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Amish Beard-Cutting Attacks: 16 Defendants Due In Court

CLEVELAND — Sixteen men and women pleaded not guilty Thursday in beard- and hair-cutting attacks against fellow Amish in Ohio.
The 10 men and six women and their attorneys overflowed defense tables and the jury box as they entered the pleas before U.S. District Court Judge Dan Polster in response to an updated indictment.
The latest indictment added new allegations that the suspects tried to hide or destroy evidence, including a disposable camera, shears and a bag of hair from the victims.
Members of the Amish community who were in court left through a rear enclosed walkway without speaking.
The judge said he would keep the schedule set after the first indictment – a July 30 deadline for any plea change and Aug. 27 trial.
Joseph Dubyak, attorney for Linda Schrock, daughter of alleged ringleader Samuel Mullet Sr., said the related extended families are helping each other during the busy planting season with seven defendants still held on bond.
"I talked to my client and she's got her other members of her family and her children planting the crops in the field," he said outside court.
"They planted the oats and they are getting the corn ready. They are all pitching in, they are all working together. They have somebody conducting their religious services."
A feud over church discipline allegedly led to attacks in which the beards and hair of men and hair of women were cut, an act considered deeply offensive in Amish culture. The Amish believe the Bible instructs women to let their hair grow long and men to grow beards and stop shaving once they marry.
 The updated indictment also charges Mullet with lying to federal agents during their investigation by denying knowledge of an October assault.
The new defendants, Lovina Miller, Kathryn Miller, Emma Miller and Elizabeth Miller, are members of the Amish community in Bergholz in eastern Ohio near Steubenville and are married to some of Mullet's nephews, according to the updated indictment filed in late March.
The 10-count indictment includes charges of conspiracy, assault and evidence tampering in what prosecutors said were hate crimes motivated by religious differences.
The new charges also allege defendants used a disposable camera bought at Walmart to take pictures of the victims, then hid the camera from authorities until eventually turning it over on March 16.
Several members of the group living in Bergholz carried out the attacks in September, October and November by forcibly cutting the beards and hair of Amish men and women and then taking photos to shame them, authorities have said.
Mullet told The Associated Press in October that he didn't order the hair-cutting but didn't stop his sons and others from carrying it out. He said the goal was to send a message to other Amish that they should be ashamed of themselves for the way they were treating Mullet and his community.
Ohio has an estimated Amish population of just under 61,000 – second only to Pennsylvania – with most living in rural counties south and east of Cleveland.




Mods......I am only trying to be fair to those who decry that only Muslim faith-based attacks get postings.   



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Well I'm shocked.  next we'll be hearing about Amish suicide bombers, and old Amish preachers marrying 5 year old girls, and capturing baptists and cutting their heads off, and driving their buggies into high-rise buildings.  maybe.....
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BUGEYE, we must be fair and balanced to the ones who hate the love and peace cult attacks thread.  I guess this makes me the GBO version of FOX News.....they oughta love that!! ;D ;D

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Show your appreciation for Islam....eat more bacon.

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BUGEYE, we must be fair and balanced to the ones who hate the love and peace cult attacks thread.  I guess this makes me the GBO version of FOX News.....they oughta love that!! ;D ;D

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SWAMPTHING. I for one, appreciate you're fair and balanced rerporting. I think we've all know for many years  how sneaky and violent those ol Amish are. No doubt the muslim supporters and lovers here will appreciate your fair and open mindedness regarding these vicious violent people, ya just never know what they'll do next, or where they will attack. I hear that the real bad ones allow their horses to poop anywhere they want to, disgusting. We must be vigilant and watch our backs, we'll have to fight these evil people some day. Thanks again Sir for the warning. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
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I guess its a nice diversion from drilling down on judaeo-Christian Terrorist Anders Brievik, which should be under the microscope at this point....to see what makes him tick.....
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What makes him tick? Who gives a rats patootie. He's crazy m'kay? Lock him up or whack him. Giving this guy the time to try and explain his brand of crazy? Why? You figure to catch the next whack job JIT?


We been studying whack jobs forever, they simply morph into a new order of whack job. I'll add this too, as we discover new whack jobs the old whack job becomes less strange, so much so that we unwittingly accept them as the new normal.


He killed seventy, eighty people, hmm what shall we do? Hmm, bus full of eye witnesses, he proudly confesses, remorseful only in that he was stopped too soon. I know, we shall find him guilty of murder, and execute him.  Furthermore since he is crazy we shall then lock his remains in a mental institute and study them, until such time as the hand wringers can no longer stand the stench.


This shall apply to Christians, Muslims, Jews, Catholics (never quite sure whether to include them with the Christians) Atheists, Agnostics, Later Day Saints (see Catholic?), Alcoholics, Diabetics, Chronic Masturbators, Vegans,  and in an effort not to offend anyone living or dead Hittites, Hittites shall not be immune to prosecution for murder while under the influence of crazy. Oh to be the king.
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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thanx EQ, you made my day with that one!
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  Yes..  watch out for those corn shock roadside bombs...and pork chops run through a manure spreader on a path around the mosque !!  ;)   ;D
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  Now that Brevik who we hear so much about..claims are, he is a Christian. Judging by his fruit..I doubt it!
  No matter though, even if he were...and we accepted the violence claims among the Amish as terrorism strikes.
   http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
   
   That would still leave us with (today) a terrror strike score of ;
 
   Muslims= 18,786*
   Christians-  2
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        only   18, 784    difference
 
       * Stay posted, may well change by the end of the day.
 
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I am the point where I am just starting to ignore most of the racist racial and religious bigotry comments that get posted.
Whatever happened to the ignore button we use to be able to activate on this board anyhow.
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I am the point where I am just starting to ignore most of the racist comments that get posted.
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   Racism ?  Which parts of what EQ said are "racist comments"...please point them out !
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EQ...I had a post removed in response to your post for some reason.. ::) ...and no personal attack in it
..The Breivik case is a key case in understanding islamic and western clashes....which is a contrived and engineered struggle...The right so-called conservatives define themselves using a few main beliefs:
a..... anybody not agreeing with them is a libber,,,all libbers are commies and immoral
b.....media is libber dominated
c......the US is in a doomsday spiral due to socialists
d.....hatred of governmnet, except when it comes to perpetual wars
e......religious rivalry and islamo-xenophobia world clash
 
There's more but this is pretty much the operative rationale for how the self-style conservatives view the world and define themselves thru their enemies from their end of the Dialectic.  E..religious rivalary, is very key after acceptance of their defining 911 event....as a denominator.
So, Breivik is an example of this self styled rightism gone berserk...the 'right' wants this whole thing down the memory hole as soon as possible as Brievik embues all their Characteristics in the extreme...same rhetoric, same belief system, same manifestoes, same associations, etc., etc...only gone berserk , However, I still don't calculate why he killed his countrymen instead of moosilimbs and.this is key...this is what separated him by another step gone too far.  You can read more here:
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http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/08/americas-breivik-complex-how-state-terror-electrifies-the-islamophobic-right/
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TM7,

A few points for you to consider for the next Pro-Islamic dissertation:

Islamic terrorists seized the cruise ship Achille Lauro, and killed a Jew in a wheelchair;
Islamic terrorists brought down a jetliner in Lockerbie, Scotland, killing all persons on board;
Islamic terrorists detonated a bomb under the UN in 1993;
Islamic terrorists destroyed two American embassies in 1998;
Islamic terrorists attacked the USS Cole;
Islamic terrorists hijacked a flew four jetliners in the WTC towers, the Pentagon, and a field in rural Pennsylvania.
Total death toll from these attacks is over 4000 souls.


On GBO, we have reported a documented history of over 18,000 attacks by Islamic terrorists.   Non-Islamic motivated attacks reported here has a total of 2.       

As for the libber media, we have proven the bias.   There is no belief once evidence is offered.   After proof via evidence, it is fact.   Libs don't like conservatives pointing out the left's bias.   It is very much like turning the lights on and seeing the cockroaches run under the countertops.

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Hey; sometime TM gets it right !  ;)   ;D   ;D 
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a..... anybody not agreeing with them is a libber,,,all libbers are commies and immoral
b.....media is libber dominated
c......the US is in a doomsday spiral due to socialists
d.....hatred of governmnet, except when it comes to perpetual wars
e......religious rivalry and islamo-xenophobia world clash
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  At least partially, anyway.... 
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From what I've seen EQ made no racist remarks or said anything wrong.
ST. 18,000+ to 2?? To rational folks they would see a pattern there. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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this was a really funny thread, until a liberal showed up and proved that they have no sense of humor.
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This shall apply to Christians, Muslims, Jews, Catholics (never quite sure whether to include them with the Christians) Atheists, Agnostics, Later Day Saints (see Catholic?), Alcoholics, Diabetics, Chronic Masturbators, Vegans,  and in an effort not to offend anyone living or dead Hittites, Hittites shall not be immune to prosecution for murder while under the influence of crazy. Oh to be the king.
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We  Catholics ARE Christians. Anyone who thinks differently is totally wrong.

I am the point where I am just starting to ignore most of the racist racial and religious bigotry comments that get posted.
Whatever happened to the ignore button we use to be able to activate on this board anyhow.


Well scooter bud did I forget some particular race ? I'll be honest if you were not offended by my comments it was purely unintentional. The point, if you chose to take it, is your race does not matter a whit. The Cathol;ic / Christian was humor. Lord a mighty if I'm not mistaken Catholics begot the rest of the "Christians" ie., Protestants. I might suggest you do some skin building exercises, life can get tough out here in the rest of the world. If you find yourself offended by my posts I recommend you do ignore me, as I am liable to say something on occasion that will cause old women,children and those with there undies too tight to blush.


I shall ask you, Oh Patron Saint of the Easily Offended. Where do the LDS folks come in on the Christian scale?
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Well scooter bud did I forget some particular race ? I'll be honest if you were not offended by my comments it was purely unintentional. The point, if you chose to take it, is your race does not matter a whit. The Cathol;ic / Christian was humor. Lord a mighty if I'm not mistaken Catholics begot the rest of the "Christians" ie., Protestants. I might suggest you do some skin building exercises, life can get tough out here in the rest of the world. If you find yourself offended by my posts I recommend you do ignore me.......

Not your fault , it was entirely mine , I readily admit I may have misunderstood the context and  I was a bit oversensitive the other day. I had just come from a funeral where we buried a good friend of mines wife. She attended a non denominational church and was a wonderful lady.  It appears some use church and religion as wedge issues where someone always has to be right so they can point fingers that all others are wrong.  I am just so sick and tired of religion and church dividing instead of uniting Christians.

There are many paths through the woods with everyone trying to arrive at the same destination. I think Jesus cries every time one religion or church alienates or denigrates another.  I do not believe that was his christian beliefs, teachings, or intention.

"upon this rock I will build my church"
I believe You're supposed to build your life on a solid foundation of Jesus.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life".

If you believe in Jesus , and try to live a good christian life nothing else should matter irregardless of church and religious affiliations.


Sorry if I was hypersensitive , it was just a bad day all 'round

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We're all good here too. A keyboard is a nice place to vent the frustrations of life.


 Even negative feedback is good in that you know someone out there is listening. ;)
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We're all good here too. A keyboard is a nice place to vent the frustrations of life.


 Even negative feedback is good in that you know someone out there is listening. ;)
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     Right EQ;
   I still view all on GBO as friends, even though we all get to "vent" now and then.  A bit of venting is better than holding it in... and becoming a nervous wreck.
    Here on the political forum, we sometimes get tough with each other...then when we meet on the other forums we are really helpful to each other..  great to "compartmentalize" also..
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Everything TM listed is ok except, I don't believe we should be in perpetual wars either.  Iraq probably could have been bombed and kept in submission without invasion.  Special forces can take out the heads of terror organizations without sending in an army. 
 
I for one believe we should exploit all our resources to keep from importing oil.  Half our trade deficit is in imported oil.  We need to work on the best and cheapest alternatives and get them going.  Then we can deal with the deficits with China.  Lowering manufacturers corporate tax would get some manufacturers back and keep Americans working. 
 
Exploiting all sources of energy that can be domestically produced could yeild as many as 7 million new jobs.  Then we wouldn't have to deal with the Middle East, Venesuela, and could deal more strongly with China.
 
Examples:
 
Compressed natural gas vehicles
Natural gas fuel cells
Synthetic oil for diesel from coal
Algae oil
Thorium nuclear power plants (less and safer waste, cannot make bombs from thorium)
 
All the above can be done or started now.  The faster the better.