Help Gov. Scott Walker fight re-call.....

[ironglow]

  Looks like somebody has been lying:
  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/09/one-million-recall-signatures-and-only-650k-votes
 
   ..Or are they just "honesty challenged" ?

[Casull]

this seems to be alittle illegal, or quazi-legal....but I'm wondering what so-called conservatives call it...? 

 
 
Well, I did not watch the video (sound not working on my computer), but if the written exchange is accurate, I'd call it a simple conversation between the governor and a constituent.  I guess I missed the receipt of 500k in exchange for a promise or anything for that matter.  So, I guess I would call it jumping to conclusions, at best, and possibly libelous.

[Alaska Dave]

Well, its looking like Scottie was promised (took) a whole bundle of money, like 500k, and promised to smash up unions for a billionaire contributor employing a 'divide and conquer' strategy..on video no less...this seems to be alittle illegal, or quazi-legal....but I'm wondering what so-called conservatives call it...?  good business?.
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In the video, Walker is shown meeting with Beloit billionaire Diane Hendricks before an economic development session at a the headquarters of a firm Hendricks owns, ABC Supply Inc., in Beloit.
After Walker kisses Henricks, she asks: “Any chance we'll ever get to be a completely red state and work on these unions?”
“Oh, yeah!” says Walker.
Henricks then asks: “And become a right-to-work [state]?”
Walker replies: “Well, we're going to start in a couple weeks with our budget adjustment bill. The first step is we're going to deal with collective bargaining for all public employee unions, because you use divide and conquer.… That opens the door once we do that.”
 
More on the breaking story here:
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http://www.thenation.com/blog/167840/scott-walker-promised-500k-donor-he-would-divide-and-conquer-unions
 
 
mmmmm, I need to follow this one........ .....TM7
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I worked out of libertyville Il for about 5 years 24 years ago and ABC was our roofing supplier. They even offered me $1.00 more an hour if I went with them. The company I was with paid for my first son so it was a no brainer. Always was treated good when we share larger jobs. I still think ABC is an outstanding company as I still have friends working for them. Does every company have to be Union to make decent wages, hell NO.

[Buckskin]

Dave,,,don't know...24 years ago is a long time....things change . Gaining wealth and influence over time, like Hendricks, implies making certain political choices... All I know is the rumor was that Scottie was 'owned' by a few elite 'powers that be' working under the guize of helping make Wisconsinites solvent and that economy fertile again...This $$ allegation, if substantiated, would seem to indicate that he (Scot) is employed by a few Oligarchs running the show, as he was charged. Anyway, this is nothing new in the USA.  What is new is that common citizens, having been disjointed and torn apart-divided, and that there is a large group that gives a pass and identifies with 'money politics' like this...even defends it.
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..TM7

Ha, everyone wants to influence government, so what... What on do you think the unions were doing when they were paying or Falk's campaign... The only difference is that Walker works for the taxpayers, which is quite refreshing.  Wisconsin is projected to have a $160,000,000+ surplus with Walker's fixes.  Barrett used Walker's tools to save Milwaukee $26,000,000 this year!  Public union whiner's have better get used to paying their fair share and stop acting like a protected class because Walker isn't going anywhere...
 
Walker isn't going to go after private unions in this state, they really aren't that strong here anyway.  Milwaukee is the only part of the state that has major private union influence and look how that is working out... 10.8% unemployment, thanks Barrett!!!

[scootrd]

The only difference is that Walker works for the taxpayers, which is quite refreshing. Wisconsin is projected to have a $160,000,000+ surplus with Walker's fixes. 

BS
He doesn't work for taxpayers he works for koch brothers and the like , corporate shills, and superpac influences.

Again BS
He is deceiving using faulty accounting rules and practices  ..already previously posted. The nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau estimated the state would finish with a $143 million deficit in 2013.


There are, essentially, two accepted methods of accounting. There is the “cash method”— the one utilized by the Wisconsin legislature and Gov. Walker in creating their balanced budget—which accounts for how much money is in the bank at the end of the fiscal year after bills have been paid. If there remains cash in the bank account, then there is no deficit.
Of course, this approach does not take into account the reality that upcoming obligations are not only going to wipe out that cash, but create a deficit when those obligations exceed what is in the bank. As a result, cash accounting rarely presents a true picture of an organization’s finances—which is precisely why every public company in America, along with most city and country units of government, are required to use the GAAP method.
GAAP (the acronym for Generally Accepted Accounting Practices) accounting takes into consideration the money expected to come in and the money committed to going out in order to work out where an organization actually stands.
If you employ the cash method being utilized by Governor Walker, were you to have $100 in the bank at the end of the year, after all the invoices that came in during December have been paid, you can credibly claim that you have no deficit. Never mind that you know full well that a credit card bill is coming in January for the $5,000 you spent Christmas shopping during the month of December and that there won’t be anywhere near enough cash in your bank account to pay that bill when it arrives. That is what we call a deficit. If you are using GAAP, you are required to account for that $5,000 obligation in the month you rack up the obligation. Thus, what is a $100 surplus if you are using cash accounting becomes a $4900 deficit if you are using the more precise GAAP accounting.
What Walker is doing here is using the cash method of accounting to form the basis of his claims as stated in his advertisement while using GAAP accounting when making his claim to the Feds.
That’s a no-no in anybody’s version of the real world—or should I say anybody but Scott Walker. While the rest of us are required to live and die by the accounting method we choose, Governor Walker, apparently, doesn’t believe that this applies to him because …well, because Governor Walker is ‘special’. He is, after all, on a first name basis with the Koch Brothers.

[scootrd]

It seems that while Governor Walker now chooses to use cash basis accounting rather than a more honest representation of the state’s finances—at least when reporting his results to the people of Wisconsin—Candidate Walker saw it very differently. In fact, in 2010, Walker vigorously campaigned on the importance of ridding the state of this distorted method of accounting, going so far as to state on his  campaign website that he would  “Require the use of generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) to balance every state budget, just as we require every local government and school district to do.”
How quickly he forgets—except when it serves his purposes to suddenly convert to GAAP when he wants something from the federal government.

[Cuts Crooked]

Well, unions  are comprised of alot of people who are taxpayers, too.  Hendricks is just one influential person...with deep pockets.  This is another example of People United gone wild.......I'm all for campaign reform to include unions as well, but Wisconsin seems to be going in the opposite direction.....into a divide and conquer Oligarchy  I'd like to see if this story has any meat to it, because it might blwoup in Scottie's face.
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..TM7

Hmmm? Again.....percentages?What percentage of Wisconsons taxpayers are Public Sector Union members?

Looks like the tail wagging the dog again, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.......

[jimster]

If the public sector belongs to the unions, that's enough to break the backs of tax payers right there. All the public sector is attached to the unions here, and there ain't nobody left to pay all those bennies and pensions....something has to give at some point.  Percentage?  LOL...who knows...we know the percentage of private sector trying to hold it up is smaller in this state.  Basically where it starts to bleed the most is paying lots of people pensions so they don't have to work and trying to pay the public employees that are working as well.  You need a pretty big thriving private sector to hold all that up, and we don't have that in the formula anymore.  I used to think any private business that had unions was OK by me, no skin off my back, can't even say that anymore...we are holding up the car companies as well, forced into it....I don't work there either. 
Maybe if the public employees would include me in their negotiations with their unions it would be more fair...since I am the payee...but as an individual I pretty much lost that liberty...they have meetings without me to decide how much more I'll pay.  Kind of odd don't you think? 
Michigan has begun laying off public employees...it happens automatically at some point, about 10 years after blowing budgets out of the water.  A little late...but it always happens at some point.  Same thing will happen in Wisconsin...at some point it shuts down no matter what side your on.  If nobody has the brains to stop spending what you never had. 
No matter what side your on...if there is no budget and you keep spending what you don't have, it will end anyway...pro union or not, dem or rep, or other, none of it matters in the end.  And me...I get to say "told ya"...at some point...which ain't worth squat either. 

[Alaska Dave]

Don't know...I'm guessing about 10% of Wisconsin's public and private labor or work force belong to unions--way down from a 20 years ago, but Walkeristas would have you believe alot more, 30-40% who knows what they want you to believe...except that a) unionized workers are the enemy, b) they are rsponsible for ruining the state's economy, budget, and high taxes, and c) all union members are thugs.

If you don't know then try to find out. Union workers didn't ruin the states economy, budget or cause higher taxes. It was a dummycrapper Govenor called Doyle who helped all that along during his reign of terror 

[Cuts Crooked]

Uh, folks do have short memories!

Public Sector Unions = People who works for the government. NOT Union members in general!
Walkers efforts did not have anything to do with those who work in the private sector!

....so, what's that percentage again?

[scootrd]

Oops just got busted lying to congress,

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker has long denied that he has a secret strategy to destroy public-sector unions as part of a long-term plan to make Wisconsin a right to work state where unions are dramatically weakened. A remarkable videotape of the governor describing just such as a strategy has surfaced. In it, Walker is seen promising a billionaire campaign doner  that the attack on collective-bargaining rights for public-sector unions—which sparked demonstrations and the movement that has forced the recall election—was only “the first step” in a grand plan.

The videotape, shot on January 18, 2011, just days after Walker was sworn in as Wisconsin's Republican governor and several weeks before he proposed to use a “budget repair” bill to gut union rights, was released Thursday by the documentary filmmaker who filmed it.

In the video, Walker is shown meeting with Beloit billionaire Diane Hendricks before an economic development session at a the headquarters of a firm Hendricks owns, ABC Supply Inc., in Beloit. After Walker kisses Henricks,  she asks: “Any chance we'll ever get to be a completely red state and work on these unions?”

“Oh, yeah!” says Walker.

Henricks then asks: “And become a right to work state?”

Walker replies: “Well, we're going to start in a couple weeks with our budget adjustment bill. The first step is we're going to deal with collective bargaining for all public employee unions, because you use divide and conquer.… That opens the door once we do that.” Walker has always denied that he attacked public-sector unions to achieve a political end. He has also denied that he would seek to enact the sort of “right to work” legislation that has been used in southern states to prevent unionization in the private sector. When congress asked Walker if he ever had this kind of conversation he said no under sworn oath testimony.  stating collective bargaining is important in private sector and private sector unions are his partner.

"Divide and conquer!"  Koch puppet boy!!! billionaire doners pullin your strings. yesh it's all about just balancing a budget. What a liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2O5FfybemhM#!

[Casull]

Require the use of generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) to balance every state budget, just as we require every local government and school district to do.”

 
 
 
Scootrd, I think you are confusing GAAP with "accrual basis" accounting.  Both cash basis accounting and accrual basis accounting fall within generally accepted accounting principles.  They are BOTH legimate means of accounting.

[Chainsaw]

This is all one should need to know on which candidate to vote for, especially a participant on a site like this that is all about guns. I suppose those here voting for/backing Barrett can just put their hands over their ears and sing out LALALALALALALALALALA so logic does not interfere with their emotion when they enter the voting booth.
 
This from the first Walker/Barrett contest. Pretty Straightforward if you ask me.
 
For governor, in a nod that was hardly surprising, the NRA has endorsed Republican Scott Walker, the Milwaukee County executive, over Democrat Tom Barrett, the mayor of Milwaukee.

The group gave Walker an 'A' rating, a grade he received throughout his decade-long stint in the state Assembly.

According to the NRA, Walker was a strong supporter of the amendment to the Wisconsin constitution guaranteeing the individual right to keep and bear arms; he supported statewide pre-emption of firearms laws to protect all Wisconsinites equally; and he voted for the amendment to the state constitution to protect the right to hunt and fish.

The group also emphasized Walker's support of right-to-carry, and his promise to sign a 'shall issue' law if passed by the Legislature. In addition, the NRA says Walker has strongly supported sportsmen and opposed the "radical environmental regulations enacted by the DNR."

The organization gave Barrett a 'F' rating, which the NRA gives to a candidate it perceives to be a "true enemy of gun owners' rights," and who always "opposes gun owners' rights and/or actively leads anti-gun legislative efforts, or sponsors anti-gun legislation."

Barrett has earned that label by not supporting such measures as a concealed carry law. Wisconsin is one of two states that has not legalized some form of concealed carry. Barrett has repeatedly said he supports Second Amendment rights, but believes concealed carry is a public safety issue, not a constitutional one.

More recently, the mayor has not ruled out signing a concealed carry law but says his decision would depend on the limits placed on the right to conceal carry, as well as whether law enforcement supports the measure, according to various media reports.

Barrett has also earned the enmity of the NRA by belonging to New York mayor Michael Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a group that pushes for stricter gun control laws. Bloomberg campaigned for Barrett this past summer.

For his part Barrett has countered with with endorsements from both national and state police associations. The National Association of Police Officers is backing the Democrat, as is the state's largest law enforcement union, the Wisconsin Professional Police Association.

Law enforcement is not completely united, however. In the city of Milwaukee, both the city's police and firefighters' unions are backing Walker. They backed Barrett for mayor in 2003.


 

[ironglow]

 What ..people here supporting a self-confessed "gun grabber" ?  How can this possibly be ?
     No surprise I guess..some here claim to be Christians and support the baby killers !   
    I only wonder how they reconcile these things in their mind...and heart..

[tobster]

Is it possible that Walker is trying to keep Wisconsin from ending up in the financial condition of California? Conservative or liberal, I bet we can all agree it's just a matter of time till California will ask for some sort of bailout from the federal government.

[ironglow]

Is it possible that Walker is trying to keep Wisconsin from ending up in the financial condition of California? Conservative or liberal, I bet we can all agree it's just a matter of time till California will ask for some sort of bailout from the federal government.

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  No reason the rest of us should pay for California wanting to coddle criminals, pay the eucation & medical toll for illegals etc.

[Cuts Crooked]

Dave...not me that needs to know....Cuts can look it up the stat himself.  I figure the total unionized % of the total work force is ard 10%, in Wisconsin and nationally,way down from years ago. 

...TM7

Always amazing that you will demand a link to proof again and again, but when someone asks YOU, you duck!

Tell you what, I'm just guessing here, but I  suspect that total number of government union employees actually affected by Walkers "union busting" amounts to less than 1% of the states population.

Again, I'm willing to be proven wrong, but I'm sure that the stats are in the dog wagging area. The only way it can be otherwise is if y'all try to include ALL union members, public and private sector, which folks here keep trying to do, in the figures. And the legislation involved DOES NOT include the private sector! So try keeping it on the real subject matter affected!

[scootrd]

Require the use of generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) to balance every state budget, just as we require every local government and school district to do.”

 
 
 
Scootrd, I think you are confusing GAAP with "accrual basis" accounting.  Both cash basis accounting and accrual basis accounting fall within generally accepted accounting principles.  They are BOTH legimate means of accounting.

No confusing on my end , but rather than digress within this thread  -  the point is , you cannot use one set of accounting rules for state reporting and then turn around and use an entirely different method when reporting to Fed.  -  This is a no no. and Walker know it. In state he uses cash balance  -  so this shows Wisconsinites he is eliminating deficit , when in reality when reporting to Fed he must employ more accurate GAAP rules of accounting and that shows a deficit. and the most interesting part is Candidate Walker ran on a platform to eliminate just theses types of practices he now employs.

[Casull]

No confusing on my end

 
 
Really?  I think you are mistaken.

[scootrd]

No confusing on my end

 
 
Really?  I think you are mistaken.

Well then your just flat out  wrong ... sorry no other way to express it.

It seems that while Governor Walker now chooses to use cash basis accounting rather than a more honest representation of the state’s finances—at least when reporting his results to the people of Wisconsin—Candidate Walker saw it very differently. In fact, in 2010, Walker vigorously campaigned on the importance of ridding the state of this distorted method of accounting.
The good news is that Governor’s Walker’s spokesman, Cullen Werwie, doesn’t see a big deal here.

That’s good enough for me. I mean, it’s not like this is the Cullen Werwie who required a grant of immunity from prosecution before he would cooperate with prosecutors in the John Doe investigation into illegal electioneering that threatens to bring down the Walker Administration before we even get to the recall vote.
Oh wait….it seems that the governor’s chief spokesman is the very same Cullen Werwie who required a grant of immunity to avoid prosecution.

[Casull]

Well then your just flat out  wrong ... sorry no other way to express it.

 
 
Well, you just can't see reality.  I wasn't arguing with your OPINION about Walker, just your confusion about what you were talking about.  Cash basis accounting is NOT a "distorted" method of accounting, and it DOES conform to GAAP.  Accrual basis accounting also conforms to GAAP, but it is NOT GAAP, just one means of meeting GAAP.  Now, is that any more clear, or do you want to just insult?

[Cuts Crooked]

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Immaterial, I don't remeber asking for proof on anything here...YOU DID
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Nice try at deflection.

[Buckskin]

I drive from Mukwonago to Madison (about 65 miles) 3x per week and over the last 4 months have been monitoring the signage.  At the beginning when I started counting there were 6 signs for recalling walker and about 10 Pro Walker. I thought that was pretty good since the recall wasn't official yet.  Over the last 4 months it gradually grew in favor of Walker and now there are 54 Pro Walker (8 of them one of a kind hand painted) and 3 anti-Walker (3 came down) there has never been any Falk or Barrett signs.  This drive is through the heart of Scott Fitzgerald country and I would say it's about 60-40 in favor of Fitz vs Compas.  Now I will concede it's mostly rural with 6 towns 3 of decent size and industry.  I see about 60/40 in Madison anti-Walker, which is suprising, since Madison is a cesspool of liberalism and hate.  I realize this is not a scientific poll, but it does show the passion on the Walker side and shows the lack of it for the liberals.  My guess is that Walker will win by 10%, but we still need to stay focused!

[ironglow]

I drive from Mukwonago to Madison (about 65 miles) 3x per week and over the last 4 months have been monitoring the signage.  At the beginning when I started counting there were 6 signs for recalling walker and about 10 Pro Walker. I thought that was pretty good since the recall wasn't official yet.  Over the last 4 months it gradually grew in favor of Walker and now there are 54 Pro Walker (8 of them one of a kind hand painted) and 3 anti-Walker (3 came down) there has never been any Falk or Barrett signs.  This drive is through the heart of Scott Fitzgerald country and I would say it's about 60-40 in favor of Fitz vs Compas.  Now I will concede it's mostly rural with 6 towns 3 of decent size and industry.  I see about 60/40 in Madison anti-Walker, which is suprising, since Madison is a cesspool of liberalism and hate.  I realize this is not a scientific poll, but it does show the passion on the Walker side and shows the lack of it for the liberals.  My guess is that Walker will win by 10%, but we still need to stay focused!

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  Let's hope it goes that way !  If he posts a sizeable win, perhaps he can do even more good work !

[Alaska Dave]

Buckskin, when things are slow I drive gravel truck. Where we get fuel in Hales Corners the station had a Barret sign. I asked the owners of the place if he was backing Barrett and he said heck no. I asked about the sign in the front yard. At the end of the day I pulled in with 3 other trucks to fuel up and he had 5 Walkert signs. He told me the gal that works part time ok'd the Barret signs. I think i'll not be seeing much of her around there 

[SwampThing762]

One Million Recall Signatures and Only 650k Votes?

The numbers don’t lie, do they? That all depends, I guess, on which numbers you mean.
After a year of protesting and fighting to recall Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, an interesting number peered its way into the public yesterday—the primary vote tally. The total number of votes cast in the Democratic Party primary for Governor was only 650,725.
Why is this number so interesting?
Well, because we have all heard for months now how many furious Wisconsinites there are in the dairy state. And, of course, how they accounted for over one million signatures to recall Governor Walker. Over one million! That’s right, over one million Wisconsinites supposedly signed the petitions, but only 650,725 showed up to vote. That’s about 40% fewer voters than signers. How likely is that?


ST762

[nomosendero]

One Million Recall Signatures and Only 650k Votes?

The numbers don’t lie, do they? That all depends, I guess, on which numbers you mean.
After a year of protesting and fighting to recall Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, an interesting number peered its way into the public yesterday—the primary vote tally. The total number of votes cast in the Democratic Party primary for Governor was only 650,725.
Why is this number so interesting?
Well, because we have all heard for months now how many furious Wisconsinites there are in the dairy state. And, of course, how they accounted for over one million signatures to recall Governor Walker. Over one million! That’s right, over one million Wisconsinites supposedly signed the petitions, but only 650,725 showed up to vote. That’s about 40% fewer voters than signers. How likely is that?


ST762

I guess alot of Dead people signed, hopefully they won't get back up for the faceoff.

[SwampThing762]

One Million Recall Signatures and Only 650k Votes?

The numbers don’t lie, do they? That all depends, I guess, on which numbers you mean.
After a year of protesting and fighting to recall Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, an interesting number peered its way into the public yesterday—the primary vote tally. The total number of votes cast in the Democratic Party primary for Governor was only 650,725.
Why is this number so interesting?
Well, because we have all heard for months now how many furious Wisconsinites there are in the dairy state. And, of course, how they accounted for over one million signatures to recall Governor Walker. Over one million! That’s right, over one million Wisconsinites supposedly signed the petitions, but only 650,725 showed up to vote. That’s about 40% fewer voters than signers. How likely is that?


ST762

I guess alot of Dead people signed, hopefully they won't get back up for the faceoff.

I agree.    Perhaps we should send some truckloads of stakes and holy water to Wisconsin just in case.

ST762

[ironglow]

Has somebody tried to move Chicago Democrat mob politics to Wisconsin ?  What are they trying to do..poison all those defenseless cows ?

[scootrd]

Absolutely amazing - 
First he runs on a platform to do away with BS accounting practices and adopt GAAP.
Then when it suits him he ignores his own pledge to fudge and skew his budget numbers instate ,
yet reporting just the opposite to Fed.

Now in a miracle that that rivals splitting loaves of bread to feed the masses , Miricle Boy has changed water into wine by simply deciding to ignore the system used by the Department of Labor —and every other state in the nation —to measure job growth (or loss) and elected instead to go with a different set of numbers that makes things in Wisconsin look better.

Don't like the standard Measurements  -  Just make up your own. Dork!

What a corporate puppet -  Hellofaguy.

Scott Walker Magically Turns Dismal Wisconsin Job Numbers Into A Pre-Election Miracle

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/15/scott-walker-magically-turns-dismal-wisconsin-job-numbers-into-a-pre-election-miracle/