pits. The symptoms include chill, headache, and backache.  The spots appear about the fourth day.  This is a fatal diseas.  Even if one survives the attack the skin is scarred permanently.
According to present records, theis disease was identified in Egypt in 1122 BC and is also mentioned in ancient Indian books written in Sanskrit.  In the past this disease gripped many countries in the form of dangerous epidemics.  Thousands of people fell prey to it.  As far back as 1156 BC visible evidence in the pock-marked face of the mummy of the Egyptian Pharaoh, Ramses V, who died in that year.  (His embalmed body was found inside a pyramid).  Even then, it took thousands of years for this dreaded disease to be investigated scientifically.
It was not until the end of the ninth century, subsequent to the emergence of Islam, that this medical fact was unearthed for the first time.  The first name which became prominent in history in this connection was that of the well-known Arab physician, Al-Razi (865-925), who was baorn in Raii in Iran.  In search of a remedy for the disease, he investigated it from the purely medical standpoint and wrote the first book on the subject, called, Al-Judri wa al-Hasba.  This was translated into Latin, the academic language of ancient Europe, in 1565 in Venice.  It was later translated into Greek and other European languages, and thus spread all over Europe.  Its English translation, published in London in 1848, was entitled, A Treatise on Smallpox and Measles.Researchers have accepted that this is the first medical book on smallpox in the whole of recorded history.  Prior to this, no one had ever done research on this topic.
After reading Al-Razi's book, Edward Jenner (1749-1823), the English physician who became the inventor of vaccination, was led to making a clinical investigation of the disease.  He carried on his research over a twenty year period, ultimately establishing the connection between cowpox and smallpox.  In 1796, he carried out his first practical experiment in inoculation.  This was a success, and the practice spread rapidly, in spite of violent opposition from certain quarters, until, in 1877, it was announced by the UN that for the first time in history, smallpox had been eradicated.
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 Abdullah ibn Baytar (d. 1248) was the best known botanist and pharmacist of Spain, in fact, of the Muslim world.  He travelled as a herbalist in Spain and throughout North Africa, and later entered the service of th Ayyubid al-Malik al-Kamil in Cairo as chief herbalist. From Egypt he made extensive trips throughout Syria and Asia Minor.  One of his two celebrated works, Al-Mughni fi al Aswiyah al-Mufradah, is on materia medica.  The other, Al-Jami`fi al-Adwiya al-Mufradah, is a collection of simple remedies from the animal, vegetable and mineral worlds embodying Greek and Arabic data supplemented by the author's own experiments and researches.  It stands out as the foremost medieval treatise of its kind.  Some 1400 items are considered, of which 300, including about 200 plants, were novelties.  The number of authors quoted is about one hundred and fifty, of whom twenty were Greek. Parts of the Latin version of Ibn al Baytar's Simplicia were printed as late as 1758 at Cremona.
In fact, the Muslims started investigating herbal species, and succeeded in enriching Dioscorides' Herbal by 2000 species.
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 After materia medica, astronomy and mathematics, the Arabs made their greatest scientific contribution in chemistry.  This brought chemistry out of the sphere of alchemy and gave it the status of a regular science based on observation.  In the study of chemistry and other physical sciences the Arabs introduced the objective experiment, a decided improvement over the hazy speculations of the Greeks.  It was through them that the world was first introduced to the scientific method.
Jabir ibn Hayyan (d. 817) used findings based theron in his scientific studies, the written accounts of which were transmitted to Europe in translations.  Thinking went on developing along these lines until it formed the basis for experimental science as it is known today.
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 After al-Razi, Jabir ibn Hayyan (721-815) is ranked greatest in the field of medieval chemical science.  He more clearly recognized and stated the importance of experimentation than any other early alchemist, and made noteworthy adavanced in both the theory and practice of chemistry.
Jabir's books were held as the final authority on chemistry in Europe uptill the fifteenth century.  The initial ladder to the modern western chemistry of the eighteenth century was produced by Jabir.  It is believed that Jabir wrote two thousand books on different sciences.  So many scholarly books had never been written before the Muslim eposh by any single writer.
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 History should not focus solely on royal actions and prerogatives throughout the ages, but should be a study of the sum of all activities of all groups of human beings, whatever the framework, political or civilizational, within which they interact.  In the long history of mankind, this approach, developed only during the last few centuries, is relatively new.  History, or historiography, is now equated with "man-story" as opposed to the "King-story" of the pre-modern era.  "King-story", made up of elaborate descriptions of kings, along with copious details of the palaces they occupied and the generals they commanded, had made no mention of the common man, even if his achievements were marked by greatness.  The only man considered worthy of mention was the one whose head was adorned by a crown. Ancient history thus amounted to a belittling of humanity in general.
In old historical records, the most striking omissions are the lives and influence of the great prophets of the world.  Today, people would find it very strange if a history of the freedom struggle of India laid no stress on the role Ghandi, or if a history of the erstwhile USSR omitted Lenin altogether.  But a far strange history is one bereft of all mention of those pious souls, who were the messengers of God.  The sole exception to this rule of omission is the Final Prophet, the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).  The reason for his prominent inclusion in historical records is that, by setting in motion the Islamic revolution, he was able to change exactly those factors -- the undemocratic, polytheistic and superstitious nature of society -- which in the past had been responsible for such astonishing lucanae in the writing of human history.  There can be no doubt that it was the Islamic revolution which made it possible for historiography to proceed on ceientific lines.
In known human history, Ibn Khaldun (1331-1406) is the only historian to have changed the pattern of historiography.  It was he who raised historiography from the level of mere King-story to the level of genuine man-story.  "Kingology" was changed into sociology.  The truth is that the science known today as sociology is the gift of Ibn Khaldun.  He himself claimed that he was the founder of sociology, and there is no reason to dispute his claim.
Khaldun's greatness was acknowledged in a similar vein by Robert Flint: "As a theorist on history he had no equal in any age or countgry until Vico appeared, more than three hundred years later; Plato, Aristotle and Augustine were not his peers."
It was indeed Ibn Khaldun who gave to Europe the modern science of history.  And it was Islam which bestowed this gift upon him.  The Islamic revolution produced Ibn Khaldun and Ibn Khaldun produced the modern science of history.
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"The frame of Ibn-Khaldun rests on his Muqaddama (Introduction to his book on history).  In it he presented for the first time a theory of historical development which takes due cognizance of the physical facts of climate and geography aw well as of the moral and spiritual forces at work.  As one who endeavoured to formulate laws of national progress and decay, Ibn Khaldun may be considered the discoverer -- as he himself claimed -- of the true scope and nature of history, or atleast the real founder of the science of sociology.  No Arab writer, indeed no European, had ever taken a view of history at once so comprehensive and philosophic.  By the consensus of critical opinion Ibn-Khaldun was the greatest historical philosopher Islam produced, and one of the greatest of all time"
In Book I of the Muqaddamah, Ibn Khaldun sketches a general sociology; in Books II and III, a sociology of politics; in Book IV a sociology of urban life; in Book V, a sociology of economiics; and in Book VI, a sociology of knowledge.  The work is studded with brilliant observations on historiography, economics, politics, and education.  It is held together by his central concept of asabiyah, or social cohesion.  Thus he laid the foundation of a science of history which is not based on the descriptions of kings, but which is, in a vaster sense, based on the economics, politics, education, religion, ethics, and culture of the whole nations.
Historians have generally acknowledged that the science of history remained undeveloped before the emergence of Ibn Khaldun, and that he was the first person to develop a philosophy of history.  The Encyclopaedia Britannica even goes so far as to say that "he developed one of the world's most significant philosophies of history."

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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2012, 06:21:00 AM »
Nice work! Seems like not much lately. Pick the whats to like column and fill us in.
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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2012, 07:10:32 AM »
You're absolutely correct, rickt300.  The muslims probably were advanced in the 13th century.  But, as others have noted, their scientific progression never advanced beyond that time.  They are still living in the 13th century today.
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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2012, 08:33:38 AM »
Well, most liberal good intention programs always get taken over by far left wingers.  This center has to have other agendas now to justify their existance since blacks have got a lot of benefits since the 60's like affirmative action, integration, etc.  Just like any Federal government program, they never cease to exist even if they are no longer needed. 
 
Even if all cars could fly and roads were no longer needed, they would still have the tax on fuel.  Farm subsities were established in the 1930's to keep prices high enough for farmers to stay in business due to the depression.  With so many in the world to feed, why have them now?  Why pay farmers NOT to grow things?  Let them grow as much as they want.  Prop up the price by buying the excess and store it for bad times. 

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« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2012, 11:15:49 PM »
 I have gotten the SPLC magazine for years. Just doing my part. It has to cost them something to print and ship them. I did have 16 subscriptions going for several years, but they eventually caught it. They cut me to 1 subscription about 4 or 5 years ago.
 Why not try it out? See how they distort border watch groups, tea party rallies, twist the words of conservative politicians into racism and blow up poorly educated, young skin heads into the most dangerous menaces to society in existence. Their one sided slant on reporting is very comical. It would seem they hate the racists more than the racists hate them. I do have to give them some credit though, there was actually a black person(that wasn't a victim) in one of their magazines a few years ago. He was an unheard of muslim leader in CA though, so it just ties into their hatred just like the nonstop articles on the skinheads. I got tired of reading their magazine quite a while ago, not very political and not really into hatred either. But on a positive note the glossy paper does very well at starting my corn heater off. I imagine you wood burners could get some use out of them as well.  :D


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« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2012, 01:12:34 AM »
  Uh..huh..   I checked with the SPLC website..  They spend much time complaining about others being "intolerant.  It sure looks to me like they are major purveyors of intolerance.  http://www.splcenter.org/
 
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