Author Topic: Which combo combination is the most versitile in NA (Read 5555 times)

dougk · « **on:** April 22, 2012, 03:50:16 PM »

I am wondering which combination gun in your opinion, is the most verisitile for all around hunting in north america. Is it the 12/222, 410/22, 16/7x57r, 20/30-30, 12/30-06, 16x7x65r, 12x9.3x74r or another combination?

thanks

Doug

woodchukhntr · « **Reply #1 on:** April 23, 2012, 03:29:19 AM »

The 12/.30-06 is the most versatile, especially if you reload. You can take literally any game in NA with it. I'm not saying that you should hunt grizzleys with it, but you could. The ammo is available everywhere unlike the European calibers. Second in my opinion is the .30-30/20.

Savage_99 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 23, 2012, 03:45:05 AM »

I would grab whatever I could get! A decent combo is not easy to find. If the price is right then buy it.

However its true for me that my Sauer 8-57 X16X16 is versatile it's too nice to take out in the rain. It's wet and foggy today. No way that I would take it and get it wet.

Now if I had an old Stevens combo?

So many guns!

45-70.gov · « **Reply #3 on:** April 23, 2012, 03:45:39 AM »

12 ga for sure....

30-06 probly better than the 308 i would get.....i alreadty shoot and load for several 308s
i regret a good deal on a backal i passed on a while back

or any other rifle you may prefer as long as you have the big 12ga to back it up

12 X 223 if you one of those that want to pack 100 where ever you go...or a varmenter

Drilling Man · « **Reply #4 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:46:01 AM »

Quote from: Savage_99 on April 23, 2012, 03:45:05 AM

However its true for me that my Sauer 8-57 X16X16 is versatile it's too nice to take out in the rain. It's wet and foggy today. No way that I would take it and get it wet. So many guns!

Why? My 16-16 8x57 has been on so many hunts i can't even count them all. I've had it on hunts in the temporate rain forest, to the interior of Alaska, sometimes for weeks at a time out in a tent. It's been in below zero hunts, to rain for days at a time and it has worked perfectly on every hunt! Canoeing for moose and caribou, shooting or fishing for my supper, seems to be the perfect gun for the trips i take, weather be damned!

I've just kept it wiped off with a rag that's oily with Break Free and it has no rust spots on it to this day... Drillings were made to use, and mine gets used for one thing or another all the time.

DM

dougk · « **Reply #5 on:** April 23, 2012, 03:32:05 PM »

Quote from: Drilling Man on April 23, 2012, 08:46:01 AM

Drillings were made to use, and mine gets used for one thing or another all the time.

DM

Hey Drilingman

what exactly do you use your drilling for?

$:-\$

Mike A. · « **Reply #6 on:** April 23, 2012, 06:55:07 PM »

For a real all around gun I'd look for a Valmet 12x.243, since I consider varmint hunting a big part of hunting. Any heavy rifle caliber available isn't going to be a very good varmint gun, but a .243 can handle most big game and all varmints. If hunting really big game like elk was a big part of your hunting, then a 12x.30-06 or .308 would be more versatile. You can always get a .22 Hornet insert barrel.....

Drilling Man · « **Reply #7 on:** April 24, 2012, 02:37:44 AM »

Quote from: dougk on April 23, 2012, 03:32:05 PM

Quote from: Drilling Man on April 23, 2012, 08:46:01 AM

Drillings were made to use, and mine gets used for one thing or another all the time.

DM

Hey Drilingman

what exactly do you use your drilling for? $:-\$

Heck, i don't know..... i made all that other stuff up.

DM

dougk · « **Reply #8 on:** April 24, 2012, 12:27:29 PM »

Just like you have been using photoshop on all the pictures.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #9 on:** April 24, 2012, 01:11:17 PM »

What gave me away??? Was it that pict. of that "two headed" buck i posted a pict. of???

DM

dougk · « **Reply #10 on:** April 24, 2012, 02:05:19 PM »

It was the picture of the hog body with the moose head that you took with the Daisey Red Rider BB gun....

Drilling Man · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2012, 02:38:44 AM »

Quote from: dougk on April 24, 2012, 02:05:19 PM

It was the picture of the hog body with the moose head that you took with the Daisey Red Rider BB gun....

Just don't try that at home!!! I've got the springs stretched waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out on my Daisy!!!

That "mog" sure made for some good sausage and burgers!!

DM

dougk · « **Reply #12 on:** April 25, 2012, 02:28:22 PM »

Quote from: Drilling Man on April 25, 2012, 02:38:44 AM

Quote from: dougk on April 24, 2012, 02:05:19 PM
It was the picture of the hog body with the moose head that you took with the Daisey Red Rider BB gun....

Just don't try that at home!!! I've got the springs stretched waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out on my Daisy!!!

That "mog" sure made for some good sausage and burgers!!

DM

That is your best one....

pastorp · « **Reply #13 on:** May 07, 2012, 01:54:30 AM »

For some reason I just don't care much for the 12 ga. Too bulky for my tastes, give me a 16 or 20 anyday and a 30 caliber rifle barrel. or a 7mm rifle either one would work just fine.

Regards,

Drilling Man · « **Reply #14 on:** May 07, 2012, 02:30:11 AM »

I'm with you pastorp,

I like them light and handy and that pretty much leaves out the 12ga...

As for the rifle bbl., a 7x65R would help lower the recoil in that "light & handy", and still have enough power for all but the big bears. It would shoot plenty flat to reach out as far as anyone "should" be shooting at big game and still have enough bullet weight and velocity to get the job done.

DM

pastorp · « **Reply #15 on:** May 07, 2012, 02:52:14 AM »

I believe my big bear hunting days are over...

A friend is in seymour canal, on the west side of Admiralty island waiting for the hearing fishery to open. He called a couple days ago & wanted me to fly in for a few days of brown bear hunting. Truth is I'm just not up to negotating rough country anymore..

I believe even a 243 would be enough for my hunting anymore...

Wouldn't ya know it I've got my free senior hunting, fishing, & trapping, lifetime Alaska lisence, And now don't have good enough health to use it.

Regards,

BCB · « **Reply #16 on:** October 26, 2012, 12:20:08 PM »

Guess this sort of might be the thread to ask the question. I'll try it here first and then maybe go to a different forum:

Who still makes a 222/12 or a 223/12 or something similar?...

I want the 22 caliber for sure and would prefer the 12 gauge rather than a 16 or 20 gauge...

I have a friend that has the 222/20 gauge and the 222 is an M.O.A. shooter with Vmax bullets...

Any help?...

Thanks...BCB

45-70.gov · « **Reply #17 on:** October 26, 2012, 12:54:13 PM »

http://www.gunsamerica.com/945908330/Baikal_MP94_223_12_Over_Under_Combo_Gun.htm

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_229/products_id/60296

5 of these new....... cost less than a cheap used drilling

i passed on one in 308 for $350.....my mistake

i have a baikal SXS 12.....nice gun for the money

BCB · « **Reply #18 on:** October 26, 2012, 01:06:26 PM »

45-70.gov

Thanks for the reply...

My friend has a Model 24V (I think) and the 222 is over the 20 gauge as I remember it--I might be wrong--haven't seen the rifle/shotgun in awhile...

Are there other manufactures that have the rifle caliber over the shotgun?...

Or am I just imagining this?...

BCB

45-70.gov · « **Reply #19 on:** October 26, 2012, 01:10:18 PM »

none at this price

you will owe me $500 if you make me go back on buds
and i end up with the 12/308

i would want the 12 for sure...i want the shot gun for power AND versatility

dougk · « **Reply #20 on:** October 26, 2012, 03:43:25 PM »

Hey 45-70

I had the Baikal IZH-94 which was a very well regulated combo. The Remington from the same factory was poorly regulated, the rifle windage was of by 6 inches in relation to the shotgun. If you buy one of combos you might want to have them use a bore sight in the rifle and shotgun to determine how the barrels are regulated.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #21 on:** October 26, 2012, 06:00:57 PM »

A drilling is a meat gun.
I think if I were to go walking through the woods with one, it would be a 12X12 / 30-06.
The 12 ga can be loaded with everything from 9 shot to buck and it is hard to beat a 30-06 for big game.
They even make adapters that will shoot 32 acp out of a 30-06.
But a load of 7.5 and a load of 6's or 4's over a 180 grain soft point would take care of all most everything I could come across on the farm.
7.5's for quail, rabbits, squirrels, wood cocks, and dove the 6's or 4's are for longer shots or raccoons, opossum, coyote, bob cat. and the rifle can add to taking deer, black bear, coyote, bobcat.
If hogs are on the list, traditional loadings of buck, slug and rifle for driven pigs.
The buck for running pigs past the blind, the slug for self protection, and the rifle for longer shots.

dougk · « **Reply #22 on:** October 27, 2012, 03:50:43 AM »

Hey McWoodduck

you broke the code on the drilling.

Most drilligs where made with metric rounds 7x57R, 8x57JR, 8x57JRS and 9.3x74R and 16 ga shotgun barrels. Colt did work with JP Sauer to make a 12x12/.30-06 and 12x12/.243 drilling.

Doug

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #23 on:** October 27, 2012, 09:41:42 AM »

Quote from: dougk on October 27, 2012, 03:50:43 AM

Hey McWoodduck

you broke the code on the drilling.

Most drilligs where made with metric rounds 7x57R, 8x57JR, 8x57JRS and 9.3x74R and 16 ga shotgun barrels. Colt did work with JP Sauer to make a 12x12/.30-06 and 12x12/.243 drilling.

Doug

But Merkel makes them with 30-06 and either 12 or 20 ga.
Heck you can get a double rifle drilling from them. 30-06 X30-06 / 20 ga. And they sell different barrel combos to meet your needs, think a Contender is a bad habbit of collecting barrels, think of all the combos you can pick with three barrels together.
I think in the life time of the Drilling it would be cheaper to buy a new one in American calibers and either 12 or 20 would end up costing less to shoot and may justify the added expense to go with a new one.
go to the website and drool.
I find the cheapest way is to carry a side by side or over / under shotgun around the farm with one side buck/ slug the other side bird shot (poor mans Cape gun) and carry a 22 pistol for sitting under a tree and picking off tree rats.
making sure I see nothing.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #24 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:02:12 PM »

Krieghoff will build you an 30-06 drilling too, and they are very accurate.

I don't see the problem with a rimmed metric cartridge, as i reload them for the same cost as an american round reload. I'm still useing the same brass i bought in the early 80's, and it's still working fine too!

Rimmed cartridges just work so much nicer in a break open gun!

DM

dougk · « **Reply #25 on:** October 27, 2012, 03:46:17 PM »

mcwoodduck

I use to think the same thing and rimmed cartridges were something I stayed away from. But I found the price of production rimmed cartridges to be comparable to the popular US rifle cartridges. For example, a 20 round box of 8x57JR cost $21 at cheaper than dirt. Then I got into drillings with a 16x16/7x57R.

I have found no issue with 30-06 in a combo gun. I can see DM's point about rimmed cartridges in drillings.

For on the farm I have gravitated to the .22 Mag in both rifle and pistol for smaller game management.

Doug

BUGEYE · « **Reply #26 on:** October 27, 2012, 04:21:02 PM »

At one time I had a 24V 30-30/20ga. I used a lee loader to load for it and a nef 30-30.
if I lived in an area where I made my living in the woods I'd choose the 24V. I loaded a hard cast 190 gr flatpoint which was accurate and I wouldn't hesitate to take a moose at close range.
the 20ga barrel was cylinder bore, but the newer heavy-shot etc. would make it a very versatile gun.

BCB · « **Reply #27 on:** October 28, 2012, 01:00:12 AM »

I wonder how difficult it might be to find a 24V...

That is without purchasing it from the Net...

Were they pretty popular and bunches of them manufactured?...

BCB

BUGEYE · « **Reply #28 on:** October 28, 2012, 01:21:42 AM »

Quote from: BCB on October 28, 2012, 01:00:12 AM

I wonder how difficult it might be to find a 24V...

That is without purchasing it from the Net...

Were they pretty popular and bunches of them manufactured?...

BCB

the one I bought in the 80s was the last one I have seen in a gunstore. I kick myself for getting rid of mine..

BCB · « **Reply #29 on:** October 28, 2012, 01:39:40 AM »

"the one I bought in the 80s was the last one I have seen in a gunstore. I kick myself for getting rid of mine.."

Well, that doesn't sound encouraging!!!...