Author Topic: Romney or Revolution (Read 1787 times)

Dixie Dude · « **on:** April 19, 2012, 02:56:09 AM »

Based on what some on here think and are not voting for Romney. Here is my take.

Romney is a politician. He panders to those who squeal the loudest. He is a Republican because he does have some core values and fiscal responsibility. He is a fiscal conservative, so he can definately get the federal budget back down. He pandered to the Mass crowd to get elected, but got their fiscal house in order. Remember Mass is a very liberal state. He knows what the majority want in America, so he panders to what the majority wants. He will listen to the majority.

Obama on the other hand doesn't care what the majority wants, he continues to press his socialist idealogy no mater what the cost.

Many here want to bring on a real revolution with fighting and guns that Obama might bring about if he is reelected.

In order to win a revolution, you must have at least 25% of people wanting it. During the American revolution, 25% wanted it, 25% were loyalists, and 50% didn't care one way or the other. It was through fighting, perserverance and pressure, that the 50% finally joined in. Many loyalists moved to Canada after the war.

Right now, there is only 5-10% Paul supporters who vote nationwide. America IS NOT READY for the second revolution. 90% are still sheeple. So, at least for now, Romney will head off a dictatorship of Obama. If Obama is re-elected, no telling what might happen. He is already ignoring what the courts want. The courts ruled that he couldn't stop drilling in the Gulf once the BP oil spill was sealed and cleaned up. He has. He has also stopped the Keystone pipeline. He will not allow oil companies to drill on their already leased land. He is using the EPA to force the global warming crap. I work in the natural gas industry. He is planning to shut down fracking in his second term. He wants oil and gas to go up so people will buy the solar and wind stuff, and drive electric cars. He has asked China to allow their currency to rise in value, which makes ours drop, to create a "little" inflation so we can begin to pay back some debt with inflated dollars. He absolutely wants America to fail, so he can bring in all his socialists "solutions".

Do you guys really want this now? America will probably not fight a second revolution, except in some local areas. Most will conform. I say, lets get Romney for now. Then get very active in local and regional politics to get Libertarians and Constitutionalists elected, even if they are in the Republican party. At least Romney's major goal and work will be cutting the government spending, and pushing for flatter taxes. I don't see him pushing any type of gun control. Neither do I see him pushing abortion.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #1 on:** April 19, 2012, 03:23:55 AM »

Dixie Dude, you're saying exactly what I have said. Michelle Backmann said the same on the news two days ago. we need to come together and work for real solutions. it won't happen in my district, but where there is a majority of conservatives they should get off their butts and work as hard as the liberals do.
look at the OWS movement, they are misguided, but they are busy working.
all we are doing is pointing fingers and some are saying they won't vote.
local races all over this country could make a big difference if we would stop calling names and get behind conservative candidates with our time and money.

but if obama is reelected, it could lead to revloution.
I'd probably be killed in the first skirmish, but I'll share what guns and ammo I have.

rickt300 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 19, 2012, 03:31:55 AM »

What do you think would trigger it? Letting the U.N. into the country? The Black Panther's going wild? The economy folding? Unions? I definitly believe there are at least 25% of us out there absolutely disgusted with Obama but I would like to see the system work it out without a civil war.

magooch · « **Reply #3 on:** April 19, 2012, 03:47:42 AM »

I actually think there will be a bit of a revolution if the obamanation is not reelected. It will be the black libs who will go nuts and burn their neighborhoods down and shoot each other and the cops and firemen.

On second thought, that would probably happen even if Obwana gets reelected.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #4 on:** April 19, 2012, 04:12:03 AM »

and if zimmerman were to be acquitted on 11-7-12

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #5 on:** April 19, 2012, 06:41:00 AM »

I'm not too worried about the blacks. About half in my area go to chruch and are passive. The other half, well. If that does happen, there will be far more whites for them to be up against. IF THE ECONOMY FAILS or the Federal government goes bankrupt, which it will in 3-5 years at the rate we are going. Then there will be massive unemployment, no food stamps, no welfare, no Medicare and Medicaid, No Social Security checks. Then when people are hungry, there are some who will steal or kill for food. Can you say martial law, confiscation of food and guns, etc, etc. Romney I think will ward this off a little longer. In Saul Alenski's list of items. One is to create a crisis so the socialists can step in with a "solution". Right out of the communists playbook. With national health care causing massive excessive spending, class warfare crap, etc, they are setting us up for a dictatorship of the proletariant to bring about the "solution". We either will have another revolution in 2-3 years or we can ward off the bloodshed by voting Romney. Blacks have rioted in inner cities before, they might again, but they are a minority of the minority that can be contained. When they come to take your stuff, it might be too late.

Our senator Jeff Sessions was on TV last night with Greta. He said he and some democrats on the budget committee were working out a plan. He said the dems got tremendous pressure from the Obama administration to NOT work out a plan so they could blame Republicans in the fall election. There hs been NO BUDGET submitted since Obama has been in office, just continueing resolutions.

teddy12b · « **Reply #6 on:** April 19, 2012, 09:17:01 AM »

I'm not completely sure I understand what you're getting at, but I'll try. Are you saying that if we don't support Romney that we're going to have a revolution one way or the other regarding Obama's re-election? I don't think we're going to have some nasty civil war or bloody revolution in this country, but small scale riots/mobs are a certainty. Look at what happens after big tournament games, it seems that whoever's sides looses has a riot and burns a few cars. Anymore sometimes people are doing this for a celebration even if their cities team wins.

People have to wrap their minds around the idea that next Nov is about more than just the presidency. We need to get actual fiscal conservatives into office and in high enough numbers that they can make a president a lame duck. As much as this may offend many republicans ego/pride we have to be honest with ourselves and realize that the country got to where it is today by both "R's" and "D's" compromising together and spending more and more money.

Personally, I don't see much difference between Romney and Obama. Where one follows the constitution the other doesn't and vice versa. Vote for whoever you feel would do the best for our country in your heart. For me, if I have to crawl to the gates of hell and chizzle Ron Paul's name to write it on a ballot I will. This GOP race isn't anywhere close to being over and the way the establishment has treated RP gives me every insentive to leave the "R" party as soon as I get a chance to vote against Dick Lugar in the primary and for RP in Nov.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #7 on:** April 19, 2012, 10:48:16 AM »

Many Ron Paul supporters welcome a second revolution if Obama is reelected. But we can't have a revolution unless we get at least 25% of Americans behind it. I'm saying there is not enough Americans willing to fight to restore our freedoms. However, if we vote for Romney, we can ward off some of the problems that would lead to a revolution.

I am concerned that Obama will enact more gun control via EPA, such as banning lead bullets. He can write an executive order to ban magazine size, etc, without actually taking away First Amendment rights. Many things the could do without banning guns. He could overregulate transportation of ammo and power (hazmat regulations).

He is already strangling the oil and gas industry with EPA rules and regulations.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #8 on:** April 19, 2012, 12:41:16 PM »

Quote from: rickt300 on April 19, 2012, 03:31:55 AM

What do you think would trigger it? Letting the U.N. into the country? The Black Panther's going wild? The economy folding? Unions? I definitly believe there are at least 25% of us out there absolutely disgusted with Obama but I would like to see the system work it out without a civil war.

I think Obama suspending the constitution, or ignoring a Supreme court desicion would do it. We have three Equal branches of governemnt for a reason, so that no power is concentrated on one hand. I think there are enough people and yes the 25% that would stand up and organize if Obama over steps his power and suspends either of the other two branches.

teddy12b · « **Reply #9 on:** April 19, 2012, 03:13:13 PM »

Quote from: Dixie Dude on April 19, 2012, 10:48:16 AM

Many Ron Paul supporters welcome a second revolution if Obama is reelected. But we can't have a revolution unless we get at least 25% of Americans behind it.

I'm assuming that you're referring to Ron Paul supporters as seeking a PEACEFUL revolution and restoration of personal liberties, not some bloddy event. I don't think you're find more than a handful of RP supporters who would want a violent revolution and the ones who did wouldn't be following what RP has been talking about for his lifes career.

mechanic · « **Reply #10 on:** April 19, 2012, 04:38:37 PM »

In a civil war, it will be my children getting killed. I will avoid that as long as I can. I hope others will as well. I pray we can restore America the right way, without bloodshed. I agree with the man who predicted a collapse however, and I believe it will happen no matter who is president. We would have to cut the federal budget by 75 - 80% to avoid collapse, immediately and for several years. That would eliminate SS, medicare, medicaid....most of everything. And would cause serious civil unrest. If nothing is done, the collapse will end those things anyway.

We are spending many times our income, and there is not enough taxable income to even make a dent in it.

Ben

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 19, 2012, 05:31:39 PM »

if obama is reelected, it could lead to revloution.
I'd probably be killed in the first skirmish, but I'll share what guns and ammo I have.

As I am sure so will I. However, take up my rifle, ammunition, and the bayonet, my brethren. Freedom only comes with the pricetag of blood and steel.

Ave Caesar Nos morituri te salutant.

ST762

BUGEYE · « **Reply #12 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:13:03 AM »

Revolution could be avoided if all conservatives would work as hard as the liberals do.

we are too lazy to work and we want to eat our apple in one bite.

and our egos are too big to accept someone elses candidate. we are our own worst enemy.
we also forget that the members at GBO are not the only people voting.
if we isolate ourselves and only talk about isolation issues, we are doomed

teddy12b · « **Reply #13 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:34:19 AM »

I think what we're seeing politically in this country is an emergence of a third party. You have the "D's" who are what they are, but then you have a splintered "R" party with two types of people. The first type is the blind sheep who will vote for an "R" just because they have their whole life and they don't mind big government and spending we can't afford so long as it's got an "R" by the spenders name. These people aren't any better or worse than the "D" party, just different priorities. The second type of people in the "R" party are those who have woken up here lately either through the TEA Party or some other similar movement. These people have recently found out that their belief system is more in line with Libertarians than anything else, and while they were either independents or "R's" in the past they are struggling to find their new identity.

I find myself in that second phase of the "R" party where I've discovered that I've been supporting the "R" party all these years with the misunderstanding that they were for smaller government, anti-war, and fiscal responsibility. My eyes have been opened through reading books and following news sources on both sides to try and get a balanced view. I find it incredibly insulting when I hear so many people think that those of us who don't really associate themselves with the "R" party anymore need to back Romney now that the establishment would have you believe he's got it all wrapped up. Once you've had your eyes opened and you look back at the "R" & "D" parties it's really hard to distinguish much difference between them. The people crying to vote for Romney and "support the team" types really haven't taken on honest look at the man and his records. I believe in my heart that a vote for Romney would be equally as immoral and sinful as a vote for Obama. You all are free men and women who can vote as you see fit, but I'll be damned if I'm going to vote for Romney.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #14 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:35:14 AM »

Quote from BUGEYE:
"we are too lazy to work and we want to eat our apple in one bite. and our egos are too big to accept someone elses candidate. we are our own worst enemy.we also forget that the members at GBO are not the only people voting.
if we isolate ourselves and only talk about isolation issues, we are doomed "

Dang BUGEYE you are showing that you are doing some thinking, good statement!
GuzziJohn

BUGEYE · « **Reply #15 on:** April 20, 2012, 03:45:40 AM »

teddy12b, calling republicans blind sheep is what I've been talking about. third party people have the attitude that if it's not their way, it's wrong.

apparently we're going to hand the election to obama without a fight.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #16 on:** April 20, 2012, 04:06:55 AM »

It would seem either the budget gets fixed and doing so will end alot of wealfare for the free loades causing them to mass togather and roit etc. Or the budget will not get fixed and plunge all Americans into depression. Either way it won't be pretty. So who do you want to be the captian of the sinking ship ? Lets look around , you notice at enomic times like we are in have been used to change a free country into a communist country. Most of these countries failed as communist and are returning to the free market. Most people still suffered under commie rule more so than America did in depression. Our way of govt allows for us to change leadership when we vote communism does not .

blind ear · « **Reply #17 on:** April 20, 2012, 04:08:52 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on April 20, 2012, 03:45:40 AM

teddy12b, calling republicans blind sheep is what I've been talking about. third party people have the attitude that if it's not their way, it's wrong.

apparently we're going to hand the election to obama without a fight.

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Third party people have the attitude that the short term and long term result of electing Romney is no different than electing Obama. ear

BUGEYE · « **Reply #18 on:** April 20, 2012, 04:19:43 AM »

Quote from: blind ear on April 20, 2012, 04:08:52 AM

Quote from: BUGEYE on April 20, 2012, 03:45:40 AM
teddy12b, calling republicans blind sheep is what I've been talking about. third party people have the attitude that if it's not their way, it's wrong.

apparently we're going to hand the election to obama without a fight.
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Third party people have the attitude that the short term and long term result of electing Romney is no different than electing Obama. ear

I know. but RP couldn't beat obama in a debate. and if RP got elected, their are millions of people who will vote the other way for congress for "balance" which is stupid. so if RP was president, they would "figuratively" castrate him. he's too much of a danger to democrats.

jimster · « **Reply #19 on:** April 20, 2012, 04:28:31 AM »

I believe there is a such thing as blind sheep in both major parties, people who have voted either dem or rep because they always have, their parents did, and the grandparents did. They are really blind, I have been there myself, but like Teddy12b I have opened my eyes a bit.

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third party people have the attitude that if it's not their way, it's wrong.

Are not all the parties this way? So my question is what are the people with no party and that have no place to go? Do we have to join a party?
I was thinking that any party would need to attract people to them by somehow representing their views. It seems now the rep party is trying to attract people with the idea that Obama has to go no matter what, and no matter who "our guy is"....this seems rather weak to me. The rep party could do better. They gave us McSame last time, now Romney. Their goal seems to be to attract people who are not so conservative or constitutionally minded, they want numbers, they want the power, but they think they don't need real conservatives because maybe they think there are not very many of them. They are wrong, I believe there are many conservatives, and I think they have lost elections because they are misjudging how many there are, and because they are afraid to say what really needs to be said out loud. They would rather not rock the boat too much and seem "right wing"...maybe that's it. It's a shame that people with no party and conservative are put into a position of "if you don't vote for socialist "B" you'll keep socialist "A"...this will hurt you more. What kind of message is that? It makes People think that it's already over...already too late. If that ain't bad enough...they also get blamed for the "A" socialist who is in power and stays in power. Conservatives are now told everything is their fault either way.

Helluva message to send conservatives. We are getting beat up pretty bad out here.

blind ear · « **Reply #20 on:** April 20, 2012, 04:28:33 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on April 20, 2012, 04:19:43 AM

Quote from: blind ear on April 20, 2012, 04:08:52 AM
Quote from: BUGEYE on April 20, 2012, 03:45:40 AM
teddy12b, calling republicans blind sheep is what I've been talking about. third party people have the attitude that if it's not their way, it's wrong.

apparently we're going to hand the election to obama without a fight.
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Third party people have the attitude that the short term and long term result of electing Romney is no different than electing Obama. ear
I know. but RP couldn't beat obama in a debate. and if RP got elected, their are millions of people who will vote the other way for congress for "balance" which is stupid. so if RP was president, they would "figuratively" castrate him. he's too much of a danger to democrats.

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That is an example of where common sence has left the process, which is standard for two party politics, and a dirrect example of how we got to where we are today. ear

BUGEYE · « **Reply #21 on:** April 20, 2012, 04:41:28 AM »

well. I guess Michelle Bachmann had it right the other day.

Goodby America.

blind ear · « **Reply #22 on:** April 20, 2012, 04:50:20 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on April 20, 2012, 04:41:28 AM

well. I guess Michelle Bachmann had it right the other day.

Goodby America.

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If we keep eating our young it is what we deserve. ear

sc1911cwp · « **Reply #23 on:** April 20, 2012, 01:55:28 PM »

It's the blame game!!!

nw_hunter · « **Reply #24 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:51:52 PM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on April 20, 2012, 04:19:43 AM

Quote from: blind ear on April 20, 2012, 04:08:52 AM
Quote from: BUGEYE on April 20, 2012, 03:45:40 AM
teddy12b, calling republicans blind sheep is what I've been talking about. third party people have the attitude that if it's not their way, it's wrong.

apparently we're going to hand the election to obama without a fight.
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Third party people have the attitude that the short term and long term result of electing Romney is no different than electing Obama. ear
I know. but RP couldn't beat obama in a debate. and if RP got elected, their are millions of people who will vote the other way for congress for "balance" which is stupid. so if RP was president, they would "figuratively" castrate him. he's too much of a danger to democrats.

What makes one think he would have a prob. with Obama?

He is a danger to BOTH the Republican and Democrat establishment.
As far as debating Obama............He didn't have any problem beating the other Republican candidates in the Primary debates, He just had a problem getting those ideas across to the hard headed voters, that would rather have a Hollywood looking guy or gal as president.Some of us can see beyond that, and unfortunately.....some cannot!(This is just my opinion)

I think some will agree, We cannot go on like this for much longer, and the Republic will fall!When it comes, there will be either a Republican or Democrat President in office, and each party will blame the other for the downfall, and BOTH will be correct. I think there will be a revolution of sorts,More like a coup! but not like the one for our independence.I think we will be without a central government for a while and the states will have to step up.

It will be up to our kids to straighten out the mess we left them.

blind ear · « **Reply #25 on:** April 21, 2012, 05:06:22 AM »

The banks of the world are working toward the New World Order, to put a lable on it. Thier goal is to control the destiny of mankind and the planet. The problem is that they arn't concerned with the life of mankind or the planet, the banks are only concerned with the power that they yeild. This is gust the logical progression of the mechanism, power. Both parties are bowing to this goal. Makes no difference which prefered candidate is chosen, the path is the same.
By the time that our children inherit this mess they might not have the means to defeat the power of the tools of the political/banking machine.
Future wars may be waged by corporate/banks rather than governments. The military doesn't manufacture drones or satelites or munitions, corporations do. The same coorporations that are directing the bailouts and influenceing the public with the media they control. The military is in charge of training the operators. With an unmanned war machine it takes few operators and they can be trained by the coorporations.
Anything that you can imagine can happen no matter how horrible it is, just look at history.ear

scotsman · « **Reply #26 on:** April 21, 2012, 09:25:38 AM »

Quote from: blind ear on April 21, 2012, 05:06:22 AM

The banks of the world are working toward the New World Order, to put a lable on it. Thier goal is to control the destiny of mankind and the planet. The problem is that they arn't concerned with the life of mankind or the planet, the banks are only concerned with the power that they yeild. This is gust the logical progression of the mechanism, power. Both parties are bowing to this goal. Makes no difference which prefered candidate is chosen, the path is the same.
By the time that our children inherit this mess they might not have the means to defeat the power of the tools of the political/banking machine.
Future wars may be waged by corporate/banks rather than governments. The military doesn't manufacture drones or satelites or munitions, corporations do. The same coorporations that are directing the bailouts and influenceing the public with the media they control. The military is in charge of training the operators. With an unmanned war machine it takes few operators and they can be trained by the coorporations.
Anything that you can imagine can happen no matter how horrible it is, just look at history.ear

You hit the nail square on the head EAR. Except I would say it has already happened, corps and banks already have that power. I fear for future generations of America and the rest of the world.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #27 on:** April 21, 2012, 09:34:22 AM »

Jimster,

Too many "republican neocons" have been eating out of the same trough the libs eat from. They are terrified of the idea of true freedom or having to live under the constitution as the founders intended.

teddy12b · « **Reply #28 on:** April 21, 2012, 08:39:54 PM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on April 20, 2012, 03:45:40 AM

third party people have the attitude that if it's not their way, it's wrong.

The "R" & "D" party also have this attitude that if a vote is not cast towards their candidate that it's also wrong. I have no problem calling Romney voters sheep because I think it's a bunch of cowardly BS to sit and say that you don't support the Obama bailouts, but you'll vote for Romney who supported Tarp. I guess you think all big govenment spending is ok so long as there is an "R" by it instead of a "D". That's ok though, keep moving along with your herd and turning a blind eye when a candidate of your party makes a major offense against any sound economics. I just think that people like that are a pathetic joke, and I don't know anyone here well enough in the real world to point fingers, but to have people sit there and talk down to those who support Ron Paul is something that I'm just not willing to put up with. This election will be a big one as they always and I will vote for who I think will do the country the best job. I hope you vote the same way.

Junior1942 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 22, 2012, 02:32:51 AM »

Y'all's revolution will accomplish two things: (1) lots of guys dead or in federal prisons; and (2) the end of the 2nd Amendment.