I have to say, I agree with both of you... Case doesn't make the wide variety of working man's knives that they used to. All of their stockmans, trappers, muskrats, etc., that were invented by the working man, have now been made into, high polish, decorated, pretty "collector knives" and serve no practical purpose whatsoever. They are made out of shiney surgical steel, the springs are crap, the handle material is made to be pretty, rather than durable, and I am thoroughly disappointed... However, Case still makes at least one well-made, affordable, practical working man's knife, and that's the carbon steel Sodbuster, the only Case knife I would ever reccommend to anyone who might actually consider using it...