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They gotta sue 'cuz they can't make it on their own......
« on: April 19, 2012, 01:33:05 PM »
Jacksonville faces Justice Department lawsuit over firefighter discrimination

Jacksonville could be sued by the U.S. Justice Department as early as Friday over a government finding that firefighter promotion tests discriminated against African Americans from 2004 to last year.
The agency's Civil Rights Division wrote last month it concluded the city "had engaged in a pattern or practice of employment discrimination," and said the division had authorized attorneys to go to court.
"The United States will file its complaint no later than April 20," read the letter by Delora Kennebrew, chief of the employment litigation section.
Federal lawyers concluded that promotions tests for four ranks - engineer, lieutenant, captain and district chief in the department's fire suppression division - had unfairly hindered black firefighters' advancement.
To make up for that, the Justice Department wants the city to change its promotion practices and provide "make-whole relief," which would include job offers, back pay with interest and changes in seniority for firefighters harmed by tests that were discriminatory, according to the letter.
The International Association of Firefighters will also be named in the suit, Kennebrew wrote, because it negotiates with the city over terms of promotion tests. Union President Randy Wyse did not return a message left Thursday afternoon seeking coment.
Kennebrew wrote the city that questions in written tests were "not sufficiently job-related for the positions in question" and resulted in disparate effects upon African Americans being tested.
City General Counsel Cindy Laquidara would not acknowledge receipt of the letter, and said a letter like that legally should not be in circulation.
But she said the city is undergoing a set of reviews and analyses that would be normal procedure in cases where a federal discrimination finding had been made.
She said she didn't expect the matter to be resolved by the April 20 deadline.
"It takes more than 30 days on a slip and fall case, never mind a case of this specificity," Laquidara said.
She said the city would normally react to a discrimination finding by seeking an expert statistical review of test results, then analyzing how the findings would fit within current law. City lawyers would talk with Justice officials next, Laquidara said, and if needed, talk to local elected officials about their openness to policy changes and financial settlements.
The Justice Department formally opened its investigation in December 2009, saying at the time it was also checking for discrimination against Hispanic and female firefighters. The letter last month offered no findings about those two groups.
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Re: They gotta sue 'cuz they can't make it on their own......
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2012, 01:38:14 PM »
more dumbing down.
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Re: They gotta sue 'cuz they can't make it on their own......
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2012, 04:06:13 PM »
You're just one of those haters, aren't you?  ;)


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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2012, 04:39:44 PM »
The only thing I hate is that they gotta sue cuz the can't make it on their own.   They have to get the Feds to come in and tell us we have to give minorities a different test than the white men take, and lower evaluation standards on the newer test.   

I don't want any dummies or idiots as cops or firemen.  Idiots get people killed.    Why do you think the military does extensive testing before the accept people?

Aside from that, I ain't no hater.  I just place an extremely high value on my arse.

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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2012, 04:44:52 PM »
I can't think of a single comment which wouldn't get me banned.

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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2012, 05:41:42 PM »
Can someone explain to me how a written or physical test for any job is discriminatory against blacks or any minority for that matter as compared to whites?

Either yew iz or u ain't got what it takes. If all take the same test how can it be unfair?


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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2012, 11:24:41 PM »
There was a public radio story about the tests earlier this week. The way i interpreted it was that there is pressure to get more minority people employed, which apparently includes petite women and some people from asia that are typically of short and slight build, and blacks.


This has set up an affirmative action mentality where the system encourages people to contest the criteria.


The difference is that affirmative action does disservice to the individual because it taints employer perceptions because they wonder if a minority person got an unfair advantage. With firefighters, the public is done a disservice if inferior candidates are given employment.


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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2012, 01:34:34 AM »
welcome to big city public safety departmemts where there are more than a few folks employed who couldn't even pass the entrance exam. why were they hired? to make quota. rest easy knowing your life may depend on someone who couldnt pass a civil service test. social engineering is good for everyone!

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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2012, 05:54:29 AM »
Can someone explain to me how a written or physical test for any job is discriminatory against blacks or any minority for that matter as compared to whites?

Either yew iz or u ain't got what it takes. If all take the same test how can it be unfair?

GB, you are entirely correct, sir.    It is mostly the blacks, here in jacksonville, that are behind the suit.    I guess because the test is written in English, not ebonics.   Who knows?

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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2012, 06:54:09 AM »
Swamp:
 
That's funny, but I think there's more than a grain of truth to it.
 
Bill Cosby has been one to address this issue where to advance one simply must know the language, and he gives several poignant examples of how failing to do so causes long-lasting problems in the black community. Sadly, he has been criticized for this stance, but I believe he is both correct and courageous. Smart man.